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Ecomike

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These are my thoughts tonight on the current outlook for the economy.

While I am thrilled that the stock market rallied today,

the rest of the news, the news about the auto industry and news from Treasury Secretary Paulson the last 7 days (Basically saying he is done with the TARP rescue, not going to do what he said he would do originally, namely buy up the toxic assets, the White House and FDIC at odds with the FDIC women (sorry I forget her name) who posted the way to fix the mortgage mess on the FDIC website recently, she is the one that successfully worked on salvaging Indy bank mortgages at the FDIC the last few months, and she tested the plan which is working, but her boss, Bernanki, GWB and Paulson don't want to promote or use her plan and Paulson has basically said this week he is done for the year, and leaving the job to the incoming administration (the news I just recited came out last weekend and this week in lots of various pieces).

That is what we have heard instead of getting confidence building news from Washington, and has thus again destabilized the banking system, and stock markets. That news of the last few days which seems to have led to an impending fall of Citi bank now, this weeks world wide renewed stock market crashes, all indicate to me that Washington is unable and unwilling to act quickly enough and to spend enough, fast enough to solve the problem. I just read there won't be any, nada, zero, zilch, stimulus package this year, after weeks of news about plans for one. I had high hopes they would pass something to try and stimulate consumer Christmas spending, but that seems to be dead now.

I suspect that Citi Corp (bank), Hartford Insurance, and probably a few more will be sold, or dead in the street next week alone, on Treasury life support or sold this weekend. I also suspect that the Big 3 will be toast by year end, and that unemployment will jump to at least 15% next year, that state governments will go belly up, and so on. Washington just does not get it, and by the time they do get it, it is too late, the damage has already been done. What I don't get is how they fail to realize that what the world needs right now is confidence, and not all the political back and forth of hourly press conference releases saying we have a deal one minute, and no deal the next, which only helps destroy confidence even faster. Fragile markets like we have world wide right now need every bit of confidence they can get.

Like I said it's change the oil and filter now or the engine tomorrow, and Washington is just too dense and slow to get it. Unfortunately by early next year they won't have a Detroit left to even build them an engine.

They had no idea how far the Lehman Brothers Bankruptcy would reach (asleep at the regulatory wheel again) and they don't seem to realize how far the systemic looses will go when the Big 3 go under, and take out the suppliers to the suppliers to the suppliers..... that are in the value chain, along with millions of jobs, and the banks and retirement accounts holding all their debt, or the jobs of people whose jobs depend on the money spent by those who will loose their jobs. I wonder what happens when GMAC financing goes under with Chrysler and GM? What a pleasant thought that is.

It is a shame that a degree in economics is not required to run for public office in Washington, or even an IQ test or common sense test. But I guess if they had any common sense they would not be in Washington anyway.

I heard tonight, that France (the heavily regulated economy, France, yes the one that we make jokes about, is the only country left in Europe with a positive GDP in the third quarter this year. Them and China (or perhaps I should say Asia), I think are the two remaining economies that had positive growth, one a mix of capitalism and communism, the other labeled as heavily socialistic. In other words, both have much more government involvement in regulation and the economy than we do.

I am afraid it will be all over before Obama even gets into office. It may be 2020 before the world gets back to where we were. Oh, and starting a war won't do us any good this time to get out of this recession/depression, we already have 2 under way.

In closing, I hope and pray I am wrong.
 
Re: We are deep shit now!

When the economy starts going bad they always get money from them.

I remember a while back the UAE gave us a big chunk of money to show their faith in America.
 
Re: We are deep shit now!

The government should pay billions of dollars so all of America can go to an exotic vacation retreat and discuss how little money we have.

hasta
 
Re: We are deep shit now!

Recent news:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...-9427-4DC1-8160-D53289B74B81}&dist=TNMostRead

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...-2973-45EC-B090-99579F04D9B5}&dist=TNMostRead

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={3CFB5235-E976-4214-B3C3-AADE16984C59}&siteid=nbsh

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...EC-B090-99579F04D9B5}&siteid=djm_HAMWRSSMktsH

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={56DB4C4F-6FFA-4457-8623-235891DB28C4}&siteid=nbih
 
Re: We are deep shit now!

More evidence of how bad it is now:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081120/bs_afp/financeeconomyusgulf_081120072928

US seeks 300 billion dlrs from Gulf states (middle east)

Come now Mike. "A well informed source". That's just more psuedo news. News without fact is not news, it's gossip. Gossip is what has driven the markets for some time now. Someone says something "may happen" and BAM! the market reacts. If I was someone who wanted the market to react a certain way, I'd plant psuedo news all over the place.

A bit of moderation in finance is what this country needs. That and common sense. Read a planted story for what it is; BS.
 
Re: We are deep shit now!

Try '"highly informed" sources'. I actually read the article. :)
Yup, I read it, processed it, and crapped out something slightly different ;)

The result is the same. It's psuedo news. Just like the "leaks" by government sources that with to remain :anon:. Those are not leaks, they are quite deliberate and used to F' with Wall Street without actually coming right out and doing it.
 
Re: We are deep shit now!

Yup, I read it, processed it, and crapped out something slightly different ;)

The result is the same. It's psuedo news. Just like the "leaks" by government sources that with to remain :anon:. Those are not leaks, they are quite deliberate and used to F' with Wall Street without actually coming right out and doing it.

While you have a point, Wall Street has learned the hard way, that rumors have a way of turning out to be true, vindicated in later news, and that rumors of financial problems, usually denied by the company CEO's usually turn out to be found true, and frequently worse than the rumors.

Their rule is buy (or sell) on the rumor sell (or buy) on the news.
 
After spending alot of time with my family following my grandfather's funeral this week, I welcome great depression 2. We all could use some struggle, it certainly worked for the greatest generation.
 
These are my thoughts tonight on the current outlook for the economy.

While I am thrilled that the stock market rallied today,

the rest of the news, the news about the auto industry and news from Treasury Secretary Paulson the last 7 days (Basically saying he is done with the TARP rescue, not going to do what he said he would do originally, namely buy up the toxic assets, the White House and FDIC at odds with the FDIC women (sorry I forget her name) who posted the way to fix the mortgage mess on the FDIC website recently, she is the one that successfully worked on salvaging Indy bank mortgages at the FDIC the last few months, and she tested the plan which is working, but her boss, Bernanki, GWB and Paulson don't want to promote or use her plan and Paulson has basically said this week he is done for the year, and leaving the job to the incoming administration (the news I just recited came out last weekend and this week in lots of various pieces).

That is what we have heard instead of getting confidence building news from Washington, and has thus again destabilized the banking system, and stock markets. That news of the last few days which seems to have led to an impending fall of Citi bank now, this weeks world wide renewed stock market crashes, all indicate to me that Washington is unable and unwilling to act quickly enough and to spend enough, fast enough to solve the problem. I just read there won't be any, nada, zero, zilch, stimulus package this year, after weeks of news about plans for one. I had high hopes they would pass something to try and stimulate consumer Christmas spending, but that seems to be dead now.

I suspect that Citi Corp (bank), Hartford Insurance, and probably a few more will be sold, or dead in the street next week alone, on Treasury life support or sold this weekend. I also suspect that the Big 3 will be toast by year end, and that unemployment will jump to at least 15% next year, that state governments will go belly up, and so on. Washington just does not get it, and by the time they do get it, it is too late, the damage has already been done. What I don't get is how they fail to realize that what the world needs right now is confidence, and not all the political back and forth of hourly press conference releases saying we have a deal one minute, and no deal the next, which only helps destroy confidence even faster. Fragile markets like we have world wide right now need every bit of confidence they can get.

Like I said it's change the oil and filter now or the engine tomorrow, and Washington is just too dense and slow to get it. Unfortunately by early next year they won't have a Detroit left to even build them an engine.

They had no idea how far the Lehman Brothers Bankruptcy would reach (asleep at the regulatory wheel again) and they don't seem to realize how far the systemic looses will go when the Big 3 go under, and take out the suppliers to the suppliers to the suppliers..... that are in the value chain, along with millions of jobs, and the banks and retirement accounts holding all their debt, or the jobs of people whose jobs depend on the money spent by those who will loose their jobs. I wonder what happens when GMAC financing goes under with Chrysler and GM? What a pleasant thought that is.

It is a shame that a degree in economics is not required to run for public office in Washington, or even an IQ test or common sense test. But I guess if they had any common sense they would not be in Washington anyway.

I heard tonight, that France (the heavily regulated economy, France, yes the one that we make jokes about, is the only country left in Europe with a positive GDP in the third quarter this year. Them and China (or perhaps I should say Asia), I think are the two remaining economies that had positive growth, one a mix of capitalism and communism, the other labeled as heavily socialistic. In other words, both have much more government involvement in regulation and the economy than we do.

I am afraid it will be all over before Obama even gets into office. It may be 2020 before the world gets back to where we were. Oh, and starting a war won't do us any good this time to get out of this recession/depression, we already have 2 under way.

In closing, I hope and pray I am wrong.

The liberals have been pushing for Bush failures for at least 7 years, do you think "Washington" is doing this to make Obama look bad? I would hope not but it seems politics are more important that people.
 
The liberals have been pushing for Bush failures for at least 7 years, do you think "Washington" is doing this to make Obama look bad? I would hope not but it seems politics are more important that people.

Bush needed our help to screw up? LOL.

Yes, seems that devisive politics is more important than people.

I believe that part of the problem now (not the root causes), is that too many of us are telling Washington to let this and that fail, not realising the systemic crash effects those added failures will cause. If 60-70% of the public told their reps to get off their asses and get busy bailing in the boat before it sinks, it might be a little bit different.
 
DO NOT tell me politics is more important than people, the government cares about me! Mike as a tool do you feel using a wrench as a hammer is better, or a hammer as a wrench? I was told to use a hammer, cause the vise grips tear up the bolt heads.
 
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