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Willis
December 21st, 2003, 21:18
*The forums are now open for any and all to post, so lets get this forum moving*

NAXJA likes to see each chapter put on an annual NAXJA sanctioned event. Being that this is our first year, I think we should try to keep it simple. We may not have a lot of users at this time, however, when an event is announced, people seem to come out of the woodwork. Since this would be our first year, we have no idea what to expect. I've been part of a 'small' wheeling party that turned into 22 vehicles, oops. There is a point where the forestry service needs to be informed of a party of that magnitude. It's possible for there to be over 30 vehicles for our inaugural run, and it needs to be planned for accordingly.

So, to the details:

Should we plan a day event, or weekend? For some coming from longer distances, they'd probably end up spending the night anyway in a motel, so camping would be nice.

Location? I only have wheeling experience in the TSF, which I know has the camping to suit larger numbers, and the trails to suit everyone from mild to wild. Let's get some details on trails and the areas in both WA and OR. What's your experience?

Date? My personal preference would be mid-spring (april-may?). The ground would not be solid, so it makes the wheeling more interesting, plus there is a chance for good weather. Fall would not be too good because too many people are prepping for/recovering from Moab.

Name? I am kinda partial to NorthWest Fest, but let's here ideas on that too.

This year, let's just plan a simple wheeling/camping trip. Next year, maybe more. What I'd like to see for this event as it grows, is a multi-day event. Where we would wheel a couple days in Oregon, pack up the next morning and drive to the next location in Washington, then wheel a couple days there. The day we go from one area to the next, we could go all backroads, or go hwy 101 (with a stop in Astoria and/or Longbeach)? or just make a b-line for the next location?? That evening would include a BBQ and raffle, maybe vendor's showcase (we have some good vendors in the NW including Warn, Trail Ready, etc).

Remember, this would be a NAXJA sanctioned event, all vehicles must pass a tech/equipment inspection, and all participants must obey all rules.

So, let's here your thoughts and get some ideas flowing.

Steve

JJ13
December 21st, 2003, 23:46
Just thinking about how cool it would be to see 30 XJ's rolling down highway 101 in a line. Browns camp in Tillamook could be an Oregon stop. I like the Spring idea, it would be warm enough to camp comfortably.

Erik
December 22nd, 2003, 11:49
I think that you've hit the nail on head there Steve. It may be too early for some sort of week long NW Fest. At this point I would say that it's better to put that off until Fall 04 or even spring/summer 05. In the meantime we should just concentrate on some weekend trips around the NW. It would be nice to drive to an area Friday night, camp out (or get a motel if you are employed and/or rich :cry: ) meet the locals on Sat morning and wheel all day, and then maybe camp another night and do a short run on Sunday before the drive back home. TSF has a lot of camp sites and trails, and would work out great for a weekend trip like that. I'm willing to help out with the planning for a TSF run this spring, but to tell you the truth I'm sick of TSF and would really like to hit some trails up there in WA. But I'm sure others are sick of their backyard trails and would like to visit TSF so we should put it on the list for one weekend.

Maybe we can start another thread to just list all of the trails here in the NW. It's a common question that vistors ask "where are the trails", so maybe we should just sit down a list them.

Also while we're planning dates, let's remember EJS is 4/3 through 4/11, so we should keep those dates free on the calender.

JJ13
December 22nd, 2003, 12:27
The naches trails would be another choice. I believe they are near or on the way to Yakima from Seattle. Hopefully someone will chime in who knows right where they are.




P.S. I just realized that TSF you guys are discussing probably stands for Tillamook state forest or something similar...in which case it is Browns camp...I am an idiot :jester:

TRNDRVR
December 22nd, 2003, 17:52
Here's a link (http://www.oohva.org/) for you NW boys that might be of some help for your event planning.
Good luck!!!
Dan.

Willis
December 22nd, 2003, 19:52
Here's a link (http://www.oohva.org/) for you NW boys that might be of some help for your event planning.


Thanks Dan, I completely forgot about that link. It's a good reference.

The naches trails would be another choice. I believe they are near or on the way to Yakima from Seattle. Hopefully someone will chime in who knows right where they are.

P.S. I just realized that TSF you guys are discussing probably stands for Tillamook state forest or something similar...in which case it is Browns camp...I am an idiot

From what I've heard, Naches would be a good choice too. It would be sort of in between the masses, a meet in the middle if you will. And yes, TSF=Tillamook State Forest, aka Browns Camp.

Also while we're planning dates, let's remember EJS is 4/3 through 4/11, so we should keep those dates free on the calender.

I completely forgot about EJS. Maybe we ought to shoot for the middle to end of May? Maybe the 15-16th, or 22-23rd? This would be our first annual event, and my preference would be where it happens each year around the same time. It makes it easier for folks to plan their lives around wheeling (isn't that what everyone does? ;) )

Dawg Cherokee
December 25th, 2003, 17:12
We may want to give some thought to doing this in the summer. The kids are out of school and there is a better chance of fair camping and wheeling weather. Wherever it is, it should have runs that can appeal to the stock XJs, the big lifts, and those in between

Again, great job making our chapter official.

Ben

Willis
December 25th, 2003, 22:00
We may want to give some thought to doing this in the summer. The kids are out of school and there is a better chance of fair camping and wheeling weather. Wherever it is, it should have runs that can appeal to the stock XJs, the big lifts, and those in between

Again, great job making our chapter official.

Ben

Problem with summer, is there is already a lot going on. Best of the West, XJ Fest CO, XJ Fest Rubicon, runs through the Duzy, JV, etc. I think we should be concerned with happenings on the West coast because some of us do make the journey to things outside our area. If summer is what the majority wants, that's what we'll do.

Goatman
December 25th, 2003, 23:35
Problem with summer, is there is already a lot going on. Best of the West, XJ Fest CO, XJ Fest Rubicon, runs through the Duzy, JV, etc. I think we should be concerned with happenings on the West coast because some of us do make the journey to things outside our area. If summer is what the majority wants, that's what we'll do.

I don't see any JV runs this summer, it's too hot, we run it in spring and fall. Best of the West is a small run and is in Feb this year. The NAXJA Rubicon and CO trips are both in Aug, back to back. Tellico is in July, but that's on the east coast and won't interfere with anything in the NW. There may or may not be a Dusy trip this year, we don't do it every year and it was done the last two years.

Not trying to condradict what was said, just giving some info so you all can come up with a good time. I'd recomend not ruling out a summertime weekend, it could be a good time. I'm not suggesting anytime, just suggesting keeping a summer date in the running.

I have a brother in Portland, and have always wondered about what trails there are to run up there. Depending on when it is, and a multitude of other things, I might make a run up there and join you all.

Have fun,

hards91xj
December 26th, 2003, 13:38
I take it the conversation so far is Official naxja events.Any ideas on unoffcial or get togethers, runs or to meet members in Jan. Feb.

Willis
December 28th, 2003, 20:50
I take it the conversation so far is Official naxja events.Any ideas on unoffcial or get togethers, runs or to meet members in Jan. Feb.

Yes, we are talking NAXJA event here, but if you'd like to talk about unofficial runs, the forum is open for posting. Please feel free to post accordingly (actually, I encourage it to get the ball moving a bit more).

Richard,

Thanks for your input on this. I just through out events that I know have happened in the past during the summer/spring time, events that we ought to concern ourselves with. It looks as though anytime between April and August should be fine.

So, what do you all think about June 14th-15th?

JJ13
December 28th, 2003, 22:51
Yes, we are talking NAXJA event here, but if you'd like to talk about unofficial runs, the forum is open for posting. Please feel free to post accordingly (actually, I encourage it to get the ball moving a bit more).

Richard,

Thanks for your input on this. I just through out events that I know have happened in the past during the summer/spring time, events that we ought to concern ourselves with. It looks as though anytime between April and August should be fine.

So, what do you all think about June 14th-15th?
The 14'th is a Monday...did you mean the 12th and 13th, or were you thinking of doing it during the week??

CW
December 29th, 2003, 11:59
So, what do you all think about June 14th-15th?
That sounds good to me. Now we need a location.

Willis
December 29th, 2003, 19:30
The 14'th is a Monday...did you mean the 12th and 13th, or were you thinking of doing it during the week??

Ya, 12th and 13th, I was looking at 03 :o

As far as location, I'm going to look into Naches and see what I can come up with. From the sound of it, it may be a new adventure for most of us (might make things interesting). If anyone else has information on Naches, please post links.

Thanks,
Steve

JJ13
December 29th, 2003, 19:37
Ya, 12th and 13th, I was looking at 03 :o

As far as location, I'm going to look into Naches and see what I can come up with. From the sound of it, it may be a new adventure for most of us (might make things interesting). If anyone else has information on Naches, please post links.

Thanks,
Steve
Glad I could at least contribute one thing usefull :gee:

Willis
December 29th, 2003, 21:59
Well, after some searching, found Naches opens July 15th, and it only looks like it's one or two trails.

I did find a bunch of trails in the Rimrock Lake area. It is about 100 miles east of I-5 on hwy 12, 38 miles west of Yakima. This includes the semi-infamous trail "Pucker Ridge". It was listed as one of the 'top 10 trail you can die on' in one of the 4x rags. Not saying we'll attemp it, but it's there. There is some info on the area at www.nwjeepn.com . There is a lot of camping, plus fishing for those that wish to do so.

I'm going to try to contact the BLM because it was closed September 03 due to fires. I'd like to get some information on trails (maybe maps?) and visitor information.

Steve

Dawg Cherokee
December 29th, 2003, 23:22
The Pacific Northwest 4WD Association has their annual Jamboree at Naches July 8-11. From the description, there are a lot of trails to choose from. Check out the link and click on "events" for more info. Having ours in the same place a week or two later could save a lot of trail preparations.[URL=http://www.pnw4dwa.org/]

ECKSJAY
December 29th, 2003, 23:50
I did find a bunch of trails in the Rimrock Lake area. It is about 100 miles east of I-5 on hwy 12, 38 miles west of Yakima. This includes the semi-infamous trail "Pucker Ridge". It was listed as one of the 'top 10 trail you can die on' in one of the 4x rags. Not saying we'll attemp it, but it's there. There is some info on the area at www.nwjeepn.com . There is a lot of camping, plus fishing for those that wish to do so.
Steve

Trail damage imminent. :D I'll mark it on my calendar. :D:D:D

Willis
December 31st, 2003, 18:42
The Pacific Northwest 4WD Association has their annual Jamboree at Naches July 8-11. From the description, there are a lot of trails to choose from. Check out the link and click on "events" for more info. Having ours in the same place a week or two later could save a lot of trail preparations.[URL=http://www.pnw4dwa.org/]

I'll check that out. I just have not been able to find much information on WA trails at all. A lot of websites for the trails are for hiking and horseback, some motorcycle/atv, but not much info designated for 4x4. I'll contact them and see what kind of information they can provide about the trails, camping, etc in the area.

Late July is an option. What kind of 'trail preparations' are you talking about. I don't think they will be leaving markers, flags, or equipment behind, please elaborate.

Steve

ECKSJAY
December 31st, 2003, 20:09
I'll check that out. I just have not been able to find much information on WA trails at all. A lot of websites for the trails are for hiking and horseback, some motorcycle/atv, but not much info designated for 4x4. I'll contact them and see what kind of information they can provide about the trails, camping, etc in the area.

Late July is an option. What kind of 'trail preparations' are you talking about. I don't think they will be leaving markers, flags, or equipment behind, please elaborate.

Steve

Steve I think he means prep as directions, etc... One thing to keep in mind for that time of year is that it's prone to closures due to fire danger. Wonder what TSF is like that time of year?

Dawg Cherokee
December 31st, 2003, 21:14
I just figured that after PNW4WDA Jamboree, the trails will more likely be cleared of trees, brush, branches, and obvious hazards that may accumulate over the winter. If our chapter is going to put on an event, with all the work that involves, it would be nice to keep the trail preparations to a minimum.

Ben

TRNDRVR
January 1st, 2004, 10:14
Steve,
I've been searching the web for a while now and can't find it, but I remember an article in one of the off-road magazines (been a few years) on a Jeep Jamboree that was held up in Washington State. I remember it because it featured someone in the article like the guy from Currie, or someone along those lines in the industry. I'll keep looking. Maybe someone else remembers it also. Might be a cool trail to consider for your event. I do remember it wasn't rated as a highly difficult trail though.
Thanks,
Dan.

Willis
January 1st, 2004, 11:02
I just figured that after PNW4WDA Jamboree, the trails will more likely be cleared of trees, brush, branches, and obvious hazards that may accumulate over the winter. If our chapter is going to put on an event, with all the work that involves, it would be nice to keep the trail preparations to a minimum.

Ben

That's a good point. It's hard to tell how much traffic the trails will have had by that point. Since this area seems new to all of us, the less surprises, the better.

So we would be moving the date to July 24-25th. Anyone object?

Willis
January 1st, 2004, 11:06
Steve,
I've been searching the web for a while now and can't find it, but I remember an article in one of the off-road magazines (been a few years) on a Jeep Jamboree that was held up in Washington State. I remember it because it featured someone in the article like the guy from Currie, or someone along those lines in the industry. I'll keep looking. Maybe someone else remembers it also. Might be a cool trail to consider for your event. I do remember it wasn't rated as a highly difficult trail though.
Thanks,
Dan.

I don't specifically recall the article, but does seem to ring a bell. It may have been the PNW4WDA's Jamboree, it looks like it's pretty big (this will be 15th year), with sponsors from a lot of local 4wd vendors and manufacturers (Warn, Trailready etc). It looks to have a decent selection of trails in the area, from very easy, to very difficult. Thanks for your help Dan.

Steve

Dawg Cherokee
January 1st, 2004, 14:19
So we would be moving the date to July 24-25th. Anyone object?[/QUOTE]

Those dates sound good to me.

Ben

hards91xj
January 5th, 2004, 22:16
The Nachess Area is a good area to go . There is everytype of wheeling posable roads,easy trails to rock crawling .Camping as individual or group even Whistlin Jacks has resturant and motel rooms with a hot tub on a deck within 10 miles . This area is easy to get to from the east or west. Fire danger time usually isn`t till mid August . The U.S. Forest service Nachess ranger district handles that area.The last half of July should be a great time to go. :spin3:

railroadjeep
January 6th, 2004, 21:25
I think I'm down for almost anything.
I personally would like to go run the 319 out of Liberty again, I did that one once it was totally awsome.
I've always had alot of fun camping out at Tanuem Creek, from there there's alot of options ranging from serious to moderate trails. And your not to far from E'burg or Cle Elum, so supplies and lodging are not far away.

Chris

Dawg Cherokee
January 6th, 2004, 22:55
It might seem a little obvious, but one issue really hasn't been discussed. Wherever we go, it should be someplace that at least several members are very familiar with, so they can be trail leaders. That may be the biggest influence on where we decide to have this.

Ben

hards91xj
January 7th, 2004, 14:42
Either Tanaum orTeanaway or Liberty area has camping areas there abit of Hiway travel between them but a better choise of places for the creature comforts with Eburg and Cleelum easy access to I 90 and you still have access to the serious rock areas that you get to from the Nachees area there`s enough to keep anybody entertained for a week and when you get tired of dust and dirt you can grab something that floats and do the Yakima River . A great and easy area to find for out of area guests.... :roll:

Willis
January 8th, 2004, 22:49
Wherever we go, it should be someplace that at least several members are very familiar with, so they can be trail leaders. That may be the biggest influence on where we decide to have this.

That was a consideration, and I was hoping more people would post where they wheel, and feel comfortable with.

Naches was looking pretty good because of it's location. Not too far North of Portland, not too far South of Seattle, even doable for those in Eastern WA/OR, and ID. It looks like plenty of trails of every level. I, for one, do not mind getting a map and sticking to the easier trails. Maybe a few of us can make a pre-run of sorts a few weeks (month?) prior so we know what to expect and what to run.

The location is still open, and up for suggestion. Please let us know where you go, what's around (camping, gas, grocery, etc), and if you'd be willing to lead. Also, let us know where these places are, maybe a general location too.

Thanks,
Steve

JJ13
January 8th, 2004, 22:52
I have a friend who has been to Naches several times, if you don't mind a TJ wheeling with us.

Willis
January 9th, 2004, 07:58
Either Tanaum orTeanaway or Liberty area has camping areas there abit of Hiway travel between them but a better choise of places for the creature comforts with Eburg and Cleelum easy access to I 90 and you still have access to the serious rock areas that you get to from the Nachees area there`s enough to keep anybody entertained for a week and when you get tired of dust and dirt you can grab something that floats and do the Yakima River . A great and easy area to find for out of area guests.... :roll:

After looking around on the net, this would be a good option too!

Thanks.

ECKSJAY
January 9th, 2004, 10:19
I have a friend who has been to Naches several times, if you don't mind a TJ wheeling with us.

That, umm, kind of goes against the official event principle. IIRC it would be OK for that person to tag along as a shotgun rider though. ;) (This all depends whether it's an official run, of course.)

:peace:

Erik
January 9th, 2004, 12:41
I have a friend who has been to Naches several times, if you don't mind a TJ wheeling with us.
I really don't see a problem with that, we usually have one of our cousins on XJ trips.

argalaviz
January 9th, 2004, 15:52
FWIW, having someone who has been to the place before is a big bonus. Should be fun regardless.

Dawg Cherokee
January 9th, 2004, 16:55
I would rather have a TJ trail leader that knows where he (or she) is going than an XJ that doesn't.

Willis
January 9th, 2004, 20:29
Here's the section of the bylaws that pertain to a sponsored event


SPONSORED EVENTS AND TRIP RULES

A Sponsored event is by definition an event in which NAXJA formally recognizes the Event as a NAXJA Event, and the Event is attended by at least one Director. Chapter Events must meet the same criteria. Formal recognition of an Event will be established by Board of Director voting procedures, and subsequent publication on the NAXJA website.

Event Regulations

Each Event will have an assigned Trail Master. The Trail Master will lead the Event always with safety in mind. The Trail Master will have ultimate decision making authority for “go/no-go” Event decisions, unless a higher ranking Officer is present at the Event, in which case that Officer has unilateral decision making authority. All event Attendees will follow Trail Master/Officer instructions at all times;

Events only consist of the off-road trail rides or other specially designated activities. The Event begins at the time of the pre-run Driver’s Meeting or functional equivalent, and ends when the group returns to a designated point. For multi-day events, this means that the NAXJA will not organize or coordinate camping or other activities, except as a service to the Members. The Event itself is limited to the organized trail rides;

If the designated Director fails to show up for a scheduled Event, that event is automatically canceled as a NAXJA Event. Any further activity by NAXJA Members or others will not be affiliated with NAXJA;

Each Attendee is ultimately responsible for his or her own safety. Safety concerns should be brought up to the Trail Master or an attending Officer immediately;

Members who choose to bring Guests on an Event are solely responsible for those Guests. Should the Trail Master or Officer determine that any Guest is posing a risk to safety, or simply to the enjoyment of the Event itself, that Guest may be asked to leave via host Member escort provided it is deemed safe to do so by the present ranking Director and/or Trail Master;

All participants must be defined as an Attendee, i.e., either Member or Guest. At no time will any other vehicle be allowed to join any Event. The Trail Master and/or Officer will enforce this policy;

Attendees will notify the Trail Master or an Officer prior to leaving the group for any reason. While NAXJA Directors cannot physically restrain any Attendee to prevent them from leaving, a safety assessment shall be made prior to approving any such action;

Attendees will adhere to Tread Lightly principles at all times. This includes the environment and also the Attendee’s vehicle. Attendees will not put their vehicles at undue risk of damage that would potentially delay the progress of an Event. The Trail Master and/or Officers will monitor Tread Lightly principles, and failure to comply may result in an Attendee being dismissed from an Event;

Alcoholic beverages and other controlled substances are prohibited while driving on or off-road. This includes consumption prior to an Event. Failure to comply will result in dismissal from the Event and probable termination of Membership;

Attendees shall dispose of all trash in designated containers or haul it back out in their vehicle;

No firearms shall be exposed or discharged at any time;

Attendees bringing pets must control them at all times;

Profane language should be used with discretion as NAXJA Events are family focused and there is a likelihood of small children being present.

All vehicles must have the following equipment to attend the off road portion NAXJA sponsored Events

Legally required automobile insurance and registration;

*Fire extinguisher;
*First Aid Kit;
*Tow Rope (no metal hooks allowed), Tow Chain, or Winch;
*Safety belts;
*Spare tire, jack, and lug wrench;
*Hooks both front and rear (or suitable attaching point)
*CB (HIGHLY recommended, but not mandatory)

I think we should all take a look at them to familiarize ourselves with them.

The TJ is no problem. Having someone who knows the area would be nice. He will be a 'guest' though. There was a guy in Moab with a built TJ a few sites down from us that wanted to wheel with our group. We set him up with the right people, he signed up for the trails and had a blast. NAXJA isn't about exclusivity, it's about community.

XJourney
January 12th, 2004, 23:46
I think that the 24th-25th of July sound great to me.

As far as where to go Naches, Liberty, Taneum, and Rimrock are all potencial winners. Since I have never wheeled any of these areas, I have no idea what they are like. Hopefully some of the people that have been to these places can give us some good insight into what these trails hold in store.

So I guess we are looking for somewhere that has enough camping for twenty or so families, trails that range from stocker to XJ/tub buggy hybrid.
and supplies within a reasonable distance.

Now how soon do we need to start looking for sponsers? I am new to helping plan an event. :party:

Willis
January 13th, 2004, 20:07
I think this year it would be nice to just keep this thing simple and not really worry about sponsors, raffles, or a big group BBQ. I think we should all just plan for a nice weekend of wheeling, camping, and evening socializing. However, next year, I'd hope we can get enough donations to hold a nice raffle. Maybe a nice group BBQ/Potluck.

ECKSJAY
January 13th, 2004, 23:09
NAXJA isn't about exclusivity, it's about community.

Dang, so I could've just joined a generic Jeep club and gotten the same thing out of it? Boy did I get duped.

Willis
January 14th, 2004, 22:00
Dang, so I could've just joined a generic Jeep club and gotten the same thing out of it? Boy did I get duped.

No, NAXJA is a club based on the XJ/MJ. To qualify for a NAXJA Individual Membership, one must have "Use of an XJ/MJ to participate in NAXJA Events" (as quoted in the bylaws). Nowhere in the NAXJA bylaws does it state that NAXJA events must be limited to XJ/MJ owners, nor do I think they should.

Every year for Moab, Haggen and his family fly in from Germany and rent a TJ (that's all you can rent in Moab) and go wheeling with the rest of the XJ/MJs. They kinda look out of place, but have a blast doing so. Should he not be allowed since he is not driving an XJ?

The Cascade Cruisers of Oregon hold an annual 'Cruise in the Woods'. It is a very large, fun event. The majority of the event goers are Jeep owners though. The Cascade Cruisers are a Toyota club, hence the Cruiser part (Land Cruiser). To joint their club, you must own a Toyota (Truck, 4runner, Cruiser, etc). Their event is based around wheeling and having fun.

There is an exclusive club based around another Jeep vehicle. You must wheel that vehicle to wheel with them. I have heard others call the members of that club "d!cks" because of this. We don't need to be know as the club who thinks it s#!t don't stink.

Avanteone
January 15th, 2004, 09:42
Hey Steve, just thought I'd chime in. Naches area is a GREAT place to hold the type of event you are talking about. There are WAY more than two trails in that area. You've got the Naches trail itself, and then lots of other stuff up there including two rockcrawling areas (Moon Rocks and Funnyrocks). As you mentioned, it is also in a good location and there are LOTS of areas to camp. We go up there every year on Memorial Day with a large group of people and have a blast. I've been kind of lurking here and watching in the background and may be interested in becoming more involved in this group after seeing it finally getting headed in the right direction. I know several areas up there pretty good and know of a couple others that know the area as well. I've got maps from the PNW4WDA that show the trails in the area as well. John.

ECKSJAY
January 15th, 2004, 11:06
No, NAXJA is a club based on the XJ/MJ. To qualify for a NAXJA Individual Membership, one must have "Use of an XJ/MJ to participate in NAXJA Events" (as quoted in the bylaws). Nowhere in the NAXJA bylaws does it state that NAXJA events must be limited to XJ/MJ owners, nor do I think they should.

Every year for Moab, Haggen and his family fly in from Germany and rent a TJ (that's all you can rent in Moab) and go wheeling with the rest of the XJ/MJs. They kinda look out of place, but have a blast doing so. Should he not be allowed since he is not driving an XJ?

The Cascade Cruisers of Oregon hold an annual 'Cruise in the Woods'. It is a very large, fun event. The majority of the event goers are Jeep owners though. The Cascade Cruisers are a Toyota club, hence the Cruiser part (Land Cruiser). To joint their club, you must own a Toyota (Truck, 4runner, Cruiser, etc). Their event is based around wheeling and having fun.

There is an exclusive club based around another Jeep vehicle. You must wheel that vehicle to wheel with them. I have heard others call the members of that club "d!cks" because of this. We don't need to be know as the club who thinks it s#!t don't stink.

Yeah, my bad. I guess I'll stay a member and opt not to participate. I mean, I am required to have an XJ to join....I am required to pay dues to be a member...but when it comes to events I'm forced to participate with non-XJs? I'm sure they know the areas and can wheel fine, but what am I paying money to belong to, exactly? So I can put a sticker on my Jeep and SAY I'm a member? :confused: With a name like na XJ a one could be led to believe that there's some sort of exclusiveness involved.

JJ13
January 15th, 2004, 11:20
I think it is pretty silly not to participate because a TJ (or something other than an XJ) will be wheeling with us. What if you had been a longtime member of NAXJA and had several friends who you had wheeled XJ's with, and then you decided you wanted a Landcruiser??? Not to mention making our events an XJ only event would be a tad snobbish in my opinion. Do what makes you happy, but I think it is pretty foolish.

ECKSJAY
January 15th, 2004, 11:31
Yeah, my bad. I guess I'll stay a member and opt not to participate. I mean, I am required to have an XJ to join....I am required to pay dues to be a member...but when it comes to events I'm forced to participate with non-XJs? I'm sure they know the areas and can wheel fine, but what am I paying money to belong to, exactly? So I can put a sticker on my Jeep and SAY I'm a member? :confused: With a name like na XJ a one could be led to believe that there's some sort of exclusiveness involved.
:read:

hards91xj
January 15th, 2004, 16:06
Hey Steve, just thought I'd chime in. Naches area is a GREAT place to hold the type of event you are talking about. There are WAY more than two trails in that area. You've got the Naches trail itself, and then lots of other stuff up there including two rockcrawling areas (Moon Rocks and Funnyrocks). As you mentioned, it is also in a good location and there are LOTS of areas to camp. We go up there every year on Memorial Day with a large group of people and have a blast. I've been kind of lurking here and watching in the background and may be interested in becoming more involved in this group after seeing it finally getting headed in the right direction. I know several areas up there pretty good and know of a couple others that know the area as well. I've got maps from the PNW4WDA that show the trails in the area as well. John.
I see somebody else is watching and paying attention to whats suggested like from what I posted earlier. I would like to see a meeting or ? before the end of July .

Glenn B
January 15th, 2004, 16:21
Yeah, my bad. I guess I'll stay a member and opt not to participate. I mean, I am required to have an XJ to join....I am required to pay dues to be a member...but when it comes to events I'm forced to participate with non-XJs? I'm sure they know the areas and can wheel fine, but what am I paying money to belong to, exactly? So I can put a sticker on my Jeep and SAY I'm a member? :confused: With a name like na XJ a one could be led to believe that there's some sort of exclusiveness involved.
That is up to you.

I will point to the By-Laws, and the Elected Club Officers. If you do NOT want to wheel with anything but an XJ, that is up to you..... Grab your elected Club Officers and convince them to change the By-Laws. OR.... run for office for the next elections. Your Platform could be "XJ's only on the trails.... PERIOD. If a TJ/YJ/ZJ...etc... shows up, we will call the POLICE!!"

Seriously, the bylaws (in this respect) have not changed since you joined. Other rigs, as long as they are a Guest of a Member should not be shunned. We have had several people with those silly lil short wheelbase Jeeps, and Zuki's, etc... try to wheel with/keep up with XJ's on the trails. The cannot do it.... no need to exclude them, when we can convince them that the XJ is superior to Barbie Girlie Jeeps. :)

Hey, do not forget... this is all about FUN!!! Trails are fun, regardless of what vehicle they run, or even if they are in Oregon.
Take your marbles and go home if that is what you feel you need to do. Otherwise, lets have some fun.

If you want to be exclusive to XJ's only... good luck. Run for Office, make that change. Beware the MJ owners though.... :D
Glenn

ECKSJAY
January 15th, 2004, 17:31
That is up to you.

I will point to the By-Laws, and the Elected Club Officers. If you do NOT want to wheel with anything but an XJ, that is up to you..... Grab your elected Club Officers and convince them to change the By-Laws. OR.... run for office for the next elections. Your Platform could be "XJ's only on the trails.... PERIOD. If a TJ/YJ/ZJ...etc... shows up, we will call the POLICE!!"

Seriously, the bylaws (in this respect) have not changed since you joined. Other rigs, as long as they are a Guest of a Member should not be shunned. We have had several people with those silly lil short wheelbase Jeeps, and Zuki's, etc... try to wheel with/keep up with XJ's on the trails. The cannot do it.... no need to exclude them, when we can convince them that the XJ is superior to Barbie Girlie Jeeps. :)

Hey, do not forget... this is all about FUN!!! Trails are fun, regardless of what vehicle they run, or even if they are in Oregon.
Take your marbles and go home if that is what you feel you need to do. Otherwise, lets have some fun.

If you want to be exclusive to XJ's only... good luck. Run for Office, make that change. Beware the MJ owners though.... :D
Glenn

Hell with that...I say we just start shooting. :D Seriously though, enough of my playing Devil's Advocate. If you all need me to lead on a run I suppose I can do that. The folks who don't want to stop every 10 feet for photos can roll with me. :)

Willis
January 15th, 2004, 20:07
Hey Steve, just thought I'd chime in. Naches area is a GREAT place to hold the type of event you are talking about. There are WAY more than two trails in that area. You've got the Naches trail itself, and then lots of other stuff up there including two rockcrawling areas (Moon Rocks and Funnyrocks). As you mentioned, it is also in a good location and there are LOTS of areas to camp. We go up there every year on Memorial Day with a large group of people and have a blast. I've been kind of lurking here and watching in the background and may be interested in becoming more involved in this group after seeing it finally getting headed in the right direction. I know several areas up there pretty good and know of a couple others that know the area as well. I've got maps from the PNW4WDA that show the trails in the area as well. John.

Thanks John, if you can make it, how would you feel about leading a group? The maps you have, are they maps issued by the DNR/Forestry Service? Or are they independent maps? Also, would you know where I might get some? If not, I may contact the PNW4WDA to see where they get theirs. It would be nice to have many on hand to hand out to participants.

hards91xj, how do you feel about leading a group? Can I put you on my 'potential leaders' list?

Phil, sorry you feel that way. But the point about the change of a vehicle is a prime example. IE: Beezil (Member 3 or 4 or something ridiculously low) changed from an XJ to a CJ-6 (he is now back to an XJ). Even the 'have use of an XJ' thing gets fudged a bit. He is a founding member, but under your guidelines, he'd not be included in the club he help form. You are in the minority on this subject. Of course, you could always post a poll in the members forum with 2 options to chose from, "Allow 'other vehicles' at NAXJA events", and "Not allow 'other vehicles' at NAXJA events". I think you will find most of our members have nothing against 'other vehicles'. Of course you could have joined a generic Jeep club, but those usually have Bronco's and Sammies tagging along with. Most of us have friends with 'other vehicles', and like to wheel with our friends.

Steve

Willis
January 15th, 2004, 20:10
If you all need me to lead on a run I suppose I can do that. The folks who don't want to stop every 10 feet for photos can roll with me. :)

Oh ya, Do you have experience at Naches? If so, just one or two trails, or many more?

Avanteone
January 15th, 2004, 21:48
Steve, I'd be up for leading a group depending on when you plan your trip. I am crewing on a ProStock car (NHRA) this season so it kind of depends on the race schedule as I will be traveling. I am not sure where my maps are from, I will get a look at them in the morning, they are at my shop in the Jeep. I know the PNW4WDA will be at the Sportsman show in Puyallup coming up at the month and I'm sure they'll have them there.

John

ECKSJAY
January 15th, 2004, 22:38
Oh ya, Do you have experience at Naches? If so, just one or two trails, or many more?

I at least know the route from Whistlin' Jack's up to Funnyrocks. There are a couple of fun hillclimbs on the way up. :) I've also run the wagon trail a couple of times. That whole area is kinda 'ho-hum' later in the year because everyone else has run through everything...and the obstacles are worn down on the trail. Now if we were to go in Sept or Oct it's a different animal and we'd need a good deal of winches and dry socks along. :D:D:D

Overall though a stocker with decent tires and a locker should be OK. When I first ran through that area I had 2" BB and 30" BFG ATs with a front locker. Funnyrocks has a couple of lines that you can try depending on your buildup and skill level. There's a nice crack I remember up there that's a bit of fun for us bigger guys.

As for camping we stayed at Crow Creek, I believe. Bring your own water though. :) I for one am not opposed to 'primitive' campsites and the whole Manastash/Kaner Flats area would suit me fine (though I've not been through there very much). I'm certainly OK with wheeling, camping for the night, packing up, then wheeling to another spot that day. I'll settle for anything. Oh yeah, DEFINITELY keep all food in the vehicles overnight...NOTHING in your tents. We see bears every time we go out that way. ;) Our first trip out with PNWXJ (a month after we formed) found us waking up to a bear trying to get into a trash can a couple of sites away. It's exciting to hear banging followed by grunts and snorts. :D Also at that campground that weekend were some Early Bronco club folks who seemed to not care about others around them. Grinders and air tools running at midnight to fix what they had broken during the day. :( What else? Hmm, be prepared to not have ANY, repeat, ANY open flames whatsoever. Your morning newspaper probably has more moisture in it than the brush does around there during a typical Summer. Very scary.

BTW, I have maps around somewhere also. I'll take a look.

cherokeekid
January 16th, 2004, 00:04
If John leads I'll hit it! never been to Nachos

Not really worried 'bout bears. I'll just bring the captain's crew :skull2: with me and take care of business.

Keep these boys in line Mr. Willis

(sorry been chasing a black bat all night)

John90XJ
January 16th, 2004, 07:51
We'd better rustle up some money so John can join. You can't lead a trail run unless you have the sticker.:anon:

ECKSJAY
January 16th, 2004, 09:01
We'd better rustle up some money so John can join. You can't lead a trail run unless you have the sticker.:anon:

Ow, my ribs. ;) Hehe...oh well, you were the one I was referring to with the 'stopping every 10 feet to take photos' comment. :D :twak: Oh, I got my brake lines changed finally, lol. The YJ ones were too short, had to go aftermarket. Gobs o' flex these days.

I owe ya a few rounds, John. Let's meet up soon. :cheers:

hards91xj
January 16th, 2004, 22:44
Sure put me down for "Potential Leaders list" or rear gunners list. Is there going to be a planning meeting or something before long?

Willis
January 17th, 2004, 08:18
Sure put me down for "Potential Leaders list" or rear gunners list. Is there going to be a planning meeting or something before long?

Thanks! Once I can get some maps and information together, we can plan a meeting. It's not completely necessary, but would be nice to go over the material in person with some of the leaders and anyone else that would wish to show up.

Erik
January 19th, 2004, 15:49
Oh yeah, DEFINITELY keep all food in the vehicles overnight...NOTHING in your tents. We see bears every time we go out that way. ;) Our first trip out with PNWXJ (a month after we formed) found us waking up to a bear trying to get into a trash can a couple of sites away. It's exciting to hear banging followed by grunts and snorts. :D Also at that campground that weekend were some Early Bronco club folks who seemed to not care about others around them. Grinders and air tools running at midnight to fix what they had broken during the day. :( What else? Hmm, be prepared to not have ANY, repeat, ANY open flames whatsoever. Your morning newspaper probably has more moisture in it than the brush does around there during a typical Summer. Very scary.

BTW, I have maps around somewhere also. I'll take a look.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys, how's it going? Work has been keeping me REAL busy, so I haven't had much of a chance to check in here. So July 24/25 for Naches is the plan? I've never been there and that date works great for me. ECKSJAY post raised a question for me though, should we expect a :flame: :nono: in July? Does that include stoves? What will I eat :spam: ? And a comment on locking food in Jeeps, while that may be our best bet, it doesn't always work. Bears in CA have learned to break out the rear/side windows of SUV's . Actually all they have to do is hit it real hard, and the window will pop right out and/or break. If someone just brings a dog with them it would be real helpful. Camping in the NW is the only situation where I would kick Halle Barry out of my sleeping bag for eating crackers, but it has to be done.

argalaviz
January 19th, 2004, 16:22
Oh yeah, DEFINITELY keep all food in the vehicles overnight...NOTHING in your tents. We see bears every time we go out that way. ;) Our first trip out with PNWXJ (a month after we formed) found us waking up to a bear trying to get into a trash can a couple of sites away. It's exciting to hear banging followed by grunts and snorts. :D Also at that campground that weekend were some Early Bronco club folks who seemed to not care about others around them. Grinders and air tools running at midnight to fix what they had broken during the day. :( What else? Hmm, be prepared to not have ANY, repeat, ANY open flames whatsoever. Your morning newspaper probably has more moisture in it than the brush does around there during a typical Summer. Very scary.

BTW, I have maps around somewhere also. I'll take a look.

Hey guys, how's it going? Work has been keeping me REAL busy, so I haven't had much of a chance to check in here. So July 24/25 for Naches is the plan? I've never been there and that date works great for me. ECKSJAY post raised a question for me though, should we expect a :flame: :nono: in July? Does that include stoves? What will I eat :spam: ? And a comment on locking food in Jeeps, while that may be our best bet, it doesn't always work. Bears in CA have learned to break out the rear/side windows of SUV's . Actually all they have to do is hit it real hard, and the window will pop right out and/or break. If someone just brings a dog with them it would be real helpful. Camping in the NW is the only situation where I would kick Halle Barry out of my sleeping bag for eating crackers, but it has to be done.[/QUOTE]

As far as bears go it's best to get the food away and up in the air. I camp at a place in Whistler that has pulleys and ropes set up so you hoist the stuff 30' up the air. It's always fun to see bears...

Would you guys laugh too much if people "camped" in RV's?

ECKSJAY
January 19th, 2004, 16:44
ECKSJAY post raised a question for me though, should we expect a :flame: :nono: in July? Does that include stoves? What will I eat :spam: ? And a comment on locking food in Jeeps, while that may be our best bet, it doesn't always work. Bears in CA have learned to break out the rear/side windows of SUV's . Actually all they have to do is hit it real hard, and the window will pop right out and/or break. If someone just brings a dog with them it would be real helpful. Camping in the NW is the only situation where I would kick Halle Barry out of my sleeping bag for eating crackers, but it has to be done.

Heya Erik, my comment on food in the vehicles wasn't so much the keeping the food safe as it was keeping the bears away from the campers. ;) But yeah, if someone brings along a dog (that doesn't bark at every damned thing!) it will help keep them away. Oh as for stoves they are OK so long as they are gas. Same goes for grills without the briquette rocks in the bottom. The idea is to be able to turn the knob and shut it off immediately. My gas Coleman stove doesn't sit and have the potential for smoldering after I turn it off. :D I'll probably be eating Spam anyway. I'm weird like that. lol

Still haven't tracked down the maps yet. It's amazing how much time you don't have once you have a family. :confused1

XJourney
January 25th, 2004, 00:37
Well to sum up what we have discussed so far
It looks like Naches July 24-25.

Potential trail leader list includes
Hards91xj
Aventeone
Ecksjay
JJ13's TJ Friend?

Have I forgot anyone?

Fire and bear dangers, now that is how you add to a weekend of fun party1:
(I could possibly bring my pup (well behaived 100lb German Shep with a bark to match))

Does all of this sound right?
Remember there is nothing in cement yet so any changes are possible.

ladywolf
January 25th, 2004, 09:27
Hey everyone! I'm new, but from the Eastern side of the Cascades. As for the fest you guys are comin up with, I know theres some good runs up on White and Chinook pass to run that are readilly accecable from the highways, and that have some nice campgrounds close by. If you can get in touch with anyone from the Lower Valley Canyon Crawlers (go through the PNW4WDA official website) i'm sure that those guys could give some good info on the trails. Right now I'd be hoping for a summer wheeling event. Currently I'm in Iraq, deployed in support of operation Iraqi Freedom, but would love to be involved, somehow, someway, even if it just meant riding along because my XJ is still in Germany. If you guys need any more help or info, I'd be glad to help!

Kristen

ladywolf
January 25th, 2004, 09:31
Ecksjay
Hey, was reading through the forum and found you guys are looking for some good trails for the Naches run. If you get in contact with the Lower Valley Canyon Crawlers, I know for a fact that they run some of the good trails both up at Rimrock, and over on the chinook pass.. (lily pads, funny rocks). You can find the lower valley canyon crawlers through PNW4WDA's official website: www.pnw4wda.com i belive it is. Would love to be involved somehow. If you can get the crawlers to show you some trails, you'd have a lot of fun. I've wheeled with them as a passenger since i was a tyke and have always found it enjoyable. The people are great, even if there is a 'toy or two runnin around. You will definitely find theres quite a selection of jeeps that like to run the trails from willys to cj's to a brand new rubicon or two.

Kristen

p.s. will try to get you the site for the canyon crawlers if you want, just send me an email at krisj00@yahoo.com or kristen.jensen@us.army.mil

ECKSJAY
January 25th, 2004, 11:30
Fire and bear dangers, now that is how you add to a weekend of fun party1:
(I could possibly bring my pup (well behaived 100lb German Shep with a bark to match))


Doesn't it sound great!? Would love to see the 'pup', Hans. I've had a couple myself and miss the hell out of them. :(

Ladywolf, good to see you here. Keep safe over there and make it back to the States, you hear? Sent you an e-mail. Thanks for the contact info.

railroadjeep
January 25th, 2004, 18:26
We'd better rustle up some money so John can join. You can't lead a trail run unless you have the sticker.:anon:

If all John needs is the sticker, I'll loan him mine [:D]

Timb
January 25th, 2004, 22:07
Well seems like things are going in a good direction now... Naches is a fun place with a ton of trails for every modification level, as said above. Ive been to Naches a few times and wont mind helping out. Bears dont bother me and neither does fire danger, you just have to bring some common sence with you. I lived in leavenworth and had bears in the yard and a forest fire across the street, I dont have a glock and im still alive. Pretty much any weekend is good for me. Sounds fun and hope to meet some of you all.

BTW great job Steve glad to see your work paying off.

Willis
January 26th, 2004, 23:03
Thanks Tim. It really wasn't much work at all. Just had to figure out what needed to be done, cross the 'I's and dot the 'T's :D

It would be better to have Members lead, however, I do not believe you need be a NAXJA Member to lead, and definitely don't have to be a member to participate. After all, leaders are just the first guy in line :)

Ladywolf: If you make it back over here in time for our run, we will absolutely find you a seat. Many thanks from all of us here, to all of you over there! Be safe.

Steve

ladywolf
January 27th, 2004, 06:26
Thanks for the offer, I will hold you to it. Not sure when yet I'll be home, possibly in may or june if you guys are gonna do a run then. I'm tryin to get stationed at ft lewis after my tour in germany is done later this year so then i'll be able to hit a few more runs with you guys. Be safe and have fun 'wheelin in them thar hills iffen i cant make it!

Kristen

dellstopjeep
January 27th, 2004, 23:04
not to interrupt the post but anyone in the vancouver wa area or around it wheeled at larch mountain? by washougal? just wanted to see if its worth my time

ladywolf
January 28th, 2004, 09:33
Hey Ecksjay or Timb, have you guys ever heard of Crane Diff covers and stuff? They've ran a couple of articles using them in both JP mag. and Four Wheeler, and I was wonderin if you guys knew anyone who had used 'em. I was thinkin about gettin some, since I will need diff prot. eventually. Hope to hear back from you guys soon, and maybe we'll go Wheeling!

Kristen

ECKSJAY
January 29th, 2004, 11:45
Hey Ecksjay or Timb, have you guys ever heard of Crane Diff covers and stuff? They've ran a couple of articles using them in both JP mag. and Four Wheeler, and I was wonderin if you guys knew anyone who had used 'em. I was thinkin about gettin some, since I will need diff prot. eventually. Hope to hear back from you guys soon, and maybe we'll go Wheeling!

Kristen

E-mailed ya.

Timb
January 29th, 2004, 13:05
Hey Ecksjay or Timb, have you guys ever heard of Crane Diff covers and stuff? They've ran a couple of articles using them in both JP mag. and Four Wheeler, and I was wonderin if you guys knew anyone who had used 'em. I was thinkin about gettin some, since I will need diff prot. eventually. Hope to hear back from you guys soon, and maybe we'll go Wheeling!

Kristen

I just have stock covers on mine. I would like to get the Crane covers but they're more $$ than i have to spend right now.

Erik
January 30th, 2004, 18:01
Hey Ecksjay or Timb, have you guys ever heard of Crane Diff covers and stuff? They've ran a couple of articles using them in both JP mag. and Four Wheeler, and I was wonderin if you guys knew anyone who had used 'em. I was thinkin about gettin some, since I will need diff prot. eventually. Hope to hear back from you guys soon, and maybe we'll go Wheeling!

Kristen

I haven't seen the Crane covers so I can't comment on them, but I would suggest that you check out the diff cover protectors from Avalanche. I'm using a 4X Doctor diff cover protector, but I don't really like it. It has a tendency to lossen up the diff cover bolts. If I would just stop banging it against rocks it would probally be fine, but I like hitting rocks. Wish I had bought the version from Avalanche, then I could hit the rocks without worry.

ladywolf
January 31st, 2004, 06:04
I was just wonderin cuz i've seen a couple of articles on them in both JP mag and petersons offroad, i think. dont remember. things over here have been a little hairy the past couple of days, but everything is ok. i bought my lift kit! 3.5'' RE super flex. so hopefully when i come home it will be a fairly simple install. got any ideas to make it go faster? Hope to wheel with you guys when i get to come home in leave this spring!

Kris

jeepxj35MTR
February 27th, 2004, 16:12
I have been wheeling little naches for 5 years now, and i love it. I am planning on starting to run it this year around the middle of aprail, i go for the weekends. I have been on most all of the trails up there. If anyone is interested in going,any time, we can set up a weekend, e-mail me at jeepxj35mtr@hotmail.com
thanks
josh

hards91xj
February 28th, 2004, 23:16
Mid April could be a little early for that area , Snow ,Chinook Pass won`t be open yet ,It`s a long haul around to get there from the West side.

jeepxj35MTR
February 29th, 2004, 08:54
mid aprial there is still a lot of snow up there, but that just makes it more fun!

ECKSJAY
February 29th, 2004, 10:16
mid aprial there is still a lot of snow up there, but that just makes it more fun!

Many of the trails are still closed then...and don't officially open up until later. Last year a group went up there and were picked up by the local cops. Not generally a thing to advocate. ;) But hey, if you know trails that are open at that time let us know. That could be fun...

ladywolf
March 2nd, 2004, 03:28
If I may input my opinion, I could email my brother or my grandma and ask which trails are open early and which arent. They both belong to the Lower Valley Canyon Crawlers, and they run the area quite frequently so it should be fairly easy to find out. things here in my area are ok, the weather is DEFINITELY warming up. Hopefully will be outta this hellhole within the next 2 months, then JEEPIN HERE I COME! Hope to see you guys all out there!

Kristen