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Old November 22nd, 2019, 22:00
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Help picking a MIG frame welder

Hey Y'all

Looks like I'm the kinda guy that needs to add frame stiffeners to my new XJ and I don't have a ton of welding experience.

Could you recommend a few MIG welders in 110 that would be up to the task.

I'm looking for one that is a good quality starter that won't be under powered but doesn't need to be the only machine I'll ever need.

I appreciate the help
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Old November 22nd, 2019, 23:40
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Re: Help picking a MIG frame welder

I have a Miller 211. Capable of 110 or 220. I recommend welding the stiffeners with 220.

You could probably get away with 110v but the duty cycle will make you cool down or trip breakers so often you'll get frustrated.

It's a lot of welding and and not in the most comfortable positions.

There are a lot of great machines out there that will fit your needs. Hope others will chime in.
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Old November 23rd, 2019, 05:54
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Help picking a MIG frame welder

I agree with above. I have a 110 Lincoln. 140 or whatever. Anyways, with gas 3/16 is all it can do correctly. Fluxcore will burn 1/4 efficiently enough. Get a welder that can grow with you. Don't make my mistake... Definitely get a 220 unit that can run on 110 for the thinner stuff.

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Old November 23rd, 2019, 06:13
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Re: Help picking a MIG frame welder

HOBART 190 is a awesome welder for the money.
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Old November 23rd, 2019, 06:38
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Re: Help picking a MIG frame welder

Just get one of the major brands, they are all good. Miller, Lincoln, Forney, Esab, and Hobart, etc..
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Old November 23rd, 2019, 07:01
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I have a Miller 211. Capable of 110 or 220. I recommend welding the stiffeners with 220.

You could probably get away with 110v but the duty cycle will make you cool down or trip breakers so often you'll get frustrated.

It's a lot of welding and and not in the most comfortable positions.

There are a lot of great machines out there that will fit your needs. Hope others will chime in.
My buddy used a 211 to do my truss, and taught my a bit of welding on it. Itís a nice machine. I picked up a used 140 earlier this year but havenít had time to play with it.
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Old November 23rd, 2019, 08:53
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Re: Help picking a MIG frame welder

My MIG is a Lincoln SP135+. It is okay for light stuff. Marginally okay for frame stiffeners. Keep in mind the factory tin to which you attaching the stiffeners is pretty thin stuff. There aren't many places where you need serious penetration.

I got an opportunity to play with a Miller 211 once. Nice machine. I would love to have one. Although at this point, if I were to be buying another MIG it would probably be a full size 240 machine.

Keep in mind, if you pursue this to any degree you will eventually find yourself wanting access to other processes. My TIG is my favorite machine. And if I need to work outside (i.e. where there is a breeze) then it is stick time. Stick is also my best choice if I need penetration.

At any rate, if you want room to grow you might be best off starting with a power supply to which you can add processes as you feel the need/budget allows.

Do some research so you can be half-educated (just enough to be dangerous) and then walk into your local welding supply shop and talk to them. See what they recommend, and don't be afraid to ask if there will be discount days sometime in the foreseeable future. It is generally a good idea to buy a machine for which you can get local support. Count on finding that you need consumables (like tips and liners) at the least convenient time. Being able to get them locally can make or break your ability to go on a trip.

Oh, and while you are looking into welders, look into grinders too. You are going to spend lots of quality time with your grinder. I like my quick change 4 1/2" Metabo. I recently got a new toy though, a Milwaukee M18 grinder. I figure at the very least it should be useful in the junkyard. We will see if being cordless gives it enough of a convenience edge to displace the Metabo.
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Old November 23rd, 2019, 08:58
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Looks like I'm the kinda guy that needs to add frame stiffeners to my new XJ and I don't have a ton of welding experience.
Could you recommend a few MIG welders in 110 that would be up to the task.
I'm looking for one that is a good quality starter that won't be under powered but doesn't need to be the only machine I'll ever need.
First welcome to Naxja! Since your new to your XJ and we don't know anything about your rig, I'm curious as to why you would start with the hardest and possibly not needed project?
You also want to go with a gas set-up vs flux-core!
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Old November 23rd, 2019, 09:54
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Re: Help picking a MIG frame welder

The hobart handler is a nice basic 110 volt unit, I used that as a kid, Now I have a big 220 Miller and can weld to 1/2 inch plate with ease, but that is a many thousand buck unit.

some thing like the 110 v Hobart will be acceptable. Buying used will allow you to get a better machine for same price verses buying new.

You will want to learn on practice parts, so gets lots of scrap to practice on before turning the arc on your Jeep.

Gas shielded verses flux core is the way to go.

You also will need a leather long sleeved welders jacket, or pick up a cheap old leather coat at the good will. You need your skin fully covered, the arc rays will give you a nasty sun burn if not covered up, the burns can he much more painful than any burn from a day at the beach. also helmet and gloves are required.
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Old November 23rd, 2019, 10:34
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The hobart handler is a nice basic 110 volt unit, I used that as a kid, Now I have a big 220 Miller and can weld to 1/2 inch plate with ease, but that is a many thousand buck unit.

some thing like the 110 v Hobart will be acceptable. Buying used will allow you to get a better machine for same price verses buying new.

You will want to learn on practice parts, so gets lots of scrap to practice on before turning the arc on your Jeep.

Gas shielded verses flux core is the way to go.

You also will need a leather long sleeved welders jacket, or pick up a cheap old leather coat at the good will. You need your skin fully covered, the arc rays will give you a nasty sun burn if not covered up, the burns can he much more painful than any burn from a day at the beach. also helmet and gloves are required.
Hobart makes nice 220 units as well...and 90% of the parts say Miller on them.
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Re: Help picking a MIG frame welder

Hobart 210 MVP. For the money and capabilities nothing comes close. As others has said duty cycle is a major factor. Also the ability to switch between 120 and 220 is great. My dad has a hobart 140 and it's been a GREAT little welder. Obviously limited but has been solid all around welder.
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Old November 23rd, 2019, 19:21
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Re: Help picking a MIG frame welder

Another vote for the Miller 211

I have a few welders all Miller ó the 211 is a great, mobile, mig welder that you can grow into instead of grow out of
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Old November 23rd, 2019, 20:43
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Re: Help picking a MIG frame welder

I have a Hobart 210 mvp, its a good unit. Im by no measure an experienced welder, but its a capable machine that still runs on transformers, and is pretty much an outdated miller 211. It would be cool to see a tear down of the old transformer 211 vs the 210 mvp. Im sure a new 211 would be sweet as an inverter unit, but its a bit costly for what you get imo.

theres many welders that run on 110, you get what you pay for, at least thats what my researched turned up a while back.

do you have a budget?
Miller/Hobart, Lincoln, Esab, Forney, Vulcan- supposed rip off of the 211. Pick a price point and look around that, most things will deliver just fine. To each youll find price point differences that reflect power, duty cycle, and tapped vs infinite functions.


As a newb welder still, I will say any machine that has infinite wire feed and infinite voltage adjustment, is pretty nice to have. If choosing again I would look for this function on a welder.

other than that, pick the best deal you can find on a welder within your budget.
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Old November 24th, 2019, 05:30
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Re: Help picking a MIG frame welder

Thanks for the great feed back you guys!

Looks like I'll add the Miller to my black friday wish list.

My local welding supply shop has the best deal, not what I expected but I'll take it.

Any ideas on practice material that will simulate the frame? The stiffeners are 3/16 so I could get some scrap and have at.
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Thanks for the great feed back you guys!

Looks like I'll add the Miller to my black friday wish list.

My local welding supply shop has the best deal, not what I expected but I'll take it.

Any ideas on practice material that will simulate the frame? The stiffeners are 3/16 so I could get some scrap and have at.
It's not so much the 3/16 you need to practice on........it's more the sheet metal the frame is made of, and welding the 3/16 to it without blowing thru.

I looked at miller & hobart when I got mine, but got a better deal on the Hobart. A friend who has a Miller, used mine, and he said he saw no difference in the way they worked......his just cost a lot more.
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