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Old February 2nd, 2021, 10:11
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Re: lockers! what ya running and why?

ARB's front and rear in CJ5 and XJ.

In 20 years of running ARB's (on multiple rigs) I have never had an issue with loosing air (I installed the ARB's in my XJ).
ARB's are instant lock even if stopped, and can be engaged on the fly.
Their customer service is exceptional.
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Old February 2nd, 2021, 19:27
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Re: lockers! what ya running and why?

I have a Jeep Rubicon Dana 44 with the air locker in the front and an Eaton E-Locker in the rear.
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Old February 2nd, 2021, 21:02
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ARB's front and rear in CJ5 and XJ.

In 20 years of running ARB's (on multiple rigs) I have never had an issue with loosing air (I installed the ARB's in my XJ).
ARB's are instant lock even if stopped, and can be engaged on the fly.
Their customer service is exceptional.
I didn't know they locked if air flow stopped. that's cool.

I also want RCV's, a long arm lift, harness seats and a few other things, so throwing a thousand per diff plus air compressor, etc seems a little crazy. good to know they have good service as well.
decisions....
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Old February 2nd, 2021, 21:03
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I have a Jeep Rubicon Dana 44 with the air locker in the front and an Eaton E-Locker in the rear.
Is that the Trak-Lock? may have come in TJs? don't know much about the stock lockers.
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Old February 2nd, 2021, 21:35
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I didn't know they locked if air flow stopped. that's cool.
They don't, your mis-reading what he's saying. You can "lock" them from a dead stop or "lock" them on the fly.
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Old February 3rd, 2021, 06:28
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They don't, your mis-reading what he's saying. You can "lock" them from a dead stop or "lock" them on the fly.
oh.
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Old February 3rd, 2021, 07:58
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Is that the Trak-Lock? may have come in TJs? don't know much about the stock lockers.
IIRC, he stock TJ locker runs at a much lower air pressure than the ARB locker does. As a result the ARB compressors are too much for it, so you have to find the matching stock air compressor. Which then opens up a can of worms for matching the rear- either use the TJ Rubi stuff, go with a non-selectable, add a second compressor for an ARB, or go with the e-locker.
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Old February 3rd, 2021, 10:49
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I didn't know they locked if air flow stopped. that's cool.

I also want RCV's, a long arm lift, harness seats and a few other things, so throwing a thousand per diff plus air compressor, etc seems a little crazy. good to know they have good service as well.
decisions....
No airflow is required once locked, all you need to keep them locked is air pressure. If the air is flowing, you got a leak. small leaks are not going to unlock them if the compressor can maintain enough pressure to keep them locked. the compressor may need to cycle on for a short time every now and then to maintain pressure, but that occurs automatically.

and heck a compressor is kind of needed anyways for tire inflation, if you air down for trails and then need to air up for highway and such, plus the compressor is nice for filling a flat tire.
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Old February 4th, 2021, 19:42
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No airflow is required once locked, all you need to keep them locked is air pressure. If the air is flowing, you got a leak. small leaks are not going to unlock them if the compressor can maintain enough pressure to keep them locked. the compressor may need to cycle on for a short time every now and then to maintain pressure, but that occurs automatically.



and heck a compressor is kind of needed anyways for tire inflation, if you air down for trails and then need to air up for highway and such, plus the compressor is nice for filling a flat tire.
That's counterintuitive. You don't build pressure without flow...

Anywho. Think I've decided. Maybe...

In my experience, having the front locked when I didn't want it was more problematic that the rear being locked under torque.

As mentioned I STAY locked. So perhaps releasing the ass end would've let me turn tighter.

@phil I know your front is spooled. selectable rear locker?

I won't go spool for aforementioned road manners that I really don't care about...

Grizzly front, e-lock rear?



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Old February 4th, 2021, 22:59
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Re: lockers! what ya running and why?

My front is spooled yes, and the rear is ARB air locker. Longest history in the industry, lots of other users, made for my axle.

I do have an Atlas transfer case, so for the tight turns I am able to go front-only but I strongly believe the advantage comes from the two front tires “pulling together” when turned to the side, without the rear pushing forward “locked” to resist the turn.
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Old February 4th, 2021, 23:38
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That's counterintuitive. You don't build pressure without flow...

Anywho. Think I've decided. Maybe...

In my experience, having the front locked when I didn't want it was more problematic that the rear being locked under torque.

As mentioned I STAY locked. So perhaps releasing the ass end would've let me turn tighter.

@phil I know your front is spooled. selectable rear locker?

I won't go spool for aforementioned road manners that I really don't care about...

Grizzly front, e-lock rear?



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If you locked the ARB, no flow is needed, as a pressure is required to maintain the lock condition, not a flow of air. The ARB locks by use of a piston the working fluid that moves the piston is air. It should be intuitive that flow is not required to maintain the piston in the locked position absent leakage.
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Old February 8th, 2021, 08:43
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If you locked the ARB, no flow is needed, as a pressure is required to maintain the lock condition, not a flow of air. The ARB locks by use of a piston the working fluid that moves the piston is air. It should be intuitive that flow is not required to maintain the piston in the locked position absent leakage.
dude you also thought that my axles were gonna grenade themselves if I drove them on the street, so..... you'll have to forgive me questioning your thinking.

I want simple/reliable. Very little street use, so ARB advantages are limited and they're the most expensive option. glad you like yours, but likely not for me.
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Old February 9th, 2021, 06:58
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keep it simple and your half way there already.
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Old February 9th, 2021, 07:59
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can't argue with that. found an Ox for rear for 400. it's on the way. will do grizzly up front.
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Old February 9th, 2021, 08:52
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Re: lockers! what ya running and why?

One thing you can do that will help with auto-locker in front would be a 2Low kit.
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