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Old January 27th, 2022, 10:41
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Old January 27th, 2022, 11:04
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Old January 27th, 2022, 12:43
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Re: Future Overland XJ Build

Unless this is a wish list, to refer to over a period of years, imho, it's too much, too soon - or a determination to spend money for the sake of it.

e.g, what's been said about the battery (& by all accounts Optima are rubbish now) applies to the exhaust &, to an extent, wheels & tyres.

$1,000 for a roof rack - are you serious? On a vehicle that has something already in place. Suggest you wait 'til you ever find a use for it - & then if it won't serve the purpose.

I'd just drive it around for a year, doing routine maintenance as required incorporating sensible upgrades at the time, like the brakes when it needs pads. After that you will have a much better idea of what you'd like to change, as opposed to a textbook build of what, undoubtedly, would be a very nice, & capable, XJ.


On that subject, XJ brakes are not the best, especially with anything other than street tyres, & WJ ones are vastly superior; I ran one for 6 months (alongside an XJ) & the better brakes were obvious the 1st time my foot got near the pedal - on the other hand, I never noticed any difference in the steering but I can only speak as I found.
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Old January 27th, 2022, 13:59
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Re: Future Overland XJ Build

It depends on what type of wheeling/overlanding that you want to do but here are my suggestions.

My thought process in putting together this list is to get done quick and cheap so you can get out there and enjoy it while you figure out (1) if you want to continue doing it, and (2) figure eout what other upgrades you actually need or want.


-Maintenance #1. If you break down out there, the rest of the stuff is worthless.
-HAM license class (and buy a HAM radio, handheld is fine and allows you to hike out if needed)
-Stock rims to save money and 235/75 R15 tires
-ZJ Drag link
-Steel Steering box spacer
-d30 reinforcement https://www.trailforged.com/product/...forcement-kit/
-Front and rear tow points (Rear hitch works) (if you wheel alone, bumper and winch suggested)
-Recovery kit (Shackles, straps without metal ends, tree saver, gloves, etc)
-Roof Mounted Cargo box for all the lighter stuff (clothes etc), Keep the heavy stuff in the “trunk” to keep it low (Spare parts, tools, cooking stuff, food, etc)
-Junkyard S-10 bastard leaf pack to help with the sag of all the weight
-Budget boost 1”-2” spacers for up front to level the rig
-Jeepcables battery cable upgrade
-K-Suspension (or DIY) E-fan switch override
-Putco Headlight harness
-Amazon LED Trucklight lookalikes ($100)
-Raybestos Brake pads
-Gojeep gas tank mod http://gojeep.willyshotrod.com/HowtoFuelTank.htm
or ZJ Gas tank (or combo and get 25gallons) https://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1131307


If you plan to do more rocky trails, skidplates for t-case and gas tank are suggested; stock skids would even work. I would also advise sliders of some sort, JCR are a bit pricy for everything they sell.
If you do an LED Bar, don’t put it on the roof. Bumper mount is much better. Roof has a ton of wind noise on the road and it reflects off the hood and blinds you.
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Old January 27th, 2022, 18:54
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Re: Future Overland XJ Build

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It depends on what type of wheeling/overlanding that you want to do but here are my suggestions.

My thought process in putting together this list is to get done quick and cheap so you can get out there and enjoy it while you figure out (1) if you want to continue doing it, and (2) figure eout what other upgrades you actually need or want.


-Maintenance #1. If you break down out there, the rest of the stuff is worthless.
-HAM license class (and buy a HAM radio, handheld is fine and allows you to hike out if needed)
-Stock rims to save money and 235/75 R15 tires
-ZJ Drag link
-Front and rear tow points (Rear hitch works) (if you wheel alone, bumper and winch suggested)
-Recovery kit (Shackles, straps without metal ends, tree saver, gloves, etc)
-Roof Mounted Cargo box for all the lighter stuff (clothes etc), Keep the heavy stuff in the ďtrunkĒ to keep it low (Spare parts, tools, cooking stuff, food, etc)
-Junkyard S-10 bastard leaf pack to help with the sag of all the weight
-Budget boost 1Ē-2Ē spacers for up front to level the rig
-Jeepcables battery cable upgrade
-K-Suspension (or DIY) E-fan switch override
-Putco Headlight harness
-Amazon LED Trucklight lookalikes ($100)
-Raybestos Brake pads
-Gojeep gas tank mod http://gojeep.willyshotrod.com/HowtoFuelTank.htm
or ZJ Gas tank (or combo and get 25gallons) https://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1131307


If you plan to do more rocky trails, skidplates for t-case and gas tank are suggested; stock would even work. I would also advise sliders of some sort, JCR are a bit pricy for everything they sell.
If you do an LED Bar, donít put it on the roof. Bumper mount is much better. Roof has a ton of wind noise on the road and it reflects off the hood and blinds you.
There is good advice!
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Old January 28th, 2022, 10:55
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Re: Future Overland XJ Build

Thank you Anak. I did add a few more items like a steel steering box spacer and d30 reinforcement plates
I also tried to restrain myself a little on my recommendations because I usually like to overbuild and overthink everything. The majority of overlanders will be on dirt roads and not need everything that someone that will spend time on rocks will need.

A few of the extra items that I would suggest which are probably overkill are
-frame stiffeners front to back (For longevity, Yes even dirt roads will fatigue the unibody)
-Steering box brace (Ironmanfab, Boostwerks [Batches are in the works], or BadDadFab)
-2x6 sliders (More clearance than Traditional sliders)

The BadDadFab brace would even provide you with front tow points and a hidden winch mount all in one.
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99 XJ Limited, AW4, 242, Colombia Edition WJ Seats, Stock. Future 4.5" lift, TnT LA, 33s armor, 231 SYE, D30/44 4.56, rear locker, etc
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Old January 28th, 2022, 12:08
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There is good advice!
Just what I was thinking as I read through it.
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Old January 31st, 2022, 06:25
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Thank you Anak. I did add a few more items like a steel steering box spacer and d30 reinforcement plates
I also tried to restrain myself a little on my recommendations because I usually like to overbuild and overthink everything. The majority of overlanders will be on dirt roads and not need everything that someone that will spend time on rocks will need.

A few of the extra items that I would suggest which are probably overkill are
-frame stiffeners front to back (For longevity, Yes even dirt roads will fatigue the unibody)
-Steering box brace (Ironmanfab, Boostwerks [Batches are in the works], or BadDadFab)
-2x6 sliders (More clearance than Traditional sliders)

The BadDadFab brace would even provide you with front tow points and a hidden winch mount all in one.
Boostwerks does make a hidden winch mount, too. Both Bad Dad Fab and Boostwerks hidden winch mounts do require cutting the front plate. I have installed my BDF and like it. I do have the Boostwerks also. It will be installed on my next rig.
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Old January 31st, 2022, 10:29
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Boostwerks does make a hidden winch mount, too. Both Bad Dad Fab and Boostwerks hidden winch mounts do require cutting the front plate. I have installed my BDF and like it. I do have the Boostwerks also. It will be installed on my next rig.
Since you have both (Ive been back and forth on which to get) Which one has the best approach angle? I know you dont have the Boostwerks installed yet but maybe a comparison of how far they stick out and which one hangs lower on the "Frame".

The other one that is coming out soon (hopefully) is the Alpine Peak Precision Hidden winch plate/bumper

https://www.facebook.com/alpinepeakprecision/
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99 XJ Limited, AW4, 242, Colombia Edition WJ Seats, Stock. Future 4.5" lift, TnT LA, 33s armor, 231 SYE, D30/44 4.56, rear locker, etc
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Old January 31st, 2022, 10:45
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Since you have both (Ive been back and forth on which to get) Which one has the best approach angle? I know you dont have the Boostwerks installed yet but maybe a comparison of how far they stick out and which one hangs lower on the "Frame".

The other one that is coming out soon (hopefully) is the Alpine Peak Precision Hidden winch plate/bumper

https://www.facebook.com/alpinepeakprecision/
That one has a terrible approach angle!
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Old January 31st, 2022, 11:10
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My view is the approach angle would come down to what bumper you choose. I'll see if I can dig out the instructions for the Boostwerks Comp mount. I'll probably put the Logan's plain bumper with the Boosterwerks. It is what I planned. So, in that instance the DBF's would have better approach. ??? One question that is on my mind, is the install of the winch itself. Both are going to be heavy, to put up there. For a thread on the Boostwerks Comp Mount, I think its going to be easier, and if you need to pull the winch. I would also say the 'steering brace' aspect, the Comp mount is a bit Heavy Duty er.
For the build the BDF is on, its plenty. Its a 2" lift. It does get looks, and I think it would take a beating. I am doing a build similar to yours. Not exactly why the Boostwerks is going on that. But I might lean that way.
The Alpine looks good. I will say The BDF looks a bit thinner or better approach. Also, BDF has thinner bumper or wings than what I went with. I did notice Alpine's track bar brace. Looks beefy. I have Stinky's on my 2" lift. I also have RE and Ironman's going on my next build or my MJ. I think Ironmans on my next build, and his OTK track bar. The Ironman's steering box brace on the MJ.
I'm waffling on what axles to go with on my next build. So, I'll be keeping track of what you are doing. I did want to go with Tons. But I don't want the width of them. I'll probably be going 5.5" lift. So, probably 33-36" tires. So, not real need for Tons.
Hope this info helps some.
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Old February 1st, 2022, 09:37
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I did look at my BW Comp mount instructions. I forgot to look at my BDF this morning. I took the other (running) XJ today. So, from memory. I think the BDF sticks out about 2-3 inches more. The BWs is flush with the front frame. The BWs is straight across for the attachment points. BDF in just around the gear box side. I didn't check to see if the BWs clamps around the gear box housing or just the sector shaft. The Ironman does both and the BDF does too.
The BW's bolts to the bottom and the front. The BDF, front, bottom and sides. I think both back to the stock sway bar holes. The BDF on the sides, back to the large hole after the gear box holes. So, this can complicate the install. I did have Ruffstuff front stiffeners installed. There was some frame damage to mine. So, I did have to grind some on the front frame stiffeners. BDF did space out the cradle for this.
Now, as for approach. Even though BDF is say 3 inches out further, the front is used as an attachment point for BDF's bumper(s). I think it adds strength, as to wider spacing. Also, two things as a possible + for BDF. First, the top of the cradle does expose the winch, is the bumper is off. I feel it is easy to take the bumper off. Its a bit lighter (from memory) than my Logan's bumper. BDF does make an exposed bumper, and with 'wings'.
I could see having a 'modular' bumper 'system'. One of the aspects of a hidden winch, is to keep it conciled so people don't mess with it. The down side is the acces. Also, sight of the cable when winding back in. So, if two center sections, one enclosed, the other tube framed for wheeling. Then bolt on the wings or bummperretes as needed.
On the Alpines, I like they put lights in the bumper. I've been wanting to do that. More as driving lights. Space is a premuim though. Possibly, HIDs.
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My view is the approach angle would come down to what bumper you choose. I'll see if I can dig out the instructions for the Boostwerks Comp mount. I'll probably put the Logan's plain bumper with the Boosterwerks(originally planned). So, in that instance the DBF's would have better approach. ???

One question that is on my mind, is the install of the winch itself. Both are going to be heavy, to put up there. For a thread on the Boostwerks Comp Mount, I think its going to be easier, and if you need to pull the winch. I would also say the 'steering brace' aspect, the Comp mount is a bit more Heavy Duty.

For the rig the BDF is on, its plenty. It has a 2" lift and I think it would take a beating. I am doing a build similar to yours (OP). Not exactly why the Boostwerks is going on that, but I might lean that way.

The Alpine looks good. I will say The BDF looks to have a better approach. Also, BDF has thinner bumper winglets which is what I went with.

I did notice Alpine's track bar brace which looks beefy. I have Stinky Fab's on my 2" lift rig. The Rubicon Express and Ironman Fab's track bar brace is going on my next build or my MJ.

I think Ironmans track bar brace on my next build with his OTK track bar. Then the Ironman's steering box brace on the MJ.


I'm waffling on what axles to go with on my next build. So, I'll be keeping track of what you are doing. I did want to go with Tons, but I don't want the width of them. I'll probably be going 5.5" lift with 33-36" tires. So, not real need for Tons.

Hope this info helps some.

I tried to clean up the post a little for you (Was a little hard for me to read originally), hopefully it holds the same info.

As for your approach comment, I agree that the final bumper design will ultimately be the deciding factor of approach angle but I am trying to figure out which of the 2 bases is the most tucked into the frame if you weren't going to run an additional bumper or winglets.

The Alpine Peak Precision mount looks to have the same pillow ball support design as the Boostwerks so I would assume they were similar in overall height.??? However I agree that it appears to hang much lower than the other two. Would be nice to see them all in person side by side to compare.
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Cleaned up post seems OK.
Here is BDF's Face Book Page:
https://www.facebook.com/Baddadfab/p...59234161315917

If you scroll down on Apline's Photo's you can get a clear perspective from his prototype.

To be clear, I think both BDF and BWs have the same drop height. BW's is further back in. With similar bumpers, I think both of them would have the same approach. I could see that a bumper could be made to be further back in. Still, I'd argue that then the bumper would not protect as much. I'd actually like the BDF's bumper out about 1-3 inches more. I have that same view on the IRO rear bumper. Again, mine is a 2" lift road/very light trail runner. To paraphrase Forged in Fire, "I'm not concerned what my bumper does to others, I'm concerned what damage is done to my XJ." Still, I am happy with my choices. I also, want to see what acces I have to the winch, when I get it installed. I want to try and install it with the header removed.

Edit: Here's a thread with the BW Comp Mount installed:
https://comancheclub.com/topic/57401-comanche-dawn/

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Here's a thread with the BW Comp Mount installed:
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Holy Cow!

That is a beautiful build.
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