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Francesco
December 6th, 2017, 10:46
Edit: I'm talking about the skyjacker mid arm. sorry!! Hey everyone, recently completed a Dana 44 swap into my MJ - I'll take some pics and upload them if anyone would like to see. However, I would like some longer control arms and was wondering if anyone had heard any negatives on this kit? I'm not sure about anything of it really, how long the arms are, etc. I'm not really into the long arm kits, and would prefer short arms, but I was thinking about drop brackets, but then saw these kits. Does anyone have one that they would sell, or at least give measurements off of so I can start looking?
Thanks

smokeyyank
December 6th, 2017, 13:04
Heck yes, upload away!

Are you talking about this? Looks like glorified drop brackets for a ton of cash.....

https://skyjacker.com/shop/suspension-lift-kit/jc455rr2ks-h/#configuration

For that money, I'd go long arms and definitely not Skyjacker.

Personally I wouldn't go drop brackets for a rig that I wheel. It's not that they are terrible but I'd rather have a solid 3 link. Pavement princess drop brackets are more than fine.

Really depends on what function you are looking to accomplish.

Francesco
December 6th, 2017, 14:10
Yes, I don't think I'll be able to fit legit long arms due to my custom axle and mounts, and I don't like how long they hang down. I'd like to do the mid arm, as I'm worried of maxing out my control arms at 4.5" and it limits my down travel a lot, but I thought drop brackets would suck too. It's tough. They seem better than nothing!

Francesco
December 6th, 2017, 14:11
And I'm talking about this for reference:
https://goo.gl/images/5XEv1Q

cal
December 6th, 2017, 14:14
So that kit, if you can find one, has some of the best performing (read, this does not mean big flex) characteristics you will come up with.

They are also hard to actually get, as Skyjacker does not appear to sell it anymore and hasn't in a long time.

smokeyyank
December 6th, 2017, 14:50
Gothca, was thrown off because as Cal said they don't have it listed as a product on their website, but Jegs has it for sale, so..... guess they still make it. At $2,400 though seems like a lot of coin for what it is, but I honestly don't know enough about it.

Found these on an older threads

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1040520

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=27336

cal
December 6th, 2017, 14:52
Jegs and Summit often keep something listed for a long time after it is discontinued. When you try to actually order it they'll discover they can't get it anymore and take it down.

Francesco
December 6th, 2017, 15:58
Yep, so I'm on the lookout. They're actually reasonably priced when used the issue is just finding one. Good to know cal - I'm glad they handle well.

cody4359
December 6th, 2017, 17:08
I had an xj with drop brackets and was more than happy with it, I'm not a hard core wheeler tho. my mj has the rock crawler 3 link with high clearance arms, and I've yet to have an issue offroad. they no longer make that kit tho. I've always liked the synergy offroad setup. when I first got this rig 6 or 7 years ago I was actually looking at the skyjacker kit and it was hard to find. I think just the cradle was $800.

perhaps you can find a bracket you like and have some lower control arms bent up to give you a little more room

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Francesco
December 6th, 2017, 18:52
Hey Cody,
That's the plan. I would like to just have the crossmember/girdle whatever you'd like to call it. I have a new axle in the front, and need to push the axle forward in order to clear, and would have to make new control arms anyways. Do you have any pictures of your 3 link?
Thanks

cody4359
December 6th, 2017, 19:05
that seems to be the only one during install that I could find in the build thread. my passenger side rubber bushing has worn out, and I can't get ahold of rock krawler to find out what size/I'm to lazy to drop it and look. other than that no problems with it.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171207/a16b2c761bfbe35fa03f66c56ebf5bca.jpg

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Francesco
December 7th, 2017, 17:18
Very cool. Still on the hunt for some skyjacker mid arms.

ehall
December 7th, 2017, 18:44
I've always liked the synergy offroad setup.
Synergy discontinued their brackets

StinkyFab is looking into making similar ones I believe

khales6
December 7th, 2017, 20:07
I had the rockready mid arms on my old 91. Loved them. I sold that Jeep with the suspension. It has since been swapped into a 97 with a 9” and 44, and working well. I liked it so much I am modding some RE drop brackets to mimic the geometry. The lower arm is 4” longer that stock.

RCP Phx
December 8th, 2017, 10:48
Yes, I don't think I'll be able to fit legit long arms due to my custom axle and mounts, and I don't like how long they hang down. I'd like to do the mid arm, as I'm worried of maxing out my control arms at 4.5" and it limits my down travel a lot, but I thought drop brackets would suck too. It's tough. They seem better than nothing!

Without seeing what you've done as far as brackets, it's hard to say what will work for you.
What are you're aversions to long arms?

Francesco
December 8th, 2017, 17:27
I don't really want long arms because they're just too long for how low they hang down on jeeps, i think a mid arm is much better for my application. For my mounts, I have raised both the upper and lower axle side mounts about 2" using Clayton mounts, and converted the uppers to 2" johnny joints.

burntkat
December 8th, 2017, 19:56
How are you using the Clayton mounts for midarms?

RCP Phx
December 9th, 2017, 08:15
How much lift are you doing? Are you doing the welding? Are the frame side mounts still intact? Do you have a extra set of factory control arms ?

After that you just need to get the axle under the Jeep and with weight on it! Then you can take measurements and see where your headed with this!

And some pics !!!

Francesco
December 9th, 2017, 17:45
Here are some pics:

https://i.imgur.com/Pov99ZWl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4EsAneFl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/lWGAsPNl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BBMHm03l.jpg

Francesco
December 9th, 2017, 17:46
https://i.imgur.com/2Itr7Rbl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/laSv2ujl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gT1ne6Dl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3uX8yXLl.jpg

VAhasnoWAVES
December 11th, 2017, 07:25
i think you are overthinking the long arm thing.

i beat mine off of everything. even to the point that i bent 2"x.25" DOM. never once did i think that it was a hindrance. in actuality, the lower control arm made a great skid for the front drive shaft.

RCP Phx
December 11th, 2017, 08:27
Since your concerns are adjustability and ground clearance I would lean towards the TNT kit.
https://www.tntcustoms.com/sites/default/files/styles/product_display/public/products/DSC00527.JPG?itok=GdHTu5uF

TRCM
December 11th, 2017, 20:39
or this when the get it finished...............

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1143773

Heavyopp
December 11th, 2017, 23:31
or this when the get it finished...............

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1143773




Seems like every one of their product development threads ends the same way -- abruptly

They left me hanging mid private conversation where their marketing manager said "these are available for pre-order" -- my reply was "I'm interested, how much?"

That was around 2 months ago. Never to be heard from again both in private messages and their own thread

Point is I wouldn't hold my breathe for that to be available to just anyone

Demonoid369
December 11th, 2017, 23:56
Seems like every one of their product development threads ends the same way -- abruptly



They left me hanging mid private conversation where their marketing manager said "these are available for pre-order" -- my reply was "I'm interested, how much?"



That was around 2 months ago. Never to be heard from again both in private messages and their own thread



Point is I wouldn't hold my breathe for that to be available to just anyone



Did you reply back again or try Facebook? Andy has always been good at quick replies And chatting.

Heavyopp
December 12th, 2017, 17:24
Did you reply back again or try Facebook? Andy has always been good at quick replies And chatting.


I was chatting with Kevin but he was using Andy's login -- we where in a few day conversation when all response stopped

Francesco
December 13th, 2017, 09:21
I've never wanted long arms because they just look thrown together to me, and I felt like geometry was an after thought because the arms were so long. Plus I didn't want to sacrifice any on road handling as I drive my truck harder than I should, And I've heard that you lose a little bit of that. Plus isn't floor board clearance an issue? Especially with raised mounts.

freerider15
December 13th, 2017, 09:23
I've never wanted long arms because they just look thrown together to me, and I felt like geometry was an after thought because the arms were so long. Plus I didn't want to sacrifice any on road handling as I drive my truck harder than I should, And I've heard that you lose a little bit of that. Plus isn't floor board clearance an issue? Especially with raised mounts.

:confused:

Thrown together?

Wrong Geometry?

Sacrificing On Road Handling?

Floor Board Clearance?

burntkat
December 13th, 2017, 09:25
I've never wanted long arms because they just look thrown together to me, and I felt like geometry was an after thought because the arms were so long. Plus I didn't want to sacrifice any on road handling as I drive my truck harder than I should, And I've heard that you lose a little bit of that. Plus isn't floor board clearance an issue? Especially with raised mounts.

Who on earth are you talking to about longarms?

I'll give that they might look thrown together. Maybe you're too concerned with looks, and what people think? Simple fact is, this is a point of personal preference.

Geometry is WHY you go to longarms. A longer arm makes it more smooth in its travel when you've lifted the vehicle. This directly equates to a smoother ride onroad, and more flex off.

Floorboard clearance? Not if it's built right.

Francesco
December 13th, 2017, 09:31
Okay. Well I will look into fitting long arms. Maybe I just don't like them because everyone I know has an RC kit or q radius arm and I don't like those.

RCP Phx
December 13th, 2017, 10:15
I bought my 2000 XJ brand new and started lifting it the following week! 3 yrs and 5 lifts later I settle on radius arms, 14 yrs later, it's never drove better since since(better than stock)!
http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1145141

smokeyyank
December 13th, 2017, 12:35
Okay. Well I will look into fitting long arms. Maybe I just don't like them because everyone I know has an RC kit or q radius arm and I don't like those.

I think you need some new friends......

You got some fab skills so if I where you I'd put them to use. I bet you could dial up something that will give you great on and off road capabilities. Obviously you'll have some challenges to get them to work, but end results should be well worth it.

freerider15
December 13th, 2017, 14:01
Okay. Well I will look into fitting long arms. Maybe I just don't like them because everyone I know has an RC kit or q radius arm and I don't like those.

By all means, if you can go 3 link, go 3 link. It's a superior setup to longarms.

That being said, there's not too much wrong with longarms, other than they will want to unload on climbs. That however can be dealt with other ways.

Heavyopp
December 14th, 2017, 14:18
I bought my 2000 XJ brand new and started lifting it the following week! 3 yrs and 5 lifts later I settle on radius arms, 14 yrs later, it's never drove better since since(better than stock)!
http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1145141


I'm very confused at the difference detween radius arms and 4 link -- why is what you built considered a radius arm setup and not a 4 link setup

Don't you have 4 separate control arms all independent of each other?

burntkat
December 14th, 2017, 14:47
Radius arms, the uppers triangulate into the lowers. There are only two points on the fore/aft arms that connect to the chassis.

4-link, there are 4 points on the fore/aft arms that connect.

Guess how many are on the three link!

Heavyopp
December 15th, 2017, 07:59
Radius arms, the uppers triangulate into the lowers. There are only two points on the fore/aft arms that connect to the chassis.

4-link, there are 4 points on the fore/aft arms that connect.

Guess how many are on the three link!


Right -- thats what I thought

RCP Phx, in his link, shows what you just described as 4 link yet he calls it a radius arm setup

Maybe he's confused on the terminology too...


Edit while I can -- Maybe I'm wrong and looking at incomplete pictures in his thread -- Sure looks like he has the tabs welded on the lower arm for the uppers in the 1 painted, what seems to be complete, lower arm -- With no picture of the complete, painted, installed setup we'll have to wait for him to confirm

RCP Phx
December 15th, 2017, 08:44
It's definitely "radius arm". While I mocked it all up I was using all the factory mounts/arms to hold the axle in place.

twinhauler
December 15th, 2017, 11:06
I built a custom midarm 3 link and it drives on the road amazing and wheels great. I have a lot more traction than stock short arms. I been very happy with it.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171215/5549e983ff19a03286b41092356dbf61.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171215/4d9257ecadbda74d348f29c2022e3b80.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171215/44ae2897eb927219a79fb5e38c5bb627.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171215/9289d460f1b62a0de63b1f7fe0367a57.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171215/a8cb468a9f10f0164e280bf760ae36c5.jpg

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RCP Phx
December 15th, 2017, 11:47
That's some what more of a mid-arms set-up!

dktool
December 15th, 2017, 21:01
This is the direction I am heading, re: the r/s frame mount, what was the upper and lower mount separation dimension that you used and also the axle mount C/L height.

Any other sizing tips like eye to eye length etc......

burntkat
December 16th, 2017, 07:36
Something you may want to do if you haven't already, is to plate the uniframe rails. This stiffens the structure and gives you a MUCH better foundation to build upon.

That's the only problem I'm having with my Clayton longarms. I welded them to the unframe. While they aren't failing, I wish if plated the frame first. It's going to be a stone bitch trying to work around them to plate the uniframe.

twinhauler
December 16th, 2017, 15:37
My midarm setup. .. Lowers are angled down about 9 degrees. Lower links are 23.25" the upper link is 24". I was able to get almost 5.5" frame seperation. Axle seperation is 8.75".. I am totally happy with the setup.

Francesco
December 25th, 2017, 04:07
Well,
after some time, I finally got the mounts relocated, and the track bar attached, and I've been driving it around. I'm pretty happy with how it sits, but I need to make a custom drag link and track bar, to clear the oil pan and the diff cover, but I'm not sure where I can go to get that done. Coming soon! Either way, here are some pics of the finished product:
https://i.imgur.com/wViYPnpl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WKZRruWl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/M2iSsksl.jpg
still had way more to go, and my shocks are way too short as it is, needs bumpstops though.
https://i.imgur.com/mNDXjzQl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/amzIFj4l.jpg
Angles are actually a lot closer than this, but I don't want to lower the track bar a hole, due to the extra leverage and more interference with the diff cover

RCP Phx
December 25th, 2017, 05:55
What did you end up doing for ca's?

Francesco
December 25th, 2017, 06:15
For now, I'm running short arms. I will eventually run the IronMan long arms, I've decided.