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no stimulus for white males

For some reason I just can't get this song out of my head

Denis Leary- Voices in my head. Pay no attention to the fear and loathing clips playing, This is the only audio I could find.
 
the current state of our beautiful country scares me. Im a soldier, if there is any sort of uprising in this country, am i gonna be forced to oppress people who i share a common opinion with??? this is very scary stuff.
 
the current state of our beautiful country scares me. Im a soldier, if there is any sort of uprising in this country, am i gonna be forced to oppress people who i share a common opinion with??? this is very scary stuff.

"... and obey all lawful orders ..." (emphasis mine.)

The way I see it, you get wiggle room on that one. Between that and the Possie Comitatus Act of 1878, I'd say you're covered if there is an uprising, and you refuse to follow orders. Higher-higher may not see it that way - depends on their view (if they don't go along either, you're covered. If they do, then you'll have to wait until "the court of public opinion" steps in - you'll be a folk hero at the least!)
 
the current state of our beautiful country scares me. Im a soldier, if there is any sort of uprising in this country, am i gonna be forced to oppress people who i share a common opinion with??? this is very scary stuff.

i used to be in the same predictament. the only thing that i can say is if you are given that order, be sure it is a lawful one. if there is any doubt, be sure to question the order. remember, the right to peacefully assemble. your oath was to Support and DEFEND the Constitution of the United States of America, not to follow orders from the united socialist states of america.

EDIT: John typed faster than me and hit the nail on the head. remember the Possie Comitatus Act. US military can not be used to enforce civil law except under declared martial law. IF you ever are told to oppress us (We The People), be sure to exercize your right to question the order. you have the right, authority, commitment, and obligationhave the base legal officer(s) to explain to you the Possie Comitatus Act and how it applies to that situation. If at that time, you determine the order to be UNlawful, DO NOT FOLLOW.

on another note, how credible is the source of this article? any word of this in mainstream media?
 
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"... and obey all lawful orders ..." (emphasis mine.)

The way I see it, you get wiggle room on that one. Between that and the Possie Comitatus Act of 1878, I'd say you're covered if there is an uprising, and you refuse to follow orders. Higher-higher may not see it that way - depends on their view (if they don't go along either, you're covered. If they do, then you'll have to wait until "the court of public opinion" steps in - you'll be a folk hero at the least!)

i used to be in the same predictament. the only thing that i can say is if you are given that order, be sure it is a lawful one. if there is any doubt, be sure to question the order. remember, the right to peacefully assemble. your oath was to Support and DEFEND the Constitution of the United States of America, not to follow orders from the united socialist states of america.

x3


on another note, how credible is the source of this article? any word of this in mainstream media?

Assuming you're talking about the original video, it's been all over the place today. ;) As for credibility, keep in mind this was brainstorming and opinion... So take that for what it's worth.
 
it seems to be a look into the new USSA- united socialist states of amerika.

hhmmmm, let me think here. I am a White Male Construction Worker. what makes me so bad that i dont get a stimulous? but i also happen to fall into a couple other catagories as well- disabled, Union, and a Voter.

just out of curiosity, i wonder how the country (and its leader) handle it if for some reason all us organized hands were to picket? i mean we all want a piece of this new tasty pie.
 
just out of curiosity, i wonder how the country (and its leader) handle it if for some reason all us organized hands were to picket? i mean we all want a piece of this new tasty pie.

Picket? Seriously? Shake some signs around and try to get them to listen? Nah, I think we need to speak louder than that. ;)
 
Have things always been this fawked up in politics?

I'll be the first to admit that I'm no history buff and not even all that knowledgeable about such topics. But it seems to me that all this shit is about to hit the fan. I'm only 29 and never really paid much attention until Bush senior.

WTF?
 
Have things always been this fawked up in politics?

WTF?

Probably not as bad as it seems to be now. Politicans get away with more of this $hit, I believe, because people don't pay attention to whats going on. They "want" from the government, they don't seem to see their freedoms being taken away. " He's gettin' stuff from the government, I want something" attitude. Trading freedom for security. Freedom includes freedom to fail also. Uncle sugar won't let you fail and he only wants control over your life in return.
 
Picket? Seriously? Shake some signs around and try to get them to listen? Nah, I think we need to speak louder than that. ;)

no more new office building, school buildings, medical buildings, hospitals (im working on one now) IT manufacturing facilities, food processing facilities, pipelines, powerplants, etc. where are these new jobs going to be at? McDonalds? Taco Bell? Welfare office?:explosion

people dont give us enough credit....
 
the thing is im a pretty moderate individual and i have always been more than willing to listen to both major political parties stands on almost everything and the level of utter disregard for the people as a hole is disturbing. the fact that our politicians seem content with putting down the working man and idolizing lazy people really gets under my skin. I am unemployed right now, not because someone has held me down or because of anyone else's doing. the economy sucks and ive been laid off twice, it sucks but ill live and ill make it without, essentially, taking money out of the pocket of my neighbors. the political climate right now makes me sick. we are taking advantage of the people that built this country and favoring people who havnt done anything to contribute since the crack pipe touched their lips. its frustrating to say the least.
 
sweet, finally a reason for white people to riot! :D

if i get hurt in said riot, DJ can take me to the hospital i am helping to build in his city (banner ironwood hospital in queen creek az). oh wait, its not done yet so it will have to be one a LOT farther away!:laugh2:
 
I'll grant that I'm no economist (not a trained one, anyhow...) so take this with a grain of salt and correct me if I am wrong.

With that in mind...

The principal problem with our economy is the tax load on every dollar made. The problem with taxes is that nothing is really produced (in a useful economic sense) for the money - with the exception of infrastructure (produced, oddly enough, mainly by white male construction workers...) and public/civil defense (police, firemen, military, et al.) Even those are not directly contributory to the economic net product, although they are a part of the economic gross product (we'd have a hard time doing anything without a useful infrastructure for communications and transportation.)

Money used to pay congresscritters and other "elected representatives" (for whom I rarely vote - the guy I agree with never seems to get in)? Drain on the economy and contributory to devaluation of the dollar.

Middle management in government, concerned with making sure all of their budget gets spent (so they have the same or more next year,) or with preserving their little quasi-fiefdoms to maintain a power base? Drain.

Education? These days, pretty much a drain. They're not really teaching anything useful because of all the "bilingual education" crap and trying so hard to not "offend" or "hurt" anyone - cf. "social promotion" in schools. I've seen a steady degradation since I was in primary education myself. Also symptomatic of the problem is the fact that a more-qualified applicant will often be passed over for a job by someone who is less-qualified, but has a degree (often not germane to the job at hand.) Also, look at all of the "online degree programmes" - problem is, you educate an idiot, he's still an idiot (if you don't learn to learn when you're young, you're boned when you get older. And, with all of the exit exams meant to "test" the "quality" of graduates, we get teachers "teaching to the test" and a flock of parrots. The most common test question when I was in school was some variation on "Why" - because they wanted to check your thought processes. That's part of what makes me so verbose now - I spent about eight years having to justify my answers in primary school, and a couple more years doing the same thing in college.)

The single best thing that could probably be done for the economy would be to A) Stop paying Congresscritters so damned much. They're overpaid, and they don't produce anything. B) If necessary, declare a 'tax holiday' for six months to a year. This would put more money in circulation. C) Institute a "flat tax" (tax experts don't produce one whole Hell of a lot either, except bog paper and firelighters...) Don't make it a 'revenue neutral' plan like they're talking about - government personnel should be reduced anyhow. D) One good thing that may come of all of these "government bailouts" of banks and suchlike is that CEO pay and other compensation may be brought under control. POTUS makes something like $450K per annum, and I think that's a safe cap. If someone is making more than POTUS, I really want to know why. Golden parachutes? If an exec is terminated for cause (read: he screwed up and ran the outfit into the ground,) his parachute will open to reveal an anvil in the pack. Oops. Most of these overpaid CEOs end up putting it all into the bank or into the "luxury" market anyhow, and that doesn't help us either.

@Deadmen - yes, things have always been this deranged. Part of the problem is that people get to breathing that rarefied air in Washington, and lose touch with what we have to go through out here. Part of it is that they get to stay there - a wiser man than me (I wish I could remember who!) said "The system started to come apart when 'politician' became a career choice." Or, as Mark Twain once said, "Suppose you are an idiot. Or suppose you are a member of Congress. But, I repeat myself."

I further quote Mark Twain - "The world does not owe you a living. It doesn't owe you a damned thing - it was here first." Which shows how long this sort of thing has been going on. I've nothing against social support for the elderly, disabled, and retired (although it should go up some - since no-one seems to be able to stay with one corporation long enough to get a pension anymore...) but the "long-term unemployed" are such for a reason, and that reason is typically laziness. I thought unemployment ran out after six months?
 
@Deadmen - yes, things have always been this deranged. Part of the problem is that people get to breathing that rarefied air in Washington, and lose touch with what we have to go through out here. Part of it is that they get to stay there - a wiser man than me (I wish I could remember who!) said "The system started to come apart when 'politician' became a career choice." Or, as Mark Twain once said, "Suppose you are an idiot. Or suppose you are a member of Congress. But, I repeat myself."

I further quote Mark Twain - "The world does not owe you a living. It doesn't owe you a damned thing - it was here first." Which shows how long this sort of thing has been going on. I've nothing against social support for the elderly, disabled, and retired (although it should go up some - since no-one seems to be able to stay with one corporation long enough to get a pension anymore...) but the "long-term unemployed" are such for a reason, and that reason is typically laziness. I thought unemployment ran out after six months?

Thanks. I agree with what you say here, makes a lot of sense. I still say Ron Paul should be in office :worship:
 
I thought unemployment ran out after six months?

There are ways to beat the system, I don't know them offhand, I have 2 jobs which doesn't leave me the time to look for loopholes in the welfare and unemployment program details. I would not be surprised if most of the people on unemployment knew somebody working in the office that would "forget" to file paperwork or refile find some way to keep the money flowing.
Maybe just get a job just long enough to qualify for unemployment and then try to get fired?

~Alex
 
Loopholes, the fact is there are so many people trying and succeeding at getting a piece of your paycheck, it really doesn't pay to work anymore.
The ticks on the arse of society, that figure out a way to carve there little domain and receive an income without producing anything. A job, isn't a job, isn't a job, some actually produce something, some actually perform a necessary service. About half feed off of the producers and the servers. Of that half some are on welfare, while others are government and/or money and/or middlemen.
How many of you have actually calculated your income and where it actually goes. Real income is what you have left over at the end of the month. Real property is anything that can't be taxed and doesn't deteriorate over time.
A little known fact you can actually research yourself. The vast majority of the successful die young. Most of my role model peers have been dead for over ten years and I am by no means unique.
Typical Democratic doctrine is to get the money flowing in a different direction. Some improve their position, others loose. The winners applaud, the loosers complain. The main problem with the Democratic doctrine is it upsets the established order and the results are unpredictable.
Change for changes sake is dumb, you always have to ask the question is the change beneficial or damaging? Way to often the results don't vaguely resemble the original goals.
 
8mud, I find it interesting that we have a Democrat who got elected on a platform of "Hope and Change," but it was another Democrat (probably the last one I would have voted for...) who told us that "Change for its own sake is not necessarily a good thing."

"Hope" is an emitional condition, not a plan.
"Change" isn't always for the better.

But I feel like I'm the only one that sees that around here (Bay Area, CA) - or as Jack Nicholson once said, "In this town I'm the leper with the most fingers."
 
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