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Skullver
August 18th, 2008, 21:48
I am fuming right now!

Got a hold of Mitsubishi of Anaheim through autotrader about a 1996 Dodge 2500 diesel 4x4 to tow the race truck, the guy TJ I talked to told me he would hold the truck for me and to get down there(I told him I for sure wanted it and offered up a non-refundable deposit which he declined and said no problem just get down here the truck is good as yours), around 90 miles through the thick of the LA traffic, (reads 2+hours of hell each way). So I get there and the truck is nowhere to be seen, I start freaking out until I see it pull up and some old dude gets out and starts talking about going to the nearest wells fargo, then I got ANGRY.

Long story short he sold it as I pulled in( he even called me twice as I was heading down to make sure I was coming, probably with the older dude right there playing the price), it seemed like he was playing both of us, he never told me that there was a possibility it would be sold. This is bad but what really got me is he didn't even apologize but in the same breath tells me he has a Toyota he could hook me up with, I told him in some not so kind words that I could very easily put that yota where I thought it belonged, and that is definitely not in front of my race truck.

Needless to say I am super disappointed and absolutely fuming mad, no offense to any of you honest car salesmen(I have met one or two). I can see his position about not taking dibs due to flakes but at least be honest as opposed to I have YOUR keys right here, he thought he could lure me down there and sell me some other pos and never had any intention of "holding" the truck for me, and another guy had even said the older guy had been there the previous day about the truck which was not mentioned to me.

Anyways I am in the market for a Dodge 2500 diesel 4x4 if any of you guys have a line on one or know where I can find one(have cash$$), I am not scared to drive across the country(as long as the truck WILL be there), whatever it takes.

Sorry but had to vent, may seem like no biggie but the truck was like nothing I have been able to find(and most likely never will:(), 77k original miles, long bed, camper shell, crew cab...basically my dream truck....gone!

Thanks

cal
August 18th, 2008, 21:51
1) You should be buying ford.

2) Call Goatman. Even if you don't want a Ford, you should call Goatman.

Skullver
August 18th, 2008, 21:54
1) You should be buying ford.

2) Call Goatman. Even if you don't want a Ford, you should call Goatman.
I am open to options, but sort of set on Cummins. What is the deal with goatman??
Thanks
Chris

cal
August 18th, 2008, 21:55
I am open to options, but sort of set on Cummins. What is the deal with goatman??
Thanks
Chris

He's the used car manager for one of the largest ford dealerships on the west coast, specializing in trucks.

tcm glx
August 18th, 2008, 21:57
Damn that sucks Chris.......freakin people man!!

NW-ZJ-SCOTT
August 18th, 2008, 21:59
1) You should be buying ford.

:wstupid:

Skullver
August 18th, 2008, 22:01
He's the used car manager for one of the largest ford dealerships on the west coast, specializing in trucks.
sounds good to me, if somebody could pm me his number, email addy/contact info I will give him a call tomorrow. I have a few more leads but nothing very exciting at this point.
Thanks

cal
August 18th, 2008, 22:07
PM'd.

Stallacrew
August 18th, 2008, 22:11
We have a large truck lot here in town and usually has some really good Dodge 2500's if you really did want to drive across the country to get one, then Alabama is no better place. This lot usually only carries big 2500/3500 trucks. I'm in the middle of building a stroker so I won't just run look at them for you unless you really might drive here to get one (I really really doubt it). But if you did and you drove down in a car you wanted to just leave with me (forever) that'd be cool with me too.

Just throwing that out there for you. I really can go check if you really do wanna drive down here.

--Alex

cracker
August 18th, 2008, 22:12
I am open to options, but sort of set on Cummins. What is the deal with goatman??
Thanks
Chris

You are looking at this the COMPLETELY wrong way

With these trucks weigh the negatives NOT the positives.

DODGE: Cummins=best / tranny=worst / rest of vehicle = questionable / axles = solid
CHEVY: Engine = blah / Tranny = best / rest of vehicle = ok / axles = ifs :puke:
FORD: Engine = OK / Tranny (2003+) = good / rest of vehicle = ok / axles = solid

All have a metric ****ton of power so don't worry about that but if I had the option I would have a Cummins engine with an allison tranny and a ford chassis/suspension ;)

Skullver
August 18th, 2008, 22:16
We have a large truck lot here in town and usually has some really good Dodge 2500's if you really did want to drive across the country to get one, then Alabama is no better place. This lot usually only carries big 2500/3500 trucks. I'm in the middle of building a stroker so I won't just run look at them for you unless you really might drive here to get one (I really really doubt it). But if you did and you drove down in a car you wanted to just leave with me (forever) that'd be cool with me too.

Just throwing that out there for you. I really can go check if you really do wanna drive down here.

--Alexthanks much, I just got back from Arkansas but if the right deal came along I would cash in some miles and fly out there and drive home, I'll let you know if my poor luck continues around here, appreciate the offer and good luck with the stroking:)

silverslk
August 18th, 2008, 22:19
Whats your price range? 4x4 or not? long bed? short bed? 4 door? x-cab?

I surf the net all day and always find deals. I'll look for you if you can tell me what.


http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/799802804.html

Don't know what "cosmetic" means to him.......

Stealth
August 18th, 2008, 22:19
man that blows.... i have had similar storries about salesmen in general... i got a buddy thats a sales maneger at sunrise ford that can hook you up.. they dont have a huge selsection of used trucks though....

i agree with cracker.... the cummins are one of the best engines.. but too bad its stuck onto a dodge body... those trucks are a POS....

chevy will give you a good tranny and a great ride... but thats about it...

the ford is a pretty good all around truck... if you want reliable go with a 7.3L... but their trans suck so right off the bat get it rebuilt with at least a valve body and tripple disc TC... talk to John woods for a built trans... after that their isnt a whole lot wrong with the 7.3L

some engine mods will help it get faster....

let me know if you have any questions about the ford Powrstrokes.... im more familiar with the PSD since i drive one than i am of the cummins and duramax

-Raul

Skullver
August 18th, 2008, 22:24
Whats your price range? 4x4 or not? long bed? short bed? 4 door? x-cab?

I surf the net all day and always find deals. I'll look for you if you can tell me what.
4x4 diesel are my only musts, I have been on the net literally since I sold my truck 2 days ago(local dealers have NOTHING), I am on a mission. Please let me know if you do find something though, I have hit every craigslist, autotrader, tradeexpress, ebay add within 500 miles of me and that radius only seems to be growing, nobody wants to get rid of their cummins unless it has over 100k miles it seems, or $20k plus which is out of my range. Thanks though, I would be very thankfull!

Stealth
August 18th, 2008, 22:26
whats the price range.... i saw a 2004 cummins crew cab short bed with 64k on the clock for 12k.. crap but it wasnt 4x4... ill search and see what i can find

GauchoMD
August 18th, 2008, 22:39
That sucks Chris, there is a small lot here in Santa Barbara that sells mostly fullsize trucks and vans and doesn't seem to advertise online or on trade express, I'll see if there is any fullsize 4x4 diesel there under 20K for you tomorrow if I get a chance...

swbooking
August 18th, 2008, 22:46
Dude i hate car salesmen(most of them anyways). They're always dicking around with people. It pisses me off.

FWIW, Jimmy's Dad has a Cummins 2500 Diesel 4x4 and loves it. He goes everywhere and tows everything with it.

Good luck finding one.

P.S. dont go Ford. **** that. :D

SPORTY XJ
August 18th, 2008, 22:52
That sucks you should of talked to his boss the POS should at least paid your gas

Monkey55
August 18th, 2008, 23:49
1) You should be buying ford.


Oh Cal............................................... ......................

I won't say it, but you know what I'm thinking.. :D ... :kissyou:


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cal
August 19th, 2008, 00:20
Oh Cal............................................... ......................

I won't say it, but you know what I'm thinking.. :D ... :kissyou:


E

That you should ditch your 63 chevy and pickup a ford like a man? ;)

crazyjim
August 19th, 2008, 06:56
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2455941157_72b03dba75.jpg

FordGuy
August 19th, 2008, 07:18
Next time deal with someone who has the authority to make a decision. A sales person can't hold a vehicle. They are fine to deal with once your on the lot, but to hold a vehicle when most people are more full of shit then the salespeople, what would you expect. Always speak to the Desk(Salesmanager, G.S.M, or G.M) they won't normally make that mistake, and if they do, you can at least bitch at the owner. I would not buy a Ford 6.0l unless it is still under the 5/100 engine Warranty, once all the issues are repaired they are great, but if you get a hold of one that has some of the problems left, you will want to slit you wrist later on.

RWKHausSupply
August 19th, 2008, 07:49
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/2455941157_72b03dba75.jpg


I have to start it!

So what is foreign these days? I know my 2008 Sequoia has more $ going to the US market (and pays more US paychecks of those building or manufacturing) then that ford or a chevy does...

Well I found a lot of good ford deisel 4x4 F250 and F350s lately, when I looked. My buddy Rich just picked up a 2006 4x4 F250 short bed crew w 32K on it for 24K$. and daym is that thing loaded.

You should go down to a BIG ford (ok or dodge) dealer and see what they have on lot in used, and just start haggling. You know the market is so bad for a big truck right now that they are going for like 40% less then they were a yr and a half ago.

I would go find one, haggle, then LEAVE! go home go on edmunds.com and look at true market value for that truck in your area, then go back with it printed in hand, then tell him you want X amount less then what it shows and you will take it off thier hands... the wrost you will get is a rebutle price.

Good luck Chris...

FordGuy
August 19th, 2008, 08:02
[quote=ROBERTK]I have to start it!

So what is foreign these days? I know my 2008 Sequoia has more $ going to the US market (and pays more US paychecks of those building or manufacturing) then that ford or a chevy does...

I would like to know how you have come to that conclusion. Even though a lot of Foreign Vehicles are built here, the profits still leave this country. At least our domestic glass towers are in this Country.

You are right about the huge drop in value of full size trucks, it's crazy and I would doubt you will ever see this again. It is the best time to take advantage of this, and the only time that might get better is Dec when everyone needs to drop there Used Car inventories and the book value change takes place. I would not necessarily go to the Bigger Dealerships, I would hunt at the dealers who are hurting the most. There are only two profitable Ford stores in all of O.C,(Luckily I work at one) the rest are bleeding.

Goatman
August 19th, 2008, 08:24
Look in the SoCal for sale forum, my '96 F250 is listed there. This truck is bullet proof. Very few folks consider the Cummins a better motor than the Ford 7.3, moslty the folks who go for pure power. The Cummins can be modded for more maximum power than the Ford since the Powerstroke is limited in max power by the high pressure oil injection system.......which works very well for everyday use. The 7.3 is tough, and regularly goes over 500k. Most also consider the Ford truck itself to have better long term durability than the Dodge. An old body style Ford Powerstoke is a pretty sure bet........I have two of them. :)

And I really need to sell one. Mine is in very good condition, plenty of upgrades, the tranny is fresh with heavy duty and performance upgrades (3k spent on trans), I installed an intercooler to keep the EGT's down, and gauges. I hate to sell this truck, it's by far my favorite truck I've ever owned.

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?p=244010017#post244010017



I can also talk about used car salesmen, but I don't have time right now. :D



Oh, and I don't worry about the miles on these trucks, the one I'm replacing this one with has 187k on it right now. Check the valve cover cap for blow by, and if it's just a few wisps it's fine. If it puffs, run away as fast as you can.

RWKHausSupply
August 19th, 2008, 08:27
[quote=ROBERTK]I have to start it!

So what is foreign these days? I know my 2008 Sequoia has more $ going to the US market (and pays more US paychecks of those building or manufacturing) then that ford or a chevy does...

I would like to know how you have come to that conclusion. Even though a lot of Foreign Vehicles are built here, the profits still leave this country. At least our domestic glass towers are in this Country.

.

Yep, more money in to the shareholders and presidents pocket with the big three here in US. More money in to US work force (design,manufacturing, assembly ect)with toyota. rather give to the blue collar crowd, but yes the big wigs in japan that get the big profits are not in the US.

In any case.
2005 Ford F-250 Super Duty 4 Dr Lariat 4WD Crew Cab SBhttp://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/sitewide/tmv_pricing_horiz_blue_141x24.gifTrade-In (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/ford/f250superduty/100415304/options.html?tmvaction=vdpresult#)Private Party (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/ford/f250superduty/100415304/options.html?tmvaction=vdpresult#)Dealer Retail (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/ford/f250superduty/100415304/options.html?tmvaction=vdpresult#)National Base Price (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/ford/f250superduty/100415304/options.html?tmvaction=vdpresult#)$15,507$17,977$1 9,841Optional Equipment (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/ford/f250superduty/100415304/options.html?tmvaction=vdpresult#)$3,729$4,295$5,2 50Camper/Towing Package$131$151$184Automatic Locking Hubs$57$65$80Automatic Climate Control$293$337$4126.0L Turbocharged Diesel V8 OHV 32V FI Engine$1,569$1,808$2,2105-Speed Automatic Transmission$459$529$646Trailer Hitch$54$62$76Power Adjustable Pedals$37$43$52King Ranch Package$980$1,129$1,380Limited Slip Differential (Rear)$92$106$130Power Horizontal Sliding Rear Window$57$65$80Color Adjustment (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/ford/f250superduty/100415304/options.html?tmvaction=vdpresult#)
White$-5$-5$-6Regional Adjustment (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/ford/f250superduty/100415304/options.html?tmvaction=vdpresult#)
for Zip Code 92886$50$58$64Mileage Adjustment (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/ford/f250superduty/100415304/options.html?tmvaction=vdpresult#)
36,000 miles$482$482$482Condition Adjustment (http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/ford/f250superduty/100415304/options.html?tmvaction=vdpresult#)
Clean$0$0$0Total$19,763$22,807$25,631


SO bascially you can go get (if you found this exact truck that is) Fords best, highest optioned, nicest ride out there in a 250 for about 22K at a dealer right now. Take off the king ranch package and your in your 20K range!

OK that didnt paste very well... haha

Basically every option that you would want adn then some in a locaed 4x4 F250 for dealer sug retail of 25K and offer 22,000$....

FordGuy
August 19th, 2008, 08:34
Goatman is right about the old 7.3, they never quit. The trans was the only issue they ever had. The other good thing about the 7.3 is you can repair them at a decent cost, Heads on a 6.0l installed is 7k.

Skullver
August 19th, 2008, 08:38
I was dealing with the "internet sales manager" from the get go and while calling the main number asked each time for the"man in charge", this TJ character was that guy. I was not able to talk to anybody else about that particular truck, which I did not really worry about....at the time. Why would you place an internet sales ad if you are not going to let somebody come and look at the damn thing without a small bit of security that it would be there, two hours is not a long time??? how does that work? I am going to try and track down the actual owner of the franchise and have a nice chat with him about good ol' TJ, I already filed a complaint with the bbb, the ad for the truck is still up and yet it is long gone, trying to lure another sucker down there I wonder? Note it says verified to be available as of 8/19:(:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=250048212&dealer_id=97553&search_type=used&distance=100&address=93003&style_flag=2&body_style=TRUCKS&make=DODGE&model=&make2=&start_year=1981&end_year=2009&min_price=&max_price=12000&transmission=Automatic&engine=&drive=4+wheel+drive&doors=&fuel=Diesel&max_mileage=&color=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&certified=&advanced=y&default_sort=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=


He assured me more than once that the truck was mine. I worried about it the whole drive and tried to get there as soon as possible but...I guess it was not in the cards.

Every single Dodge dealer that I went to did not have ONE single used 2500 diesel 4x4, and I hit a bunch down there, one dealer even said I do not even know where to send you except the internet. I am aware of the trans issues with the dodges but there are so many guys out there that have over 500k miles on their trucks, that is what I am looking for, whether or not I can hold out for the next "perfect" Dodge remains to bee seen, I am actually starting to browse at fords a bit more, the low resale value sort of scares me though.

I went to a shady little office in anaheim also that REEKED of currie and had huge green flies buzzing around, some huge fat troll threw me the keys to another Dodge, I go out there and the thing is leaking oil all over, had some super hokey lift kit on it with a drop trackbar bracket that was literally in contact with the dif cover at ride height, and the column was busted as it was a prior bank repo, I ran away fast.

In all my research, The Dodge cummins is the hardest to find. There are TONS of Fords and Chevys for sale right now, which worries me a bit. I have a buddy who has a 2007 Duramax, that thing has been in the shop moer than on the road, I may be interested in an older dmax but not likely unless it is a smoking deal.

Stealth
August 19th, 2008, 08:46
i think the reason their are far more chevy's and fords on the market is because they sell more then the dodge.... i see a lot more Fords than anything else on the job site (construction) we have owned nothing but ford trucks... i have a 97 OBS gasser even with 280k+ miles on it and its still running strong

i woudnt shy away from a 7.3L.. they are easier to find and will hold up better than the dodge or chevy... the MPG wont be as good as the cummins but the trucks are better...

if you stick to the SD version 99-03 7.3L you should be good.. i found a bunch for under 15k

Skullver
August 19th, 2008, 08:54
i think the reason their are far more chevy's and fords on the market is because they sell more then the dodge.... i see a lot more Fords than anything else on the job site (construction) we have owned nothing but ford trucks... i have a 97 OBS gasser even with 280k+ miles on it and its still running strong

i woudnt shy away from a 7.3L.. they are easier to find and will hold up better than the dodge or chevy... the MPG wont be as good as the cummins but the trucks are better...

if you stick to the SD version 99-03 7.3L you should be good.. i found a bunch for under 15k
hmmm, good info. There are so many opinions out there but they all seem to be similar to what Cracker stated(and you reinforced), that summed it up pretty good. I sent an email to Goatman, I would prefer to give my hard earned cash to somebody that is trusted, and he seems to be the guy. I have another car to drive around so I am not hurting for a truck, just very antsy.

Thanks a bunch guys, I actually feel a bit better, I was really bummed out yesterday but things will work out if I don't rush into anything. Any more advice/experiences would be greatly appreciated, I am very new to the diesel thing.
Chris

FordGuy
August 19th, 2008, 08:55
I would definitely let the G.M know what happened, most would want to know, and it always make you feel better after a good bitch session!

Goatman
August 19th, 2008, 09:13
Call me, I'm on vacation and leaving in a few minutes for a week.

661-706-1600

If you decided on a Ford, don't worry about this one, plenty of guys around here have seen this truck. And, yes, I'm anxious to sell it.......

You have to go easy on the throttle though, it'll light up the back tires. This is the best running OBS truck I've ever driven. :)

Stealth
August 19th, 2008, 10:56
hmmm, good info. There are so many opinions out there but they all seem to be similar to what Cracker stated(and you reinforced), that summed it up pretty good. I sent an email to Goatman, I would prefer to give my hard earned cash to somebody that is trusted, and he seems to be the guy. I have another car to drive around so I am not hurting for a truck, just very antsy.

Thanks a bunch guys, I actually feel a bit better, I was really bummed out yesterday but things will work out if I don't rush into anything. Any more advice/experiences would be greatly appreciated, I am very new to the diesel thing.
Chris

np bud.. im actually searching for my 3rd powerstroke... im actually gonna try and go with a 05 6.0L

the 6.0l have been given a bad rap because of the earlier years but they are very good engines once you fix the known issue... which are head studs and EGR....

you can usually get the studs changed through warranty work (labor only) you supply the ARP studs (around 500 bucks)... You can also Delete the EGR for very cheap... just need to pull it out and weld a lil...

if you go with a 94.5-97 PSD you can easily mod it to be very reliable... they are actually cheaper to upgrade stuff like injectors than the 99-03 7.3L... a custom tuned chip will do wonders to make them come a live...

Pm me if you have any questions bud...ill be more than happy to help on your search for a diesel truck

-Raul

FordGuy
August 19th, 2008, 11:07
np bud.. im actually searching for my 3rd powerstroke... im actually gonna try and go with a 05 6.0L

the 6.0l have been given a bad rap because of the earlier years but they are very good engines once you fix the known issue... which are head studs and EGR....

you can usually get the studs changed through warranty work (labor only) you supply the ARP studs (around 500 bucks)... You can also Delete the EGR for very cheap... just need to pull it out and weld a lil...

if you go with a 94.5-97 PSD you can easily mod it to be very reliable... they are actually cheaper to upgrade stuff like injectors than the 99-03 7.3L... a custom tuned chip will do wonders to make them come a live...

Pm me if you have any questions bud...ill be more than happy to help on your search for a diesel truck

-Raul

A little heads up on the ARP studs, They don't fix anything and are a complete waste of money. It is not a clamp force issue, It is a Head gasket design problem and/or cylinder head design problem.
We have done hundreds and hundreds of 6.0l head repairs, and many already had the ARP studs. We just end up redoing the repair correctly and then the only repeating issues are oil cooler and EGR.

Stealth
August 19th, 2008, 11:14
k... just going off of info that my buddy gave me on the 6.0L(ford diesel tech) said first thing to do is the studs and egr delete....

FordGuy
August 19th, 2008, 11:32
k... just going off of info that my buddy gave me on the 6.0L(ford diesel tech) said first thing to do is the studs and egr delete....

The EGR's are a pain in the ass, but I have not seen any long term info yet on the delete. What I do know is a new engine is 16k, so I am hesitant to do something that is not proved to have durability.

Skullver
August 19th, 2008, 14:40
great discussion guys! I have never owned a diesel truck so it is great to hear from guys that do/have.

At this point I am still thinking a Dodge would be my best bet(although Goatmans Ford is VERY nice), and have found a possible in Phoenix area so...on to my next question, is there ANY possible issue with registering a 2001 ram 2500 diesel in Ca that is currently Az registered? I can't really forsee any problems but I'm sure you more experienced diesel guys would know. Anything I should watch out for?

Thanks a bunch guys, you are an invaluable resource, my membership dues have payed for themselves many many times over!

cracker
August 19th, 2008, 14:48
A little heads up on the ARP studs, They don't fix anything and are a complete waste of money. It is not a clamp force issue, It is a Head gasket design problem and/or cylinder head design problem.
We have done hundreds and hundreds of 6.0l head repairs, and many already had the ARP studs. We just end up redoing the repair correctly and then the only repeating issues are oil cooler and EGR.

Got off the phone with Goat and he said that the issues with the head gasket are mostly results from chipping and boosting the power. Leaving it stock almost eliminates the issue. He also mentioned that Ford redesigned the head gasket.

great discussion guys! I have never owned a diesel truck so it is great to hear from guys that do/have.

At this point I am still thinking a Dodge would be my best bet(although Goatmans Ford is VERY nice), and have found a possible in Phoenix area so...on to my next question, is there ANY possible issue with registering a 2001 ram 2500 diesel in Ca that is currently Az registered? I can't really forsee any problems but I'm sure you more experienced diesel guys would know. Anything I should watch out for?

Thanks a bunch guys, you are an invaluable resource, my membership dues have payed for themselves many many times over!

Brave man getting a Dodge. I could never do it. Good luck and get AAA Premium :thumbup:

jeeperjohn
August 19th, 2008, 14:51
That sounds alot like the old bait and switch. If the dude knew he had another buyer then he broke the law when he told you it's yours. I'd contact a lawyer and pinch the dealership for a nice little settlement.

Skullver
August 19th, 2008, 14:55
Brave man getting a Dodge. I could never do it. Good luck and get AAA Premium :thumbup:
you know, all I can do is research as I can't go out and simultaneously own and drive them all. And from my extensive research the Dodge issues are something I can live with, and just sort of pigheaded all around so once I make up my mind, is takes an act of god to change it:) I have buddies of buddies who have the dodge diesel trucks and have yet to hear of any of them having problems, yet. I hear you and I do appreciate your input!

I am a jeep owner, of course I have AAA premium, how the heck else am I going to tow all my junker projects around? but anyways if my Dodge takes a crap, you guys will be the first to know about it, that I can guarantee.

Skullver
August 19th, 2008, 15:07
That sounds alot like the old bait and switch. If the dude knew he had another buyer then he broke the law when he told you it's yours. I'd contact a lawyer and pinch the dealership for a nice little settlement.
That is exactly what I thought. I just have no way to prove it other than my word. I would love to sue them but would be happy with somebody losing their job over it, realistically though, I am just happy those scumbags didn't get a dime from me and will leave it at that unless the BBB gets back to me with some possible solutions, I am not going to lie down and take it though, my voice will be heard:)

The owner of the franchise seemed to think it was a huge misunderstanding of some sort, but assured me he would be talking to TJ about this. Something about they thought that the other guy was me or some other lame improbable excuse, the fact is they did not take my deposit which i offered more than once, and told me to come down and the truck was ready to drive home, I'm sure I will never really know what happened, other than me leaving VERY angry.

Caribou Lou
August 19th, 2008, 15:18
Here's two semi-local nice 7.3's....

http://socaps.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=8318

http://socaps.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=8304

Stealth
August 19th, 2008, 15:20
im not a dodge expert but here are some HP numbers from teh cummins forum i belong to about the cummins engines: The 03-04 are 305/555 if they are the HO motor, those have the 48RE tranny, the SO are 250/505 for those you get the older 47RE tranny. The 04.5+ are 325/605.

i was told that the 04.5-06 are the most reliable.... towing though your still gonna have to deal with the trans... my cousin has gone though 3 stock trans so far on his 04

plus the truck doesnt hold up as well... interior trim leaves much to be desired....

my vote is still for a Ford :)


go to the various forums and talk to people that own each individual truck and see what they say... hopefully you can get an unbiased answer from them....
-Raul

Caribou Lou
August 19th, 2008, 15:23
The 04.5-05 ISB motors will blow a 7.3 into pieces without breaking a sweat. Saying that the 7.3 and the cummins are "eye to eye" is total bull.

I've owned 3 7.3's, and I love them, but there's nothing better then a Ford with a common rail cummins in it.

Clean Racing
August 19th, 2008, 15:27
Well I am going to chime in for what its worth.. IN 99-2000 I was a crew chief on a ford escort rally car, we had a ford box van with the 7.3.. great truck the only thing that sucked was the trans.. 2001 I moved over to a Mitsu team and drove the customers rig that was an 2001 dodge cummins 4x4.. Loved that truck even more than the old box van, so much that I got one of my own.. After 2 years and 150,000 miles later I sold it to a farmer in central cal.. My folks have an 2004 dodge with the cummins and it runs a ton better than my 01 with a bigger turbo.. The only downside to the dodge is the tranny and anything that Banks sells for it.. If you go dodge look into ATS diesel in Colorado they have a trans that works, and other goodies.. Banks crap is all smoke and mirrors crap for the older stuff.. My dodge has been cross country a few times and up to quebec a few times and never left me on the side of the road.. only the trailer has done that.. just my .02$ worth...

Skullver
August 19th, 2008, 15:33
Well I am going to chime in for what its worth.. IN 99-2000 I was a crew chief on a ford escort rally car, we had a ford box van with the 7.3.. great truck the only thing that sucked was the trans.. 2001 I moved over to a Mitsu team and drove the customers rig that was an 2001 dodge cummins 4x4.. Loved that truck even more than the old box van, so much that I got one of my own.. After 2 years and 150,000 miles later I sold it to a farmer in central cal.. My folks have an 2004 dodge with the cummins and it runs a ton better than my 01 with a bigger turbo.. The only downside to the dodge is the tranny and anything that Banks sells for it.. If you go dodge look into ATS diesel in Colorado they have a trans that works, and other goodies.. Banks crap is all smoke and mirrors crap for the older stuff.. My dodge has been cross country a few times and up to quebec a few times and never left me on the side of the road.. only the trailer has done that.. just my .02$ worth...
I think that is worth WAY more than .02$ there Scott(I owe you a beverage of your choice at the very least:)), I greatly appreciate it and you have only reinforced my previous research and other guys that own the dodge trucks. I have heard the same things about the Banks stuff and will definitely look into the ATS trans stuff if I can get a truck.
Chris

Clean Racing
August 19th, 2008, 15:36
I think that is worth WAY more than .02$ there Scott(I owe you a beverage of your choice at the very least:)), I greatly appreciate it and you have only reinforced my previous research and other guys that own the dodge trucks. I have heard the same things about the Banks stuff and will definitely look into the ATS trans stuff if I can get a truck.
Chris

I will be up your way next month wrenching on the rally car again.. maybe you can swing by and drive Wolfie's Dodge and see what it can be like...

Stealth
August 19th, 2008, 15:38
Well I am going to chime in for what its worth.. IN 99-2000 I was a crew chief on a ford escort rally car, we had a ford box van with the 7.3.. great truck the only thing that sucked was the trans.. 2001 I moved over to a Mitsu team and drove the customers rig that was an 2001 dodge cummins 4x4.. Loved that truck even more than the old box van, so much that I got one of my own.. After 2 years and 150,000 miles later I sold it to a farmer in central cal.. My folks have an 2004 dodge with the cummins and it runs a ton better than my 01 with a bigger turbo.. The only downside to the dodge is the tranny and anything that Banks sells for it.. If you go dodge look into ATS diesel in Colorado they have a trans that works, and other goodies.. Banks crap is all smoke and mirrors crap for the older stuff.. My dodge has been cross country a few times and up to quebec a few times and never left me on the side of the road.. only the trailer has done that.. just my .02$ worth...
ill just have to add that the e-250+ vans are non intercooled... they have higher egt's and will create less Hp than a normal 7.3L truck....

i agree that the cummins is a the best diesel engine period... but... from personal experiance.. through me and friends/ family.. the dodge trucks will not hold up to heavy duty use.... their is a reason why their are more Ford work truck than any other brand truck around... you can beat them to hell and they will still do great....

just my opinion

-Raul

Caribou Lou
August 19th, 2008, 15:40
ATS is alright, but you can find better for cheaper. The Common rail dodges (03+) are great motors. Can't beat them, especially if you can find a 6speed.

Skullver
August 19th, 2008, 15:42
ill just have to add that the e-250+ vans are non intercooled... they have higher egt's and will create less Hp than a normal 7.3L truck....

i agree that the cummins is a the best diesel engine period... but... from personal experiance.. through me and friends/ family.. the dodge trucks will not hold up to heavy duty use.... their is a reason why their are more Ford work truck than any other brand truck around... you can beat them to hell and they will still do great....

just my opinion

-RaulI also appreciate that, I can deal with chassis issues, trans issues are a bit worrisome but I can probably pay for some piece of mind with upgraded trans, I am not a diesel mechanic(much less a mechanic at all) so for me, the motor is the absolute main thing that I am going for.

Thanks Scott, I should have a truck by then but you just never know, either way I would love to come check out that rally car again, let me know!

Clean Racing
August 19th, 2008, 15:45
ill just have to add that the e-250+ vans are non intercooled... they have higher egt's and will create less Hp than a normal 7.3L truck....

i agree that the cummins is a the best diesel engine period... but... from personal experiance.. through me and friends/ family.. the dodge trucks will not hold up to heavy duty use.... their is a reason why their are more Ford work truck than any other brand truck around... you can beat them to hell and they will still do great....

just my opinion

-Raul

It was an E450 with disc in the rear... Still sucked.. I know I put 85K on it...

Caribou Lou
August 19th, 2008, 15:48
Stock 7.3's are totally gutless, as are the 12 valve CTD's, and the vp44 24 valve CTD's (98.5-02). The 6.0 Fords, the common rail CTD's, and the Duramax's all have good power right out of the box.

I'll actually be buying my wife a Duramax to replace her Jetta. Don't want another Ford, and the Dodge's have GREAT motors, but the rest of the truck is just awful. The D-max is a good motor, great trans, and drives like a car.

cracker
August 19th, 2008, 15:52
The Common rail dodges (03+) are great trucks. Can't beat them, especially if you can find a 6speed.



Don't want another Ford, and the Dodge's have GREAT motors, but the rest of the truck is just awful.

:confused:

Stealth
August 19th, 2008, 15:57
It was an E450 with disc in the rear... Still sucked.. I know I put 85K on it...

wow... yah those blow.. i had a customer with one that we modded up.... their was absolutely no way to add an intercooler and he was seeing 1600+ egt's.. we eventualy added a water meth kit but it still only brought it down a few hundred degrees cooler.....

Caribou Lou
August 19th, 2008, 15:58
:confused:

I ment motor. :banghead:


Sorry, that was pretty stupid. I have a few friends with common rail Dodge's. They're fast, and with very little mods. But they've all ate thru trans, front unibearings, body fitment over 100k is horrible, interior rattles, etc.

Kinda like driving a giant XJ :laugh:.


But thanks cracker, I hope this clarifies.

Skullver
August 19th, 2008, 16:42
whelp, heading out to Phoenix this Thursday to check this truck out, and yes...I left a deposit, it is refundable and I am getting a rt plane ticket just in case. Anything I should look at critically? It is a long bed and I have not seen any pics but is in excellent shape, and the salesman seemed...honest. We'll see.
thanks again guys:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=249984973&dealer_id=1187760&car_year=2001&model=RAM25002WD&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=Diesel&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=500&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=51958387&showZipError=n&make=DODGE&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=9&drive=4+wheel+drive&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=93003&advanced=y&end_year=2001&doors=&transmission=&max_price=10000&cardist=410

swbooking
August 19th, 2008, 16:47
Anything I should look at critically?

Yes... Its gold. :D

Skullver
August 19th, 2008, 16:52
Yes... Its gold. :D
hehe, the funny thing is the race truck started out as ....goldish, we called it goldmember for the longest time, now it is flat black. I could really care less about the color though, just hope it is all good mechanically.

xjjeeper19
August 19th, 2008, 18:29
chris, PM me the VIN# and the miles...I'll give you all the info you need


Justin



EDIT: Nevermind...I'm blind

Caribou Lou
August 19th, 2008, 19:19
Check to see if the trans is the original, check for 5th wheel holes in the bed, and check the fuel pressure. Those VP44 trucks are famous for loosing the lift pump, and killing the whole injection system.

cracker
August 19th, 2008, 19:43
Well I am going to chime in for what its worth.. IN 99-2000 I was a crew chief on a ford escort rally car, we had a ford box van with the 7.3.. great truck the only thing that sucked was the trans.. 2001 I moved over to a Mitsu team and drove the customers rig that was an 2001 dodge cummins 4x4.. Loved that truck even more than the old box van, so much that I got one of my own.. After 2 years and 150,000 miles later I sold it to a farmer in central cal.. My folks have an 2004 dodge with the cummins and it runs a ton better than my 01 with a bigger turbo.. The only downside to the dodge is the tranny and anything that Banks sells for it.. If you go dodge look into ATS diesel in Colorado they have a trans that works, and other goodies.. Banks crap is all smoke and mirrors crap for the older stuff.. My dodge has been cross country a few times and up to quebec a few times and never left me on the side of the road.. only the trailer has done that.. just my .02$ worth...

Didn't you get stranded in Oregon with one of the Dodges a couple of years ago? A turbo problem wasn't it?

Clean Racing
August 19th, 2008, 20:22
Didn't you get stranded in Oregon with one of the Dodges a couple of years ago? A turbo problem wasn't it?

Stranded.. no.. Popped the turbo going up the hill just outside grants pass.. Pulled over, figured out what it was, got off the freeway, turned around and drove it to the dodge dealer.. I rented a box van and continued on to the race with only being down an hour.. While in Portland picked up a new turbo from Outlaw Diesel since the dealer denied the warranty due to the banks crap.. On the way home picked up the truck, paid the diag fee's and changed the turbo in the hotel parking lot in 45 min.. I still love the cummins over the ford or duramax.. Just will never ever put any banks crap on it... My folks 04 is bone stock HO and has just over 100K on it and runs better than my 01 did.. Sorry for the thread jack chris... stick with the dodge... It not like waiting on the side of the freeway in Vermont waiting for a tow truck to tow the ford in for a blown tranny...

GrimmJeeper
August 19th, 2008, 20:24
stick with the dodge! my partner at work has a 04.5 5.9 cummins 2500 and it runs a 12.82 in the 1/4 mile, on 37s with a 8 inch lift. AND he gets 3 times the gas mileage im getting out of my xj :dunno:

IslanderOffRoad
August 20th, 2008, 10:27
I've got 2 friends with Cummins trucks and they have had great luck with them. One runs WVO in his old 12v one. If I were in the market I'd get a 91-93 old-school Cummins. Or a 6.5 GM since they're incredibly cheap.

Caribou Lou
August 20th, 2008, 10:31
Or a 6.5 GM since they're incredibly cheap.

For a damn good reason. Your 4.0 has more power.

Mosephus
August 20th, 2008, 23:58
I sent you a PM about our 98 12v,
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/M715/Pauls%20Truck/t2.jpg

Rawbrown
August 21st, 2008, 21:42
I'd never buy another ford full size again. (sorry Goat)
And I've never been a big Chevy fan.
the 12v cummins is bulletproof save for the KDP which is a cheap kit and some time to install.
The problem with Banks stuff is that some things can be crap but from my experience, the installers there are dumbasses.
when I bought my truck, It was 5k less than comparable chevy's and fords.
The tranny was fine while the truck was stockish but as soon as I figured out the stuff that was misadjusted and release the hounds, it was short order by the time the tranny was dun. So I spent about $2500 buying aftermarket parts and having an off-the-clock heavy line mech build it. Now it holds up just fine. Its got a D70 in the rear and a D60 up front. nothing complicated about that.
The 12v is the only way to fly. 22mpg on the hwy isn't to shabby for a 7k # truck with the bed filled with plants. last week I pulled an 18' travel trailer from encinitas to dana point, camped, came home on friday morning then back friday at noon, hooked up the trailer and pulled it home. on a 1/4 tank.
It will run on Diesel, BioDiesel, WVO, Kerosene 1k and 2k, Jet-A, Jet A-1, JP-5 and JP-B. I can also run on WEO. Yep, thats used and filtered engine oil. non synth of course.
Mine runs on BioD that I make.
My brother gets a new ford every couple of years. Non diesel of course, but each one has allways had some problems. little problems for the most part but enough.
You can't beat a cummins.

Skullver
August 22nd, 2008, 16:47
Thanks Ryan, appreciate your input!

It is a done deal.....FINALLY, the elusive D2500 CTD 4x4 is at the shop! After securing one in phoenix on Tuesday with a deposit, getting plane tickets, having them call me back and tell me it won't be ready until Friday at 5pm due to numerous problems that were not stated in the ad, change existing plane tickets, get a call thursday night saying a pull test was done on the truck and it failed and was deemed unsafe, cancel tickets, find one in Temecula late Thursday night, 2001 w/180k, for cheap, fleet maintained and in great shape, rent a car and drive out this am and finally, just pulled up!!

I greatly appreciate all you who had input and advice, and helped even though I have never met you in person.....THANK YOU SO MUCH! I promise once I get all my shat together I will throw a huge party here at the shop, let me know if there is ever anything I can do.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/skullver/dodge/IMG_1124.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/skullver/dodge/001.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/skullver/dodge/IMG_1125.jpg

GrimmJeeper
August 22nd, 2008, 16:58
already rockin the crimson ghost haha!

i like it! :cheers:

silverslk
August 22nd, 2008, 17:40
Glad to hear you found one Chris. That one looks nice. It got anything done to it already engine wise?

IslanderOffRoad
August 23rd, 2008, 00:10
I like it. Is that stock height?

ChiXJeff
August 23rd, 2008, 02:01
I like it. Is that stock height?
Looks like it's lifted to me.