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Old December 18th, 2018, 01:54
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Re: BUILD - 1990 XJ Wagoneer Limited

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I think the split in the windshield is just a trim piece and two pieces of glass. If you zoom in, you can see the notches for it.
I did not think so but you got me curious. I found this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pickup-wago...4383.l4275.c10
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Old December 29th, 2018, 15:50
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Re: BUILD - 1990 XJ Wagoneer Limited

Just a quick update from the shop. The initial tear-down has started. Removal of the wood/vinyl on the sides seems to be easiest with a polishing wheel. Dents are marked/circled. Bumpers are off. Front clip is off, and front driver fender is off.








[img] https://imgur.com/sDcQspn [/img]






You can see below - to a degree - the previous owner hit something pretty good with the front driver's side. Or one of the previous owners did, anyway. We knew it had a little damage, but the bumper support is pushed in pretty far. Fixable of course.






Now also seems like an ideal time to consider converting to an open cooling system, but the jury seems to be out on that whether it's necessary or not. I've never had a closed loop cooling system, so I'm not sure what I'm in for there. But if it ain't broke....?


Rear bumper supports were pretty nasty. The other one that I didn't get a picture of basically flaked off.



The front (valance?) grill surround had a nasty crack in it right near where the pinstripes curve. That's been fixed with some sanding and some sealer.





Front bumper supports can use some cleaning but are in decent shape.





Rear hatch has had all the trim pulled out. Next up will be removing all the door panels, carpets, seats, etc.
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Old December 29th, 2018, 15:52
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Re: BUILD - 1990 XJ Wagoneer Limited

Apparently I'm an idiot when it comes to forum posting images.


Imgur album for the above:

https://imgur.com/a/bIIJwAK
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Old December 29th, 2018, 18:55
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Re: BUILD - 1990 XJ Wagoneer Limited

Lookin good.

You going to do a profesh repaint?
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Old December 29th, 2018, 22:40
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Re: BUILD - 1990 XJ Wagoneer Limited

Any idea how much it will be worth once it's rebuilt?

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Old December 29th, 2018, 23:15
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Re: BUILD - 1990 XJ Wagoneer Limited

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Any idea how much it will be worth once it's rebuilt?

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Curious as well. Why spend so much on it when you could buy a very nice rust free no issue XJ for much , much cheaper ?
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Old December 30th, 2018, 07:40
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Lookin good.

You going to do a profesh repaint?

Yeah. We're going to get the body knocked out first since rust doesn't really slow down. It's pretty bad under there. Rot typical of the years from what I'm gathering.


Not sure how true it is, but had two bodyshops comment that in the late 80s/early 90s AMC/Eagle was using a lot of foreign (Chinese) steel that wasn't treated properly.


It has a lot of hail damage the inspection didn't catch and the roof is bowed in, like something fell on it. It's earlier (MUCH EARLIER) than we initially planned for a repaint - we were basically going to do that last - but it seems prudent to just do it now while it's apart. We're not doing this part of the restore wholly ourselves, so it should "save" us a little cash down the road.
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Old December 30th, 2018, 07:49
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Re: BUILD - 1990 XJ Wagoneer Limited

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Any idea how much it will be worth once it's rebuilt?

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That is the question, lol. We're not planning to sell or flip it after the resto. We'll definitely have it for a long while after we're finished...if "finished" ever happens. After this step of the restore it's going to camp out for awhile, as we'll be doing the rest of the process.



Hagertys and Hemmings don't have any information on this particular year of Waggy. Not sure if it's because there's not a demand, or that the quad-headlight setup was only made for a limited period (3 years?)....or both. We'll have to figure out a value for insurance purposes alone, though.



When I dumbly stumbled on this one (I was mostly looking for FSJs), I had seen an average price of about 2 to 3k for them, but always in rough shape with high mileage. Some in worse shape than this one. The two highest I saw were 18k (appears to have sold) with 120k miles, and one near me at 22k with 45k miles, still for sale.


I guess the short answer is who knows? If we ever sell it after this we'll have to be patient enough to find a collector.
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Old December 30th, 2018, 08:04
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Curious as well. Why spend so much on it when you could buy a very nice rust free no issue XJ for much , much cheaper ?

Kind of happened into it I suppose. It will end up being a lot of money for sure. Maybe even bordering on the absurd, but I kind of feel that's any "resto" once you attach the resto word to it, right? It should be a bit of a labor of love.


I suppose we could've bought a newer XJ and slapped some woodgrain decals on it if we had too, but there's something about (almost literally) snatching an old, uncommon vehicle from the jaws of the crusher to revive.



I've always wanted to take on a resto project. This is the first. Honestly thought it was going to be a Grand Wagoneer first, but...found this one instead. Didn't plan on shelling out the kind of cash on it that we did immediately, but that was the risk of buying it online/at auction. Had an inspection done, but I see now that our inspector wasn't so good. Maybe he just needs glasses.


Anyway - it's going to slow way down after all this stuff is done. It basically needs everything. There is still so much to do.



Hope you all stick around for advice, because XJs are just awesome, and to poke fun at us along the way too.
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Old December 30th, 2018, 08:16
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Re: BUILD - 1990 XJ Wagoneer Limited

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I suppose we could've bought a newer XJ and slapped some woodgrain decals on it if we had too, but there's something about (almost literally) snatching an old, uncommon vehicle from the jaws of the crusher to revive.
+1

It is a redemption theme. Same as Pygmalion (or My Fair Lady for those who don't recognize the original).

I get it. We paid $7K a few years back to repaint The Bride's '96 Impala SS. We could have easily bought another Impala for that price, but the point was to take care of the one that means something to us. In a few months I will be pulling out the engine and trans and once again probably spending enough money to buy another Impala. But this one will stay with us.
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Old December 30th, 2018, 08:54
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I get it.

+1 for the Pygmalion reference, lol.



And yeah buddy - the 96 is the one to have too. Best of the three year production run as I recall, though I don't recall why it's the best, ha ha.


A 96 Impala SS is still on my long wish list of vehicles to hoard. Considered a Mercury Marauder years later, but man I don't know, it just didn't have the same soul as the Impala.
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The '96 was the only year to come with a factory floor shifter. And you can figure that any '96 that gets parted out, that shifter setup goes into another vehicle that was originally a column shifter.

I wanted to buy a '96 new, but The Bride insisted we first buy a house. About 6 months after we bought the house we got this car. It was a lease return and was immaculate. I even made them put it up on a lift so I could inspect the undercarriage before we sealed the deal. The Bride wouldn't let me modify it while it was still under warranty, and this was while I worked for Hooker Headers. I had some one-off custom exhaust parts made for this car and they have never been installed. We are now at the point that this car is an unmolested original and I should probably leave it that way.

Every now and then I get the itch to get a wagon and convert it to a 6 speed manual. Then I could really play around with it and not feel like I was messing with something valuable. But I have Varmints, and they take priority over my toys. Maybe someday after I kick the last one out.
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looking forward to this, love these Wagoneer
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Old January 3rd, 2019, 23:52
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Kind of happened into it I suppose. It will end up being a lot of money for sure. Maybe even bordering on the absurd, but I kind of feel that's any "resto" once you attach the resto word to it, right? It should be a bit of a labor of love.


I suppose we could've bought a newer XJ and slapped some woodgrain decals on it if we had too, but there's something about (almost literally) snatching an old, uncommon vehicle from the jaws of the crusher to revive.



I've always wanted to take on a resto project. This is the first. Honestly thought it was going to be a Grand Wagoneer first, but...found this one instead. Didn't plan on shelling out the kind of cash on it that we did immediately, but that was the risk of buying it online/at auction. Had an inspection done, but I see now that our inspector wasn't so good. Maybe he just needs glasses.


Anyway - it's going to slow way down after all this stuff is done. It basically needs everything. There is still so much to do.



Hope you all stick around for advice, because XJs are just awesome, and to poke fun at us along the way too.
I understand ! There’s a 72 Bronco I know of id like to redo
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Old January 8th, 2019, 10:10
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Re: BUILD - 1990 XJ Wagoneer Limited

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The '96 was the only year to come with a factory floor shifter. And you can figure that any '96 that gets parted out, that shifter setup goes into another vehicle that was originally a column shifter.

I wanted to buy a '96 new, but The Bride insisted we first buy a house. About 6 months after we bought the house we got this car. It was a lease return and was immaculate. I even made them put it up on a lift so I could inspect the undercarriage before we sealed the deal. The Bride wouldn't let me modify it while it was still under warranty, and this was while I worked for Hooker Headers. I had some one-off custom exhaust parts made for this car and they have never been installed. We are now at the point that this car is an unmolested original and I should probably leave it that way.

Every now and then I get the itch to get a wagon and convert it to a 6 speed manual. Then I could really play around with it and not feel like I was messing with something valuable. But I have Varmints, and they take priority over my toys. Maybe someday after I kick the last one out.
House schmouse! That's right. It's the floor shifter. I knew there was something different with the 96. I kind of feel like with a car like that you have to have the floor shifter. Not because it adds anything performance wise, but just general feel.

I'm with you. At this point probably best to leave it be. I'm sure it's still plenty fun to drive.

I have one varmint, but he's only just about 2. Ideally this Waggy will be his one day. I figure what the heck, right? We have another 10 years to worry about saving for college, LOL.
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