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Bad news for cleghorn pilot rock fans

Gerr

Gerr

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OK guys I went to the US Forestry Department Volenteer training yesterday and have some bad news for those of us who like running pilot rock and cleghorn...... all of the off shoot fun stuff (not part of the fire road stuff) is subject to a minumum fine of $75 per person and if you get caught 2 times the same day you will have your rig impounded. this goes for jeeps motorcycles quads everything but horses and hikers. Also this weekend through monday 5pm they will be having patrols in that area.
 
Well that sucks why is that dont tell me that some plant is in danger. So all the fun stuff is game to get a ticket on.:gonnablow
 
my understanding is that its about errosion and protecting native plants and habitat. It applies to any where in the national forest system of trails. if it doesnt have a route number (IE 3n16 2n14 etc)it is off limits. all tha un intended trails are not marked and you can be issued a ticket
 
Bunch of effin bullcrap. Getting real sick of not getting to run any local trails without fear of penalties :mad:
 
dzraces said:
OK guys I went to the US Forestry Department Volenteer training yesterday and have some bad news for those of us who like running pilot rock and cleghorn...... all of the off shoot fun stuff (not part of the fire road stuff) is subject to a minumum fine of $75 per person and if you get caught 2 times the same day you will have your rig impounded. this goes for jeeps motorcycles quads everything but horses and hikers. Also this weekend through monday 5pm they will be having patrols in that area.
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So is this a new law? or something that has been around for a while & gets brought up at forestry dept. training days??

just wondering, thanks.
 
mattyj074 said:
So is this a new law? or something that has been around for a while & gets brought up at forestry dept. training days??

just wondering, thanks.
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Its a old rule just getting revisited and they are planning much more enforcment due to budget cutbacks and needing to conform with national standards
 
Well that SUCKS!!!

I never look at the signs when I run Cleghorn... I just point and go..

Does anyone know if the trail that zig-zags the Cleghorn fire road is marked??

If it's not, I don't see how they can keep people off of it..

Elias
Eh-lee-us
 
so how are they planing to make people aware that they can now no longer drive on these trails? Seems difficult to enforce.
 
actually its been a work in progress. basicly the plan is random enforcment by rangers acompanied by chp at times and volenteer groups issueing warnings whe rangers and chp are not on trail
 
It just doesnt really make sense. Its not like we are breaking new trail, we are simply driving on an existing trail...... i think the off shoots are beyond any kind of flora repair. Well, i cant imagine the state or city spending funds to replace plants that were destroyed long ago when th first vehicle broke trail. So whats the big deal....... just give the off shoots its own trail number & save the hassle and expense involved in stopping people useing it!
 
It's not an old law that is now being enforced. It is a (not so) suttle change in policy from "open unless posted closed" to "closed unless posted open".

It evidently goes along with the new trail inventory policy and the only routes that are open are the ones that have been inventoried and are listed on the map. I don't think they can enforce it unless they have a map of route designations somewhere that is easily available.

If you got stopped and threatened with a ticket, you could try to nicely ask where there is a notice of the information needed to know what routes are open, and where is a map that designates the open routes.
 
EliasJ123 said:
Well that SUCKS!!!

I never look at the signs when I run Cleghorn... I just point and go..

Does anyone know if the trail that zig-zags the Cleghorn fire road is marked??

If it's not, I don't see how they can keep people off of it..

Elias
Eh-lee-us
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Prime examples were posted in another post of why they dont want us on those offshoot(not intended) trails.

here is the vids that were posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FooMZfEkpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SZXNBSJ9Ko

Sory to say these are from some of our members recently

I hate to say it but being responsible while wheeling will preserve our rights to do so. Im guilty of wheeling in areas I now know I wasnt suposed to and Im guilty of not treading lightly on some trails and I am guilty of being a asshat too so I hope no one feels im picking on them or being a asshat Im just trying to share what Ive learned. :patriot:
 
dzraces said:
Prime examples were posted in another post of why they dont want us on those offshoot(not intended) trails.

here is the vids that were posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FooMZfEkpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SZXNBSJ9Ko

Sory to say these are from some of our members recently

I hate to say it but being responsible while wheeling will preserve our rights to do so. Im guilty of wheeling in areas I now know I wasnt suposed to and Im guilty of not treading lightly on some trails and I am guilty of being a asshat too so I hope no one feels im picking on them or being a asshat Im just trying to share what Ive learned. :patriot:
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I don't see the problem. As far as i'm concerned if it has been driven over before, and has no brush on it, then it IS a trail. I myself have driven down that spot in the videos, and I will again. Treading lightly is another matter. Digging holes in the snow does make it harder for the next guy, but if I'm the next guy I like it that way. Making a hard section of trail harder does not seem to be an issue for most people, especially when there is a bypass.
 
dzraces said:
Prime examples were posted in another post of why they dont want us on those offshoot(not intended) trails.

here is the vids that were posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FooMZfEkpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SZXNBSJ9Ko

Sory to say these are from some of our members recently

I hate to say it but being responsible while wheeling will preserve our rights to do so. Im guilty of wheeling in areas I now know I wasnt suposed to and Im guilty of not treading lightly on some trails and I am guilty of being a asshat too so I hope no one feels im picking on them or being a asshat Im just trying to share what Ive learned. :patriot:
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I don't think that the videos are "Prime examples". That's actually a trail. It's called Pucker Hill. I was there when SlimsXJ did it last time.. He didn't do anything to it. It was already carved.

Everytime I've been out there, wheelers in the group stay on the trail. Guys will even pick up debri that were left behind from other vehicles.

But, I'm sure that there are other wheelers who just don't care..

Elias
 
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dzraces said:
Prime examples were posted in another post of why they dont want us on those offshoot(not intended) trails.

here is the vids that were posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FooMZfEkpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SZXNBSJ9Ko

Sory to say these are from some of our members recently

I hate to say it but being responsible while wheeling will preserve our rights to do so. Im guilty of wheeling in areas I now know I wasnt suposed to and Im guilty of not treading lightly on some trails and I am guilty of being a asshat too so I hope no one feels im picking on them or being a asshat Im just trying to share what Ive learned. :patriot:
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can you explain to me why these are Prime examples of why the off-shoots are bieng closed? All I see are a couple of videos of a guy trying to climb a hill... there are no trail posted signs... and there are much biggger holes higher up on that hill... those who cant make it... cant make it... those who can have more fun... I also have a few vids of Cleghorn...

Video of me shot by JohnX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezjT6x22Dak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xflOlJVMGt4


and we dont look like a bunch of people tearing up the place... it the signs are posted, I wont run it... if not... my story is, we've been running these trails for years and never heard anything about only staying on the main road, but I will be sure to stay off them now Mr. Ranger Sir... Prehapse all this trash I picked up from the trails I was on will help?
 
When I tried the trail with snow on it all I did was clean the snow off, kind of hard to tear it up when the ground is frozen!! Hey Ken your my idol for making the pucker climb look so easy! DAVID
 
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