If you do get them, pick up some washers and nuts as well to back them with, since they do tend to loosen up using just the self tappers. I know a lot of people complain about their durability, but i have not had any problems with them in the 3 years I have run mine (other than loosing the screws). I rearended a Lexus, and the BW's survived, while the fender did not...