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Old January 6th, 2023, 11:33
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OBDII Linking Error

Helping a friend with his 99 XJ, has a CEL but is unable to read the codes because it keeps saying "Linking Error" when it tries to connect. The reader will power up no problem, just no communication. And the key on 3x trick doesn't seem to put codes on the odometer, but I've literally never gotten that to work on any jeep. Also, the jeep starts and runs, zero issue. Nearly every thread out there on this topic has to do with bad grounds or a faulty CPS, and seems like usually the jeep won't start; this is not our experience. We also have no fuel gauge or speedo, BUT we also just removed the transmission so it's possible something got jacked in that wiring along the way. Willing to treat that as a red herring for now.

There are 7 wires in the OBDII connector (called the Data Link Connector in the FSM):

Pin 3: CCD Bus (+), VT/BR wire. This has ~4V on it with the key on. I expected this to be between 0V - 5V, so I think it's ok.
Pin 4: Ground, BK wire. This has continuity with the chassis, so I think it's ok.
Pin 5: Ground, BK/TN wire. This also has continuity with the chassis, so I think it's ok.
Pin 6: SCI receive, LG/BK wire. This has ~3V with the key on, and has continuity all the way to pin 29 on C3 at the PCM. I think it's ok.
Pin 7: SCI transmit, PK wire. This has 0V on it, but since we aren't transmitting anything, that's probably ok. It has continuity all the way to pin 27 on C3 at the PCM. I think it's ok.
Pin 11: CCD Bus (-), WT/BK wire. This has ~4V on it with the key on. I expected this to be between 0V - 5V, so I think it's ok.
Pin 16: Fused B(+), TN/BK wire. This has +12V on it at all times, which is expected. I think it's ok.

So, I've basically tested every wire and have not been able to identify a problem. The instrument cluster appears to be fed by those CCD bus wires, which also go to the DLC...so if you have info at one place, you should have it the other. What I'm hoping for by posting this is that we have an OBDII guru here who can help with some other diagnostic tests to figure out what is going on.
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Old January 6th, 2023, 18:15
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Re: OBDII Linking Error

Some lesser quality OBD-II trouble code readers have difficulty linking to the Cherokee PCM. Have tried a different Code Reader and get the same result ?

Have you checked all the fuses ?

Here some info I saved from another Jeeping forum.



DLC = Data Link Connector for OBD-II diagnostics.

The voltage in the OBD II diagnostic connector is charging voltage. It is about 12-12.6 volts engine off. It is about 13.9-14.4 with the engine running.

Check the fuses, if the cigarette lighter fuse is blown sometime the OBD-II port has no voltage or low voltage.

JeepForum member CCKen posted this:

Go to the Data Link Connector.

Top row of pin cavities, the second and third occupied cavities (from the left) are the ground cavities for the DLC. They go to the oil dipstick tube mounting bracket stud on the left side of the engine.

The pin cavity on the far right on the bottom row is the 12 VDC power supply to the DLC.

Using a voltmeter, measure from the one of the top row ground pin cavities to the power pin cavity on the bottom row, you should see 12 VDC. If not, switch to the other ground pin cavity. If still nothing visually check the two wires at the oil dipstick ground point. If they are intact and free of corrosion, use an Ohmmeter to check the ground wires from each of the ground pin cavities to chassis ground. You should see continuity (.5 Ohms or less).

Power to the DLC comes from fuse F17 in the PDC. If it were blown other circuits powered by this fuse would be inoperative as well, such as the headlamps or cigarette lighter.

Pin cavities on the DLC must be corrosion free and not have expanded pin cavities from Bubba shoving meter probes in the cavities.

The above is for powering up the scanner only. Not being able to "Communicate" is an issue with the Serial Communication Interface (SCI) function of the PCM. The issue may be the SCI Transmit wiring, or internal problem related to the PCM, TCM, or ABS CAB.
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Old January 6th, 2023, 18:53
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Re: OBDII Linking Error

yep, read most of those posts elsewhere, and most of those diagnostic tests have been performed and the results are in my first post. I don't have a ground wire on the dipstick afaik, but I do have continuity with the chassis when I test against pins 4 & 5.

We've checked fuses several times over the past few months, this particular issue has been going on for some time. We're not aware of any other functions that aren't working properly; the Jeep drives fine.
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Old January 6th, 2023, 19:01
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Re: OBDII Linking Error

Regarding those grounds, I've traced all the wires in the FSM wiring diagrams, and pins 4 & 5 are grounded at G102. Unfortunately, G102 only appears in the diagrams for the diesel engine in the Connector Locations chapter (8W-90) of the FSM. I don't know if that's a mistake or if all the ground references in the wiring diagrams are wrong.
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Old January 7th, 2023, 05:38
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Re: OBDII Linking Error

try this.

Unplug the CPS and then connect the reader
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Old January 7th, 2023, 09:28
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try this.

Unplug the CPS and then connect the reader
If there's a trick that's been posted here, I've probably read about it. Plugged, unplugged, makes no difference. Seems like the people that works for also have a no start condition, but this jeep runs fine.
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Old January 7th, 2023, 11:21
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Re: OBDII Linking Error

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<snip> We also have no fuel gauge or speedo, BUT we also just removed the transmission so it's possible something got jacked in that wiring along the way. Willing to treat that as a red herring for now.
This is where I would look more closely. If you suspect there may be some harness damage, at least you can rule this out.
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Old January 7th, 2023, 12:21
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Re: OBDII Linking Error

The no link issue has been present for months. The no fuel/no speedo only showed up after we dropped the transmission. That said, I had the same thought, but we tested that wiring and found no issues.
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Re: OBDII Linking Error

All types and brands of code readers don't link, or just yours ?
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Old January 8th, 2023, 15:07
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Re: OBDII Linking Error

His reader doesnít work, havenít re-tested mine since we got the new computer. But it seems like a good time to mention that at one point we threw a 2000 computer in there and it was able to link up. Then when we put the 99 back in, no link. And with the new 99 from WranglerFix, back to no link.

But that was months ago that we did those tests.
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Old January 9th, 2023, 12:32
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Re: OBDII Linking Error

I get the "No Link" sometimes only after I try to clear the codes, on my cheap reader. What I get it to do to read is once it connects I go to the live info (ie, engine temp, rpms, throttle position, ect) once it reads those I can access the codes and clear them.
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Old January 10th, 2023, 20:19
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Re: OBDII Linking Error

We tried to connect my Zurich ZR8 (the mid grade Harbor Freight model) and it did not give a link error but neither would it read any codes. In fact it said there were none, and it also said the vehicle did not support live data reading, but I know that's false. And FWIW, this particular reader used to be able to read codes off this particular jeep.

Then I plugged in my bluetooth OBDII reader that I got for Christmas. And sure enough it linked right up, read live data, and showed us 3 codes, including a P1694 which is a brand new one to me, but looks to be something of a chicken & egg situation. It describes a problem with the BUS, but it tells me that on the BUS. Whatevs, at least I have a new problem to chase down.
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Old January 17th, 2023, 07:51
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Re: OBDII Linking Error

Another update.... we unplugged a bunch of sensors & TCM, no change. Plugged them all back in, and my buddy (whose jeep this actually it) got his "lesser" reader to read codes. I'm not sure what we did after that, but for no *apparent* reason his reader started giving a Linking Error again.

I did notice some suspect wiring around the TPS/IAC area, and now I'm wondering if there is a short or something in that section of the harness that allowed the reader to connect after we had jiggled stuff around. I think our next order of business is to replace a connector and peel back the harness in that area. I've never opened up a jeep wiring harness and NOT found an issue, so this should be enlightening.
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Old January 18th, 2023, 08:31
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Re: OBDII Linking Error

We're getting intermittent linking, and the only thing we're messing with the the wires around the IAC & TPS so I'm pretty well sold on this being a wiring issue. We can't reliably make it link/not link but that little section of the harness is all we've touched.
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Re: OBDII Linking Error

try touching the harness further out on either side.
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