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Old August 10th, 2009, 10:12
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Gun Certification is Beginning

I just got this in an email, have not read all of it, but:

Subject: Gun Certification is Beginning

HR45 Gun Owners Watch Out

Concerning the Blair-Holt proposed legislation: Senate Bill SB-2099 will
require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal tax form all guns that you have
or own. It may require finger prints and a tax of $50 per gun.

In November, our lying president promised he was not going after our Second
Amendment rights. This bill was introduced on Feb. 24. This bill will become
public knowledge 30 days after it is voted into law. This is an amendment to
the Internal Revenue Act of 1986.. This means that the Finance Committee can
pass this without the Senate voting on it at all.

The full text of the proposed amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage,
http://www.senate.gov/ You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill
number, SB-2099.

You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do. Please send a copy of this
e-mail of every gun owner you know.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text

Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. If it passes,
gun owners will become criminals if you don't fully comply. It has
started...

Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the
House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of
2009.

Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because the government is
trying to fly it under the radar.

To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or
Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009.
You will get all the information.

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a
clip or ANY pistol unless:

It is registered -You are fingerprinted -You supply a current Driver's
License -You supply your Social Security # - You will submit to a physical &
mental evaluation at any time of their choosing - Each update change or
ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 -
Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are
subject up to a year in jail. - There is a child provision clause on page 16
section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and
inaccessible to any child under 18. They would have the right to come and
inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to
children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison...

If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many
options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are
becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in our family pass
this along.

This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and
disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a
little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes
it.

This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.

If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against me. HR 45
only makes me/us less safe.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45

Please... copy and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA , whether you
support the Right to Bear Arms or not. YOUR rights are next. Government is
taking away our right to choose, as well as the right to defend ourselves
from intruders.

CALL YOUR SENATOR

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Old August 10th, 2009, 10:28
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Re: Gun Certification is Beginning

I knew this was HR 45 before I even opened it.

It's one of those things that has no backing or momentum.

*yawn*
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Old August 10th, 2009, 10:30
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Re: Gun Certification is Beginning

and it damn well better stay that way.
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Old August 10th, 2009, 10:35
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You will submit to a physical &
mental evaluation at any time of their choosing. They would have the right to come and
inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to
children
This would be the only part I have an issue with if it's even true. I know gun laws only stop law biding citizens but they also prevent law biding citizens from doing anything stupid. They can have a blood sample for all I care as long as they don't take my guns. I'm not going to go around killing people so it doesn't really matter.

The issue I see with the mental thing is thats a c#$t hair away from telling soldiers they can't protect there homes because they went to war and it changed them.
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Old August 10th, 2009, 10:37
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This would be the only part I have an issue with if it's even true. I know gun laws only stop law biding citizens but they also prevent law biding citizens from doing anything stupid. They can have a blood sample for all I care as long as they don't take my guns. I'm not going to go around killing people so it doesn't really matter.
Anything, ANYTHING the government does to make gun owners have to register in anyway is a gateway to more restrictions and the eventual confiscation of your weapons.
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Old August 10th, 2009, 10:40
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It could be worse I could still live in California
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Old August 10th, 2009, 10:41
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but they also prevent law biding citizens from doing anything stupid. They can have a blood sample for all I care as long as they don't take my guns. I'm not going to go around killing people so it doesn't really matter.
Its not about what you do with the guns.

Its about control.

Make no mistake. This is how it will happen.

Register guns - people will not want the hassle and won't have guns.
The people that do. will have to continually put up with stricter control until its so hard to own them that they give up.

Once the guns are under Government control the people no longer have the ability to stand up for them selves.

Taking guns away from people is the first action needed to use them on the people.
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Old August 10th, 2009, 10:46
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HR 45 has a snowball's chance in h3ll of passing. I'm a lot more concerned about CIFTA, an interamerican treaty Clinton Sr. did about 12 years ago but was never ratified by the Senate. Obama has apparently latched onto it, and after he came back from his last trip to Mexico he started pushing for the senate to ratify it.
If I understand it correctly, it creates a mandatory gun registry, and SHARES it with the other signatories to the treaty. This includes Mexico, so we can be sure that the cartels will have copies of the list within a month of the mexican government receiving it...

Link to the treaty here:
http://www.state.gov/p/wha/rls/49907.htm
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Old August 10th, 2009, 10:48
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Re: Gun Certification is Beginning

We lose another freedom every day. Or atleast someone is working on taking away another freedom.

We need "Change" haha
anyway we need more change then just a president in our government.
Crap big brothers watching...
There goes my security clearance
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Old August 10th, 2009, 12:08
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I know gun laws only stop law biding citizens but they also prevent law biding citizens from doing anything stupid.
Oooh, I don't think so.

We need to hang out sometime so I can beat ya with the reality stick.
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Old August 10th, 2009, 12:20
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This would be the only part I have an issue with if it's even true. I know gun laws only stop law biding citizens but they also prevent law biding citizens from doing anything stupid.
The gun laws here are pretty strict, the people so inclined, usually use alternative methods, like knives and arson.
Though to tell you the truth, a hundred miles from here (in the Czech Republic) a guy tried to sell me a mint M-3 (WW II vintage) in a restaurant full of patrons.
I'm waiting for some family to sue the government, because their family members died in an arson fire laid for another person. The argument being, if the guy had a gun, he would likely have killed his intended target, instead of everybody in the damned house. Most every week you hear of a bunch of people (often children) dieing in an arson fire set by some guy upset with his wife.
If a person has a nail to hammer and you take the hammer away, most people with at least two brain cells to rub together, will come up with an alternative.
If some goat herder in the back hills of Gofukyustan, can dream up a way, no doubt others can too.

We had a saying in the military that would fit many of the legislators in Washington, "ate up with the dumb act". See I told you so, gun crime is down, they never tell you the flip side of the story, automobile assaults up, knifing up, arson up, bricks falling from the sky up.

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Old August 10th, 2009, 12:29
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What I mean is if they obey and get printed they will be easier to track down when they blow someones face off.

Hence preventing them from doing it. If they had any intelligence at all. Or atleast catching them if they do.
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It didnt work up here at all!! big joke waste of millions and millions of dollars
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I knew this was HR 45 before I even opened it.

It's one of those things that has no backing or momentum.

*yawn*
The word I got is those trying to get it through are trying to slip it past Congress right now by attaching it to a finance bill in the finance committee (hide it, bury it where no one is looking) so it can not be voted on directly, struck diwn, or amended by the Senate.

It is the sneak attack approach, back door thing that worries me. I don't think it would survive daylight if it made there either, but what if the Health care bill debate is used by a few anti gun people to slip this past everyone when no one is watching. After all everyone is being led to focus on the heath care debate right now, what better time to sneak out the back door. Then we may be screwed.

While I have mixed feelings about out of control access to guns by criminals, and psychos, I think it is stupid to create public records of where all the guns are for criminals to use in burglaries and for oppressive governments to use to take away the peoples arms.

Oh look there, a cute blond!

Watch out for distractions!
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Old August 10th, 2009, 12:52
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The gun laws here are pretty strict, the people so inclined, usually use alternative methods, like knives and arson.
Though to tell you the truth, a hundred miles from here (in the Czech Republic) a guy tried to sell me a mint M-3 in a restaurant full of patrons.
I'm waiting for some family to sue the government, because their family members died in an arson fire layed for another person. The argument being, if the guy had a gun, he would likely have killed his intended target, instead of everybody in the damned house. Most every week you hear of a bunch people dieing in an arson fire set by some guy upset with his wife.
If a person has a nail to hammer and you take the hammer away, most people with at least two brain cells to rub together, will come up with an alternative.
If some goat herder in the back hills of Gofukyustan, can dream up a way, no doubt others can too.

We had a saying in the military that would fit many of the legislators in Washington, "ate up with the dumb act". See I told you so, gun crime is down, they never tell you the flip side of the story, automobile assaults up, knifing up, arson up, bricks falling from the sky up.
IIRC Samson used the jawbone of ASS, LOL. It was somewhere near Gofukustan, LOL.
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