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Old December 4th, 2006, 18:20
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Overheating Issues...

This is making my brains itch...

Found out early last week that the shaft seal was leaking in my wife's water pump. Kept the rig stocked with water - and with one thing and another, didn't have a chance to change it until this past Saturday.

Had to use a pump that was 'known good used' off of the 1990 I'm tearing down - at it's holding.

However, it's not starting. It cranks a little slower than normal - even with a boost - so I changed the starter for "known good used" off of another rig I've got handy. Same problem.

Getting good voltage out of the relay at the terminal going to the solenoid, and good battery voltage down the mains line to the starter. Battery is charged.

I'm packing it in for the night - and I'm probably too close to the problem. It didn't overheat to the point where it stalled, but I pulled it over on the way home Friday night to add water, and couldn't get it started back up. The engine is not frozen (I've seen that happen...) and I'll be checking more as I go.

I think the valve cover gasket is blown - I noticed some smoking midway back down the driver's side on Friday - but that's low-priority right now, since it's an easy fix.

More than anything else, I'm looking for ideas on what else I should look at. As I said, I'm probably too close to the problem to think clearly, which is (I'm sure) tainting my troubleshooting...

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Old December 4th, 2006, 18:44
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Re: Overheating Issues...

did you try a voltage drop on the battery cables?
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Old December 4th, 2006, 18:51
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Re: Overheating Issues...

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did you try a voltage drop on the battery cables?
Yep - already done did. Losing about .05VDC per cable. (I make battery cables - I already thought of that...)

I don't have a helper handy, so I couldn't do a starter voltage drop - just yet...

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Old December 4th, 2006, 18:55
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Re: Overheating Issues...

Current draw during cranking?
Compression?
spark?
fuel?
Air?

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Old December 4th, 2006, 19:02
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Re: Overheating Issues...

hum.... well if you can try a amp draw, if you got a ammeter big enough, not sure of the spec but i'd guess 180ish.
if all you did is the water pump i could only think of something with the belt, but that would be strange that it would cause the cranking to slow down that much.
and of course when you get another hand do a VD across the starter, still strange that two of them would do it.
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Old December 4th, 2006, 19:21
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Re: Overheating Issues...

Yeah, that's what I thought.

I don't have a Krikit (I need to get one,) but I tightened the belt to what I normally do - able to turn the span 1/4 turn (just barely.)

I'll check a few more things in daylight to-morrow...

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Old December 4th, 2006, 23:11
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Re: Overheating Issues...

pull the plugs and have a look-see... :~(

Clean your grounds? Yeah I know who I'm saying this to, but we all have off days. High heat, high humidity, wont take long to build some resistance at your connections.
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Old December 4th, 2006, 23:14
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pull the plugs and have a look-see... :~(

Clean your grounds? Yeah I know who I'm saying this to, but we all have off days. High heat, high humidity, wont take long to build some resistance at your connections.
True - but it's also been relatively cool here, and I checked them at the last quarterly check (early September.) I'll check them again, just to be sure - keep the ideas coming!

When you get too close to a problem, it tends to give you blind spots...

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Old December 4th, 2006, 23:18
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When you get too close to a problem, it tends to give you blind spots...

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Old December 4th, 2006, 23:47
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Re: Overheating Issues...

Hell must be freezing over because Jon shouldn't need ask for 4.0 help.

Wish I could help Jon, best of luck
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Re: Overheating Issues...

This may be a stupid statement, but I did not notice a mention of oil level. Is that ok? Could there be some kind of exhaust blockage? maybe a beer would help.
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This may be a stupid statement, but I did not notice a mention of oil level. Is that ok? Could there be some kind of exhaust blockage? maybe a beer would help.
Checked oil - it was a bit low, which I expected (due to smoke/steam, as mentioned.) Topped off.

No exhaust blockage or pipe deformities that I've been able to note.

Beer? No. But, I'm out of booze - and it will be a little while before I can restock on Captain Morgan... I never picked up a taste for beer.

Oh, well - if it snows here to-morrow, I will know why. I shouldn't have to ask for help, but I'm too close to this problem - which is why my brains itch...

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Re: Overheating Issues...

Have you disconnected the battery and hooked it back up? Maybe reset the ecu?
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Have you disconnected the battery and hooked it back up? Maybe reset the ecu?
Yep - removed the battery to charge it.

Doesn't matter on this rig tho - it's RENIX, and doesn't store trouble codes or runtime data...

Anything else?

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Old December 5th, 2006, 06:20
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Re: Overheating Issues...

i am out of ideas man, so i am making predictions now...3.5 VD across the starter. any takers? it has to be the problem, wait wait wait. when you put the water pump in you didn't accidently put a really long bolt in a cram in into the outside of the #1 cylinder did you? that would make it turn over real hard.
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