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scottsxj
April 23rd, 2004, 20:37
so i just removed the driver dor and its looking pretty sweet. BUt when my mom comes home, she freaks out about how illegal it is. So if any body out there knows the legalities of this issuse and could tell me were to find the laws actually written out thatd be cool. Oh yeah and I live in richmond Va if that helps at all. Please help me get her off my back, thanks alot

Scott

IntrepidXJ
April 23rd, 2004, 21:34
most places it's legal, as long as you still have a driver side mirror attached somehow.

Inisadow
April 23rd, 2004, 21:50
Just keep it off and gradually she will get tired of scolding you about it.

Beej
April 23rd, 2004, 21:51
Its not illegal here in BC, although you still have to have a driver's side rear view mirror. If you are worried about legality, just call your local DMV, they will tell you what the requirements are. I would bet you could make a quick tube door and put it in the regular door's place.

JeepFreak21
April 23rd, 2004, 22:05
if it's illegal anywhere, it's probably in VA :dunno:
Billy

Willis
April 23rd, 2004, 23:03
It's illegal in WA too. Most will not be hassled, but can be. Wranglers/CJs been doing it for years, so it almost looks normal, but looks odd on an XJ, and I'd expect to get hassled more. WA state laws state that a vehicle must be equipped with all body panels it left the factory with. That's all Jeeps since around 78(ish) when CJ doors were no longer an option, and came standard equipment.

I asked a Sheriff buddy of mine if he'd pull over an XJ wihout doors and he said 'yes'. I asked about Wranglers, and he said 'no'. I asked him why and he couldn't explain it. It'll depend on the cops, and if they enforce it. If you XJ looks like a rolling death trap, you'll probably get nailed.

WA state laws also state that no exhaust may be modified to a point where it creates more noise than the factory one. They don't exactly enforce that one either.

Steve

Majo
April 23rd, 2004, 23:06
I just did the removable door mod, but had been driving in NY for 2 weeks with no stops. I live in a college town too and haven't gotten stopped yet.

My buddies wranger only has rear view when he takes doors off. In my defense if i get stopped when I'm going somewhere with him I'll be sure to ask why he didn't pull the wrangler over for no drivers side mirror.

I got a 2 door too, so it looks more of a deathtrap.

Mingez
April 23rd, 2004, 23:21
Yet riding a motorcycle isn't illegal. Where are their doors? I love riding my bike, but If I get hit, I guarantee I have less of a survival rate than a dude in a doorless XJ.

If not having doors is illegal in your state, then your state sucks. A guy should be able to ride doorless if he damn well pleases. Geez, the things government will legislate about. :soapbox:

I say, threaten to buy a motorcycle... then your mom will forget all about your XJ's doorlessness. (word?)

scottsxj
April 24th, 2004, 09:19
i appreciate all this information and support. Does anybody here live in virginia. If so could yall give me some input. Thanks

small pederson
April 24th, 2004, 10:53
It's illegal in WA too. Most will not be hassled, but can be. Wranglers/CJs been doing it for years, so it almost looks normal, but looks odd on an XJ, and I'd expect to get hassled more. WA state laws state that a vehicle must be equipped with all body panels it left the factory with. That's all Jeeps since around 78(ish) when CJ doors were no longer an option, and came standard equipment.

I asked a Sheriff buddy of mine if he'd pull over an XJ wihout doors and he said 'yes'. I asked about Wranglers, and he said 'no'. I asked him why and he couldn't explain it. It'll depend on the cops, and if they enforce it. If you XJ looks like a rolling death trap, you'll probably get nailed.

WA state laws also state that no exhaust may be modified to a point where it creates more noise than the factory one. They don't exactly enforce that one either.

Steve

i got the impression that you had to have a ledge along the floor so nothing could roll out and have a rear view mirror and everything was cool. hmm...maybe if you put on those safari doors or something

my advice would be do it, get pulled over to the point where the cops just dont care anymore, like you can do with your mom. the illegal jeeps in my town have long since trained our law enforcers.

JEONLYEP
April 24th, 2004, 11:16
So what about this? It's a factory door? (part of it) How legal is this?

Daryl

http://users.ucom.net/~werwe/reverse/halfdoor1.JPG

http://users.ucom.net/~werwe/reverse/halfdoor2.JPG

Beej
April 24th, 2004, 12:57
So what about this? It's a factory door? (part of it) How legal is this?

Those are awesome. You have any info on how you did them?
Sorry about hijacking this thread.
Beej.

JEONLYEP
April 24th, 2004, 13:46
Well, I was going to work the bugs out on the first door and then take photos and write up a little info while I do the second door. The second door just arrived from E-bay yesterday. I've got a couple of busy week-ends then a week out of town. It's going to be a while before I get started on it. Any particular info you want go ahead and PM me.

Thanks for the compliment on it.

Daryl

4x4xfar
April 24th, 2004, 15:50
I LIKE THAT !! gOOD jOB!! I have known of people to get death wobble running no doors so just dont forget to beef her up. That is just something for the guys that just take off all there doors and call it good to think about . 4X4XFAR

OT
April 24th, 2004, 18:08
I LIKE THAT !! gOOD jOB!! I have known of people to get death wobble running no doors so just dont forget to beef her up. That is just something for the guys that just take off all there doors and call it good to think about . 4X4XFAR
And the doors tie into the front suspension where?

verrive
April 24th, 2004, 18:39
And the doors tie into the front suspension where?

I assume it has something to do with the weight distribution more than the suspension. I've heard of people getting death wobble but it stops when they have a passenger with them. Probably something like that.

- Kevin

4x4xfar
April 24th, 2004, 18:47
And the passenger Ties into the front suspension! WHere? Lol Structure. Think about it when you flex the xj up you cant open your hatch or shut your door sometimes. And if your suspension doesnt flex niether will your XJ. Just reverse that thought and it should help you figure it out. 4X4XFAR

OT
April 24th, 2004, 20:11
And the passenger Ties into the front suspension! WHere? Lol Structure. Think about it when you flex the xj up you cant open your hatch or shut your door sometimes. And if your suspension doesnt flex niether will your XJ. Just reverse that thought and it should help you figure it out. 4X4XFAR
Anybody that thinks that a hinged door or some flimsey-ass fiberglass hatch strengthens an XJs unibody structure is diluted.

Anyway, JEONLYEP, watch out that you don't get a flat tire the next time you open your glove box. I've known of that happening.:D

XJ91
April 24th, 2004, 20:40
I looked all over the VA DMV web site couldn't find any thing.

http://www.dmv.state.va.us/

Mingez
April 24th, 2004, 21:28
Many believe the doors are integral to structure of the vehicle. I don't imagine the death wobble really was the result of the structural integrity of the XJ, (at least by itself) but weirder things have happened. I mean, it's got to affect it a little.

DW is a stupid phenomenon in which for some... there is no cure. No amount of experts can figure some of the cases out. Too many factors, and EVERY XJ is so different. So.. give the brotha a break... Geez.

Redcbr007
April 24th, 2004, 23:30
If your driving down the road and open the door you get an instant DW!! And if you dont, jump out the car and see if the loss of weight causes one :)

-Red

Mingez
April 24th, 2004, 23:40
Yeah... that's what everyone is saying...jump out of your XJ. Go ahead.
:roll:

OT
April 25th, 2004, 08:26
If your driving down the road and open the door you get an instant DW!! And if you dont, jump out the car and see if the loss of weight causes one :)

-Red
Boy, I guess that means all those people should stop flat towing immediately since there's no weight holding down the front seat.

I sometimes drive my '92 to the trails at highway speeds with no doors or rear hatch by myself and have yet to have DW.

My 88 had DW once because of the steering stabilizer and bad tires but I promptly fixed that, and it wasn't by gaining weight.

I had no idea there was a minimum weight limit to drive an XJ.

Beezil
April 25th, 2004, 21:39
okie....

I can tighten my turning radius while wheeling by simply tugging on one of the mirrors real hard.....if I wanna turn left more, I tug on my left mirror, if I wanna turn right real hard, I tug on my right mirror.......kinda like riding a horsie.........

try it sometime.

Mingez
April 25th, 2004, 22:45
Yeah... the min. weight for an XJ is whatever is less than being a fat-ass. Mixing in a salad every now and then is good for DW.

Hey beez, that mirror thing works... just try it. :roflmao:

JEONLYEP
April 25th, 2004, 23:02
okie....

I can tighten my turning radius while wheeling by simply tugging on one of the mirrors real hard.....if I wanna turn left more, I tug on my left mirror, if I wanna turn right real hard, I tug on my right mirror.......kinda like riding a horsie.........

I find it easier to push the left mirror forward to turn tighter to the right then to lean over and pull the right mirror back.

Mingez
April 25th, 2004, 23:05
All joking aside, those doors are sweet. Where did you get that design? Did you just dream it up, or see a write up....?

Eagle
April 25th, 2004, 23:44
And the doors tie into the front suspension where?

They don't, of course. Must have something to do with changing the weight distribution on the front axle ...

Either that, or it's a function of impaired aerodynamic laminar flow (the XJ with doors installed is such a masterpiece of aerodynamic design, ya know)

Beezil
April 26th, 2004, 04:34
They don't, of course. Must have something to do with changing the weight distribution on the front axle ...

Either that, or it's a function of impaired aerodynamic laminar flow (the XJ with doors installed is such a masterpiece of aerodynamic design, ya know)

Jesus Christ eagle.