Executive Experience

Since he can't touch McCain experience-wise, Obama has decided to attack the opposing VP...

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/02/obama-i-have-more-executive-experience-than-palin/

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He can't even get that right....what an idiot...

Seriously what an idiot! I mean, McCain's policies on energy, the economy, and health care are just like Bush's and just as disastrous, but Obama used circular logic in an offhand comment that the fair and balanced fox news agency jumped on and beat to death like it owed them money! How could he be so stupid!

How did I know you'd respond to this....

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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/01/obama-defends-natural-disaster-experience/

Funny, CNN feels the same way. I'm sure I can find other "fair and balanced" news agencies who also have the same view. I dont see how you can twist what he said.

buschwhaked said:

McCain's policies on energy, the economy, and health care are just like Bush's !

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And I'd love to see where you think this is even close to a correct statement....

(BTW, healthcare should not be the responsibility of the Fed Gov - See: Canada and England)

JNickel101 said:

How did I know you'd respond to this....

EDIT:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/01/obama-defends-natural-disaster-experience/

Funny, CNN feels the same way. I'm sure I can find other "fair and balanced" news agencies who also have the same view. I dont see how you can twist what he said.

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Dude, it was a reference to total number of times a story is played. Watch CNN, they talk about a story and move on. Fox News, if the story portrays a Democrat in a bad light, they beat it to death and play it over and over again. Whereas if McCain has a negative story about him come out or says something mildly retarded, they barely mention it. That is definitly not balanced. Research media bias and see how they actually measure it. It's pretty interesting no matter what side of the isle you are on.

EDIT: And just for clarity, I think the comment was pretty stupid too. But everything these guys say is recorded, they're human and bound to say something stupid at some point.

JNickel101 said:

And I'd love to see where you think this is even close to a correct statement....

(BTW, healthcare should not be the responsibility of the Fed Gov - See: Canada and England)

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Let's reverse roles, prove to me that his policies aren't the same.

You made the statement, you need to back it up. I'm lazy. Nickel might have more energy though.

None of the news agencies are "Fair and Balanced". I watch Fox and they are in love with McCain, CNN is in love with Obama. And MSNBC, well they are so bad that 2 of thier guys got the boot from anchorman because they were in love with Obama so much.

fscrig75 said:

None of the news agencies are "Fair and Balanced". I watch Fox and they are in love with McCain, CNN is in love with Obama. And MSNBC, well they are so bad that 2 of thier guys got the boot from anchorman because they were in love with Obama so much.

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Guess thats why they sit behind desks so you won't see the woodies....

Darky said:

You made the statement, you need to back it up. I'm lazy. Nickel might have more energy though.

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Nah, I'm taking a JNickel approach. Don't post up new ideas or actual Obama policy, just nit pick, mock, take out of context, and generally post up unintelligent and unverifiable posts while touting them as the black and white truth. Basically, I'll just regurgitate a Democratic form of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity BS while quoting fair balanced tabloids like the Huffington Post and other sources with an openly Liberal tilt.

Sound like a plan? :yelclap:

buschwhaked said:

Nah, I'm taking a JNickel approach. Don't post up new ideas or actual Obama policy, just nit pick, mock, take out of context, and generally post up unintelligent and unverifiable posts while touting them as the black and white truth. Basically, I'll just regurgitate a Democratic form of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity BS while quoting fair balanced tabloids like the Huffington Post and other sources with an openly Liberal tilt.

Sound like a plan? :yelclap:

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Hey, as long as you're up front about it, I gots no problems.

buschwhaked said:

Nah, I'm taking a JNickel approach. Don't post up new ideas or actual Obama policy, just nit pick, mock, take out of context, and generally post up unintelligent and unverifiable posts while touting them as the black and white truth. Basically, I'll just regurgitate a Democratic form of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity BS while quoting fair balanced tabloids like the Huffington Post and other sources with an openly Liberal tilt.

Sound like a plan? :yelclap:

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Personally, I cant stand Limbaugh...Hannity and Savage though...hmmm...yeah

Obama policy? Kind of an oxy moron....its hard to keep up with what he actually thinks - the only thing he really sticks to is "hope and change". I really can't stand the man - I half expect to see a turd come out of his mouth every time he speaks.

You even admit that his statement was dumb - need we say anymore? That was the only point I said - Obama = idiot, yet again...

And just as a start....McCain opposes drilling in ANWR....

I think its funny that you must actually think Obama's energy policy and his "lets give free healthcare to everyone, even though its going to suck ass, and the middle/upper class will be paying for it b/c I'm going to increase their taxes even more, and socialize things even more" ideas are good....

Just for the record - I dont "love" McCain. I think there are/were better candidates. I think all politicians suck, its just that liberals/democrats seem to suck so much more...I disagree with damn near all of their platforms, especially the ones that want to take more of my money and give it to people who do not do anything to deserve it.

JNickel101 said:

Personally, I cant stand Limbaugh...Hannity and Savage though...hmmm...yeah

Obama policy? Kind of an oxy moron....its hard to keep up with what he actually thinks - the only thing he really sticks to is "hope and change". I really can't stand the man - I half expect to see a turd come out of his mouth every time he speaks.

"Change" is the new slogan of McCain's campaign now. He's 50% of the way there. Regression towards the mean.

You even admit that his statement was dumb - need we say anymore? That was the only point I said - Obama = idiot, yet again...

And just as a start....McCain opposes drilling in ANWR....

I think its funny that you must actually think Obama's energy policy and his "lets give free healthcare to everyone, even though its going to suck ass, and the middle/upper class will be paying for it b/c I'm going to increase their taxes even more, and socialize things even more" ideas are good....

And McCain doesn't give two sh*t's about the middle class and could care less about them. No not true. Neither is your assumption on Obama's healthcare plan. Go to his website, you can read it there. That was Hillary's plan, Obama's, by liberal standards, is pretty conservative.

Just for the record - I dont "love" McCain. I think there are/were better candidates. I think all politicians suck, its just that liberals/democrats seem to suck so much more...I disagree with damn near all of their platforms, especially the ones that want to take more of my money and give it to people who do not do anything to deserve it.

Well, considering you're in the AF you're not a multi millionare so you would actually save more money under Obama's plan. Once again, do more research.

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You make assumptions based on what you hear from other people about Democrats. Do some real research, it will really open your eyes. I'm an avid listener to Limbaugh and Hannity. Not because I agree with what they say, but to try and see where conservatives stand. But even then, I don't take them or anyone at face value. Find the raw data that isn't filtered through. I don't think Obama is perfect, but one thing is right, McCain has voted with Bush 90% of the time. Voting records can be damning, and in this case, I would rather take a shot on a guy who is outside the establishment than a guy who helped push through some of the worst legislation and policies in history. IMHO, Bush is at best an idealogical idiot and at worst a criminal, with McCain being an enabler of that direction. McCain is four more years of the same.

Oh, and since you're a vet, McCain has actually voted AGAINST more funding and research for the VA than any veteran ever should have and still be able to sleep at night. The new GI Bill is the most publicised, but the one I find the most distasteful is the fact that he voted AGAINST $5M in additional research money for TBI. With a friend still in Walter Reid (he just past his 1yr anniversary there) because of a TBI, that vote really pisses me off. So vote McCain because someone told you to, because the information you view was spun in his direction and/or glossed over some uncomfortable facts.

buschwhaked said:

You make assumptions based on what you hear from other people about Democrats. Do some real research, it will really open your eyes. I'm an avid listener to Limbaugh and Hannity. Not because I agree with what they say, but to try and see where conservatives stand. But even then, I don't take them or anyone at face value. Find the raw data that isn't filtered through. I don't think Obama is perfect, but one thing is right, McCain has voted with Bush 90% of the time. Voting records can be damning, and in this case, I would rather take a shot on a guy who is outside the establishment than a guy who helped push through some of the worst legislation and policies in history. IMHO, Bush is at best an idealogical idiot and at worst a criminal, with McCain being an enabler of that direction. McCain is four more years of the same.

Oh, and since you're a vet, McCain has actually voted AGAINST more funding and research for the VA than any veteran ever should have and still be able to sleep at night. The new GI Bill is the most publicised, but the one I find the most distasteful is the fact that he voted AGAINST $5M in additional research money for TBI. With a friend still in Walter Reid (he just past his 1yr anniversary there) because of a TBI, that vote really pisses me off. So vote McCain because someone told you to, because the information you view was spun in his direction and/or glossed over some uncomfortable facts.

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I have yet to see where McCain's slogan is now Change....last I saw, its Reform*Prosperity*Peace

I think for myself buddy, and again...I dont love McCain, but he's the lesser of the two evils (the other just might be the anti-christ).

You sound just like someone re-reading shit from the Obama camp. I'm really tired of reading/replying to you. I really thought long and hard about this, but you're quite possibly only the 2nd person I've met in the military who supports Obama (the other was a liberal ass Intel Major I worked with, who was from California). And NO...I wouldn't save any money with Obama's plan. Just so you know, the upper 50% of wage earners in this country pay 100% of the taxes. The bottom 50% either pay no taxes, or get refunds for more than what they paid in!!! Obama wants to tax every one of them even more. McCain's tax plan would reduce my taxes.

Regardless of what Obama's plan might be, budgets and decisions on healthcare will be pushed through by Congress. If a Democrat controlled Congress pushes through legislation, Obama will sign off on it. McCain, well, at least you have a 50/50 chance.

I just read Obama's healthcare plan - right off the bat - "everyone gets healthcare/National Healthcare" - Socialism. One thing that I think either candidate fails to address is limiting the amount of money that people can sue a doctor for, for malpractice. When I hear someone getting $400 million for "pain and suffering", because they were a 400 pound fatass who probably shouldn't have undergone the surgery to begin with - it makes me sick. The reason healthcare is so expensive in this country is because malpractice insurance is sky high.

Oh...and yeah, lets give every idiot in this country cheap/free healthcare. You'll see emergency rooms overflowing with every hypochondriac out there constantly thinking there is something wrong with them.

It just floors me that you're in the military...

buschwhaked said:

You make assumptions based on what you hear from other people about Democrats. Do some real research, it will really open your eyes. I'm an avid listener to Limbaugh and Hannity. Not because I agree with what they say, but to try and see where conservatives stand. But even then, I don't take them or anyone at face value. Find the raw data that isn't filtered through. I don't think Obama is perfect, but one thing is right, McCain has voted with Bush 90% of the time. Voting records can be damning, and in this case, I would rather take a shot on a guy who is outside the establishment than a guy who helped push through some of the worst legislation and policies in history. IMHO, Bush is at best an idealogical idiot and at worst a criminal, with McCain being an enabler of that direction. McCain is four more years of the same.

Oh, and since you're a vet, McCain has actually voted AGAINST more funding and research for the VA than any veteran ever should have and still be able to sleep at night. The new GI Bill is the most publicised, but the one I find the most distasteful is the fact that he voted AGAINST $5M in additional research money for TBI. With a friend still in Walter Reid (he just past his 1yr anniversary there) because of a TBI, that vote really pisses me off. So vote McCain because someone told you to, because the information you view was spun in his direction and/or glossed over some uncomfortable facts.

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Regarding voting....

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

So you basically think that any republican would = 4 years of the same. Or we could go with Obama, who doesn't have a mind of his own and just votes with his party every time.

I tell every Obama supporter I see to stop and think for themselves for once....

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-voted-with-bush-90-uh-95-of-time.html

The website name is funny, but it actually has good references - anyway...more reading on who thinks for themselves...Biden and Obaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaama both vote "with party" 96%+ of the time....

Sheep....

My 2 cents Look down

I've been watching Obama, whenever he is off the prepared speeches it becomes obvious he is a follower and not a leader. He seems broght enough, just unsure of himself.
Much the same as Bush for different reasons, who often doesn't seem bright enough to lead anything.
If Obama becomes president, he will likely be managed by a committee, directed by the far left. Look behind the President and see who his cabinet is likely to be, which may be more relevant than the actual figurehead.
Rumsfeld gave poor advice, either because he felt it was necessary to achieve his goals or just let his hawkishness influenced him a bit too much. Chenney is agenda driven and seems to plan way too far ahead for most people to appreciate.
Ask yourself who is going to be pulling Obama's strings? Pelosi? Maybe Biden (actually a good choice, so not likely). Kennedy is out of the picture, but his staff is still around.
McCain is a leader and obviously has political skills, his vice President has brains, boobs and can skin a moose.
McCain seems well suited to hold his own and unlikely to be a puppet. Palin is likely to be a good representative for the US.

The economy, 9/11 destroyed a trillion dollars worth of financial records. Say what you will, but this administration had the economy up and running fairly quickly and seamlessly afterwards.
Homeland security cost billions.
The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq cost billions.
The Saudis and others restarted the oil wars, OPEC!!!!
Katrina cost billions.
I'm actually amazed the economy is doing as well as it is. It's been a long time since a single administration has taken this many hits (WW II ?), I seriously have to applaud these guys, not condemn them. They are either doing a really good job of hidding the facts or we are actually in pretty good shape considering.

8Mud said:

I've been watching Obama, whenever he is off the prepared speeches it becomes obvious he is a follower and not a leader. He seems broght enough, just unsure of himself.
Much the same as Bush for different reasons, who often doesn't seem bright enough to lead anything.
If Obama becomes president, he will likely be managed by a committee, directed by the far left. Look behind the President and see who his cabinet is likely to be, which may be more relevant than the actual figurehead.
Rumsfeld gave poor advice, either because he felt it was necessary to achieve his goals or just let his hawkishness influenced him a bit too much. Chenney is agenda driven and seems to plan way too far ahead for most people to appreciate.
Ask yourself who is going to be pulling Obama's strings? Pelosi? Maybe Biden (actually a good choice, so not likely). Kennedy is out of the picture, but his staff is still around.
McCain is a leader and obviously has political skills, his vice President has brains, boobs and can skin a moose.
McCain seems well suited to hold his own and unlikely to be a puppet. Palin is likely to be a good representative for the US.

The economy, 9/11 destroyed a trillion dollars worth of financial records. Say what you will, but this administration had the economy up and running fairly quickly and seamlessly afterwards.
Homeland security cost billions.
The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq cost billions.
The Saudis and others restarted the oil wars, OPEC!!!!
Katrina cost billions.
I'm actually amazed the economy is doing as well as it is. It's been a long time since a single administration has taken this many hits (WW II ?), I seriously have to applaud these guys, not condemn them. They are either doing a really good job of hidding the facts or we are actually in pretty good shape considering.

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:thumbup: :cheers:

Great post!

buschwhaked said:

You make assumptions based on what you hear from other people about Democrats. Do some real research, it will really open your eyes. I'm an avid listener to Limbaugh and Hannity. Not because I agree with what they say, but to try and see where conservatives stand. But even then, I don't take them or anyone at face value. Find the raw data that isn't filtered through. I don't think Obama is perfect, but one thing is right, McCain has voted with Bush 90% of the time. Voting records can be damning, and in this case, I would rather take a shot on a guy who is outside the establishment than a guy who helped push through some of the worst legislation and policies in history. IMHO, Bush is at best an idealogical idiot and at worst a criminal, with McCain being an enabler of that direction. McCain is four more years of the same.

Oh, and since you're a vet, McCain has actually voted AGAINST more funding and research for the VA than any veteran ever should have and still be able to sleep at night. The new GI Bill is the most publicised, but the one I find the most distasteful is the fact that he voted AGAINST $5M in additional research money for TBI. With a friend still in Walter Reid (he just past his 1yr anniversary there) because of a TBI, that vote really pisses me off. So vote McCain because someone told you to, because the information you view was spun in his direction and/or glossed over some uncomfortable facts.

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Oh ya....speaking of VA and veterens....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25866166/

Hmm...visit wounded troops, or spout off one of my speeches to a bunch of Euro leaders....hmmmmmm....

asshole...

JNickel101 said:

Oh ya....speaking of VA and veterens....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25866166/

Hmm...visit wounded troops, or spout off one of my speeches to a bunch of Euro leaders....hmmmmmm....

asshole...

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Dude, it was a loose loose situation for him. If he had gone, McCain would have slammed him for politicizing wounded troops and since he took the high road and didn't go, now McCain's people are making it sound like he doesn't care. But once again, you fail to bring up an effective counter point, instead grabbing for an emotion issue with obviously thick layers of spin applied.