hahaha, now dont i feel dumb...first time i dont search...lol thanks. i'll try better next time. Ok, so after looking at the past posts, i'm going to have to revive the issue.....i'd like to get the C-ROK bumper (non winch) and mount the winch behind it. any suggestions? i thought about welding a crossmember between the rails, but then strength might be an issue....any ideas?