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Old November 30th, 2021, 01:54
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Camber out of spec. Ideas?


So I just got my rig back from the alignment shop today after I finish the install of my 3.5in lift and one ton steering and they show -2.3 degrees of camber on the driver side. After a bit of searching I’m thinking I need a 1.5 or 2 degree offset ball joint for that side right? Just want to make sure this is the “proper” fix and not just a bandaid. Also will I need another alignment after this install?


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Old November 30th, 2021, 07:17
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Re: Camber out of spec. Ideas?

Something would have to be bent for camber to be off that much, so I would be surprised if camber is actually off on your XJ. What's suspicious with the alignment numbers is that the total camber (add both sides together) is approximately correct. This would suggest that the entire axle is tilted to the right which isn't possible unless you have two significantly different size tires on the front. I would be concerned that the alignment was not properly measured. I suggest trying a different shop, well unless you are aware of a possibly bent front axle.
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Old November 30th, 2021, 08:03
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Camber out of spec. Ideas?

I agree.
Or your ball joints are loose and falling out of the Cs theyre pressed into.

2deg shit youd be able see that and your tires are probly wearing uneven

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Old November 30th, 2021, 10:30
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Re: Camber out of spec. Ideas?

stock upper control arms? check for bends
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Old November 30th, 2021, 11:07
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Camber out of spec. Ideas?

Sorry I left out a few details, the lift included new core4x4 adjustable control arms (short arms). I added 3/4in spring spacers to help with tire rub. And the Jeep was stock when I bought it so I doubt it was ever wheeled hard, it does show front passenger damage on the carfax it nothing on the axle or suspension looked bent or anything.


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Camber out of spec. Ideas?

Oh and I installed alloyusa HD ball joints last year so I think they are still ok and tight in the Cs


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Old November 30th, 2021, 12:59
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They have absolutely nothing to do with it!
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Old November 30th, 2021, 13:13
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They have absolutely nothing to do with it!
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Old November 30th, 2021, 13:36
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Re: Camber out of spec. Ideas?

Usually this is a bad balljoint, bent axle tube, or bent inner C on the axle housing. The upper part of the inner C is somewhat weak and will bend under heavy abuse. You can bend them back with a big hammer and enough anger but if you do not weld inner C braces on after that it will likely bend back again, at least in my experience.
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Old November 30th, 2021, 16:41
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Re: Camber out of spec. Ideas?

get a camber shim , they come in 1 & 1.5 degrees ,easy fix.
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Old November 30th, 2021, 19:55
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Camber out of spec. Ideas?

I agree arms have nothing to do wit it

You should see the passenger lower arm on my cummins. Apparently it doesnt slide over rocks quite like the arms on my jeep

If balljoints are knurled im leaning hard towards them being loose in the bores.

Id also wonder if the tech actually knows what theyre doing on the rack. I think id trust my 4ft level and a flat concrete slab over some numbers spit out of a alignment machine thats probly incorrectly set up.

Also my ball joints did come loose in the Cs and I did get tires leaning in. For a long time I thought it was just how it was sitting.
Till one day I jacked it up to do something and the lower balljoint just about fell out.
I tried a redkneck line bore and eventually welded the balljoints in. Then I cut those out and welded in wj ball joints.

Id Jack it up and see if you get any movement out them. Since youve replsced them theres a good chance its now FUBAR
Or there is no issue at all

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Re: Camber out of spec. Ideas?

hadn't heard of camber shims before, that does seem like the easy fix, cant find any larger than 1degree though
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I looked up the alloyusa joints. They are knurled its dam hard to find them not knurled

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I looked up the alloyusa joints. They are knurled its dam hard to find them not knurled

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they were knurled, is that a problem?
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Re: Camber out of spec. Ideas?

The knurling messes up the bores.

Once you run knurled ball joints you are stuck with them.

They exist to compensate for damaged bores, but they solve the problem by creating more damage. Not a good thing if your bores were in good shape initially.
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