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XTrmXJ
April 19th, 2004, 09:43
This project is not intended for the Trails but can do off roading... The purpose of this project is I love my XJ but there are times that I would like to have a good size bed and I love my Long bed MJ but there just isnt enough room for the many road trips that I do... I also like the idea of chopping an XJ and having an ultra short Bed but I cant really put any of my other offroad toys in the back.... The Idea also came around for when I use my MJ to tow my XJ on a trailer and carry all of my toys but no comfortable room for two in the cab.... So my Idea is to mate a XJ and a Short bed/ long Bed MJ together ( dont know how long I want the bed).. I would leave the XJ intack but pull the rear axel out and put sheet metal over the wheelwell, and chopping into the frame of the XJ and would reinforce the frame with rectange tubing and join it into the rear half of the MJ bed and chasis.. On the XJ half I would leave the rear hatch alone so that way it can still open up for even more compartment room or for what ever reason and or put a 3rd row of seats in... I know that I would have to beef up the frame and what not but truely thats not an issue at this time because I already know ho to do this, the frame will have an internal support and I will also be plating it on the outside, bolted and welded together.. The rear axle would be replaced with a D60 or bigger, I would like to put a Duelly axle under it and run duel tires on the rear and also upgrade the front with a D44.. Of course there would be gear changes depending on the tire size but not bigger than 33" (4.88? ) and I also would like to throw a diesel S6 with a bigger drivetrain to match... The suspension will be replaced with a super duty leaf set up that I have already have from an older F-350, and it will put a lift or roughly 5-6 inches, the front suspension will also come from the F-350... I have been putting a lot of thought into this (6 months) and doing a lot of drawing and configering, and this project with be taking a long time to build as I will want to be changing things up or do to other circumstanses with work/traveling.... All and All I think that this would be a great accomplishment and perform as a Bada$$ Tow Rig/Show Toy... Any inputs or advise will be sorted though and taken into thought and if all works well I will be putting peoples names on the rig for insight/ crew of builders..
I know some are thinking "just go down to the dealership and buy a new big Truck" Well I dont like the Idea of the prices of a big duelly rig $50,000+ and your stuck with the regular configure as everone else... I have more pride building somthing to my specs and when growing up me and my father always built everthing for the farm instead of paying for parts that would give out down the road or not work properly... Plus I think that this will be more of a Monument for all of the XJ/MJ owners.. You can also pick up older XJ/MJ really cheap from stupid people that have know Ideas what they have...

strokedwoody
April 19th, 2004, 11:13
You can also pick up older XJ/MJ really cheap from stupid people that have know Ideas what they have...
I sell them all the time for $500 to a $1000...I know what I have, a mass produce jeep/station wagon, that no one wants to pay much for.
How about this for an idea....buy an older powerstroke,crew cab dually(got about 6 grand in mine) and put a stretched xj body on it...less work and probably less cash by the time the dust has settled....Good Luck.

XTrmXJ
April 19th, 2004, 11:33
buy an older powerstroke,crew cab dually(got about 6 grand in mine) and put a stretched xj body on it.

Thats a good Idea, but in a way that takes the purpose away of making a pure Jeep and then I would just have a Ford as a tow rig... Im trying to keep this as close to a purebread as possible but with a challage.. I know that sounds wierd but who else would have thought of the idea...

Shanbo44
April 19th, 2004, 11:39
Sounds really fun, cool, time consuming, etc... my .02.

I like the idea in general, but I would cut the bed off the MJ and cut the rear off the XJ and mate them together. Kind of like quad cab MJ, that way you don't have to go to huge axles (D44 F&R would be fine) you would be adding 6' of bed to the XJ all you would be adding is about 2'. All you would have to do is add new front mounts for the shackles. You could also use the back part of the MJ cab like (hinkly) and the them did to close the cab. well enough of what I would do...

GL

XTrmXJ
April 19th, 2004, 12:03
One of the other reasons that I discibed it the way I did is because my father has alot of the parts that I can use sitting around the farm back in Indiana that is used as parts vehicals and or equipment that we pick up at auctions.... And with the chopping of the XJ behind the rear doors still doesnt seem like there would be enough room inside for anything that I wouldnt want to get wet on road trips, thats one of the reasons why I want to keep the XJ intact, Plus I can use the xtra space to camp in on road trips and stuff to save on lodging costs... I also want to do the duelly thing because I want to beable to pull a 5th wheel or a large trailer so that way I can through my XJ on... I know that the older Ford duelly fairings will fit with minor trimming to fit...

ryurabbit
April 19th, 2004, 12:58
Thats a hard one to envision. I think it would be too narrow for that long of wheelbase. I like the thought just dont think it would be very feasible adding 6 feet to the back of a cherokee and exprect it to not have any structural issues.

Rabbit

hjeepxj
April 19th, 2004, 13:01
D60 + 33s = Bulldozing.




My Ultimated Jeep Project would closely resemble Dan Starc's rig. :agree: :D

XTrmXJ
April 19th, 2004, 13:23
Thats a hard one to envision. I think it would be too narrow for that long of wheelbase. I like the thought just dont think it would be very feasible adding 6 feet to the back of a cherokee and exprect it to not have any structural issues.

Thats why I was going to insert a piece of 4-1 1/2 rectangle x 1/4 steel into the frame of both and have the overall frame plated with more metal, bolted and welded...

XTrmXJ
April 19th, 2004, 13:24
My Ultimated Jeep Project would closely resemble Dan Starc's rig. :agree:


What does it look like???

strokedwoody
April 19th, 2004, 13:44
[QUOTE=XTrmXJ I also want to do the duelly thing because I want to beable to pull a 5th wheel or a large trailer so that way I can through my XJ on... I know that the older Ford duelly fairings will fit with minor trimming to fit...[/QUOTE]
Now that would be interesting to see, but , you will need to basically build a one ton sub frame under your xj to support all the weight, I don't think a unibody is gonna like a 5th wheel dumped on top of it. So....back to the powerstroke or f350 frame at least....

XTrmXJ
April 19th, 2004, 13:46
scroll back up and you will see the ideas on the the frame....

XTrmXJ
April 19th, 2004, 13:47
Thats why I was going to insert a piece of 4-1 1/2 rectangle x 1/4 steel into the frame of both and have the overall frame plated with more metal, bolted and welded...

RichP
April 19th, 2004, 13:54
Maybe use a J-10 or J-20 frame and drop the front half of an XJ and an MJ bed right on it.

hjeepxj
April 19th, 2004, 14:33
What does it look like???


http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/Da...J/ALL2-pix.html

Island XJ
April 19th, 2004, 16:13
Sounds wild. I agree with ryurabbit though, I just banged up a photoshop version of what you described to see roughly what it would look like, and with a longbed, its just plain too long. You would be sporting a sixteen foot vehicle that's only 6 feet wide! I think it would look odd, but that's just my two cents. I like more what Shanbo44's getting at, maybe just a short bed on the back of the full XJ, that way, if you need more bed space, you just open up the hatch!

PS when its done PM me and I'll go to Moab with you and my double width XJ :D

Inisadow
April 19th, 2004, 16:41
I say do it, if it busts in half when you put the fifth wheel on it so be it.

XTrmXJ
April 20th, 2004, 07:10
Thanks for the support guys I have been taking everything into planning and I will do more planning on the idea... I think that I would probably use a short bed or maybe bob the bed if I feel the need to.. I wont be hauling a 5th wheel all the time (need to buy one first) as for right now it will only be a car hauler (Uhaul) for my XJ.. I would still like to be able to carry my 4wheeler or dirt bike in the back though, just for fun ... I have also thought of another idea for the frame, my father has a graintruck that he has used as parts, all thats left of it is the cab drivetrain, suspension, and the front axle.. The frame would be long enough, maybe to long (have to measure when I go to Indiana in June)... I still want to look into my original Idea by putting steel beams in the unibody frame and plating... By the way I will be running full with axels.....
Does anyone know by chance what the biggest size Diesel engine and matching drivetrain most power, and duribility will fit in the DogHouse

I just banged up a photoshop version of what you described to see roughly what it would look like, and with a longbed, its just plain too long.

Please post this if you are able, Im also looking for atleast 6 inches with the suspension configur...

Quote:
Originally Posted by XTrmXJ
What does it look like???



http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/Da...J/ALL2-pix.html

Doesnt work... Please try it again..

XTrmXJ
April 20th, 2004, 07:19
I got the idea from my friends truck that he built.. It started as a wrecked 4 door short box bed and now its this..
http://www.etaoffroad.com/main/eta_truck_1.jpg
Trust me the truck goes sideways in 3rd gear from a standstill

Also I probably wont start on this project for another year because I am about to do a lot of traveling with the military... Plus I want to take my time with the planning of this and I like to have all of the parts and pieces before I start with the build...

gupandme
April 20th, 2004, 07:36
I say go powerwagon. :anon:

Buck Jackson
April 20th, 2004, 08:33
... I have also thought of another idea for the frame, my father has a graintruck that he has used as parts, all thats left of it is the cab drivetrain, suspension, and the front axle.. The frame would be long enough, maybe to long (have to measure when I go to Indiana in June)... I still want to look into my original Idea by putting steel beams in the unibody frame and plating...
If its a tandem graintruck the frame alone should weigh about the same as your XJ!
I think it might be bit to much iron for your needs.... I grew up on a farm and have built my share of "farm toys" from old tractors, trucks and cars over the years. But unless you are building a tank, I think you might want to consider something a bit lighter.
Buck :canada:

XTrmXJ
April 20th, 2004, 08:48
Ya I was thinking the same thing also, Im just looking at different options... Im sure that when I go home to my parents house for vacation I can see what other kind of stuff I can get a hold of but like I said Im still leaning torwards my original idea

hjeepxj
April 20th, 2004, 10:08
Doesnt work... Please try it again..


http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/DanStarc-89XJ/ALL2-pix.html

Buck Jackson
April 20th, 2004, 10:15
http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/DanStarc-89XJ/ALL2-pix.html
Awesome, that is a wild rig.

Island XJ, you see this? You could learn something.....;)

XTrmXJ
April 20th, 2004, 13:20
Island XJ do you still have that photo chop, modify it to a short bed with a lift so I can get a better visual... I have sketches but Im not that good with the whole computer thing and I have no pics on this computer...

Island XJ
April 20th, 2004, 16:08
Island XJ do you still have that photo chop, modify it to a short bed with a lift so I can get a better visual... I have sketches but Im not that good with the whole computer thing and I have no pics on this computer...

I have the pics but I do not have a website to upload them to. I discovered a few days ago that we cannot post to this site, we can only post links. I can give them to Buck Jackson and he can email them to you if you want. I will PM you with his email address (mine's a work address and i can't use it for this type of thing.

REDXJ4FUN
April 20th, 2004, 18:49
I have good pics of an actual crewcab MJ that aguy here in va built. I have pics but cant get them to upload to a host right now. If you want pics let me know, I'm sure some one on here has saved them over the years.

XTrmXJ
April 21st, 2004, 07:22
Bring the Pics on..

XTrmXJ
April 22nd, 2004, 08:15
Thanks for the pics.. It looks BA.. Is there any chance you know the Guy that built the project? I just have some ? for him or at least get a really close look of the rig and see what problems he ran in to..

Root Moose
April 22nd, 2004, 08:49
Hey, post the pics up! :)

r@m

XTrmXJ
April 22nd, 2004, 09:19
http://jeepingsingles.tcbader.com/jeepingsingles/XTrmXJCady/IMG03.jpg
http://jeepingsingles.tcbader.com/jeepingsingles/XTrmXJCady/IMG07.jpg

This is very similar to what I want to build but I want to keep the rear compartment area attached to the XJ body... Of course I would also have a 5-6 inch lift

Root Moose
April 22nd, 2004, 11:10
Way cool!

If I would change anything:

- short box

- Rear door frames should match the C-pillar better. Cut/splice the doors from the box donor.

But that is being REALLY, REALLY nit-picky.

r@m

XTrmXJ
April 22nd, 2004, 11:13
they way that it looks to me is that he chopped the rear cargo from an XJ, lengthend the frame, and put the bed on... Im not sure if it is a short or long bed, looks like a short

prljeep
April 22nd, 2004, 11:16
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/jeepcomanche/vwp?.dir=/MJXJ+for+sale&.src=gr&.dnm=4+Door+Comanche---1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/jeepcomanche/lst%3f%26.dir=/MJXJ%2bfor%2bsale%26.src=gr%26.view=t

(It is supposedly somewhere in that link!!!)



There is one that some one in the Yahoo MJ groups wants to sell for $9k. I like that the bed has been shortened- like a Ford Sport Trac.

XTrmXJ
April 22nd, 2004, 11:22
Ok this sucks... could you copy and paste for those of us that dont have or want a yahoo addr. Thanks

Phil
April 22nd, 2004, 11:42
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/jeepcomanche/MJXJ+for+sale/4+Door+Comanche---1.jpg?bcsZBiAB7xoS95kn
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/jeepcomanche/MJXJ+for+sale/4+Door+Comanche.jpg?bcsZBiABjMnaAnU_

Edit: That other one that was posted has a longbed. Look at where the gas filler door is.

XTrmXJ
April 22nd, 2004, 11:52
That is just Bad A$$ Its getting closer to what Im planning.. Picture a duelly and the rest of the XJ body and thats what Im going for... The door for the gas is throwing me off, not sure how that would work, with the gas tank placement...

XTrmXJ
April 23rd, 2004, 08:41
Ok Now that I have heard some opinion on the build what about the drive train , should I keep the stock drive train, replace it with a diesel drive train or go for a V8 set up .... I would be putting new gears in depending on the drive setup, and this project would not be used for the rocks...

XTrmXJ
April 23rd, 2004, 08:45
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23569&highlight=diesel+conversion

gspeed
April 23rd, 2004, 12:26
Can You Say Hill Billy.

' I Can Build A Super Jeep With The Parts In Pa's Back Yard"

Please, Go Spend Your Money On Some New Dental Work And Leave The Truck Manufactureing To The Big Three.

XTrmXJ
April 23rd, 2004, 12:51
Can You Say Hill Billy.

' I Can Build A Super Jeep With The Parts In Pa's Back Yard"

Please, Go Spend Your Money On Some New Dental Work And Leave The Truck Manufactureing To The Big Three.


That sounds pretty dam cocky to me... Im not saying I can get every thing from my father.. But living on a farm you have spare parts, not to mention when you also have an excavating business... Shit I bet you have a load of spares too jackass

XTrmXJ
May 14th, 2004, 10:26
Bump .... Any other imput

Pete M
May 15th, 2004, 22:23
Here are the shots of that sportrac Cherokee.
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL91/512063/1969322/53806761.jpg
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL91/512063/1969322/53806773.jpg
We're patiently waiting for some more pics from the owner.
Jeep on!
--Pete

XTrmXJ
May 16th, 2004, 16:03
iM STILL CURIOUS ON HOW THE REAR DOORS WERE DONE

kmagnuss_2000
May 16th, 2004, 18:07
I love that 'sport track'. Awesome!