yossarian19
NAXJA Forum User
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- Grass Valley, CA
First, I'll say a few things I know to be true about the pitman nuts (in case somebody finds this thread later)
It is a 1 5/16" wrench size. The torque specification is 185 ft-lbs and the thread size is 7/8-14 UNC. It's a common enough size in industrial applications, so Fastenal should have one on hand.
Today marked the second time I put a wrench on the pitman arm nut and found it way-too-damn-loose. This, with my newborn son in the car. Not Effing Cool. From what I've read on this forum, it's not exactly uncommon, either, to find the pitman nut pretty loose on the shaft.
As I see it, there are three solutions when a split ring lock washer (like the factory supplied) just isn't enough.
One, use loctite. Given that I'd oneday like to be able to remove my pitman arm, and I'm not sure how loctite holds up a a constant bath of PS fluid (what, your box doesn't leak?) I am counting this one out.
Two, double-nut the thing. This is when you take a second nut & torque it down against the first. A full explanation (it's more complex than it appears) can be found HERE. This requires a torque wrench, a 1 5/16 combination wrench & a second pinion nut. If I'm understanding what I've read there correctly, this technique relies on tensile preloading of the threaded member to lock the nuts together.
Since even a grade 5 7/8-14 thread takes 350+ ft lbs to preload, I'm calling this a "meh" option. I read one post by a guy who said he'd used a bunch of loctite & double nutted his buddy's shaft (filth intended) and hadn't had any problems. Probably the loctite but maybe a sub-optimal double nut would help too.
Three - switch to a metal locknut. This is the way I'm leaning. Fastenal is closed Sunday nights or I'd be there right now.
Hopefully this is helpful to somebody, at some point. The take-home AFAIK is this: spend $15 at fastenal and get a locking nut that won't come loose, torque to 180 ft-lbs with a 1 5/16 socket & you shouldn't have to worry about it again. If it was just me in the car, I wouldn't be posting : but with the car seat, well, it got my attention.
It is a 1 5/16" wrench size. The torque specification is 185 ft-lbs and the thread size is 7/8-14 UNC. It's a common enough size in industrial applications, so Fastenal should have one on hand.
Today marked the second time I put a wrench on the pitman arm nut and found it way-too-damn-loose. This, with my newborn son in the car. Not Effing Cool. From what I've read on this forum, it's not exactly uncommon, either, to find the pitman nut pretty loose on the shaft.
As I see it, there are three solutions when a split ring lock washer (like the factory supplied) just isn't enough.
One, use loctite. Given that I'd oneday like to be able to remove my pitman arm, and I'm not sure how loctite holds up a a constant bath of PS fluid (what, your box doesn't leak?) I am counting this one out.
Two, double-nut the thing. This is when you take a second nut & torque it down against the first. A full explanation (it's more complex than it appears) can be found HERE. This requires a torque wrench, a 1 5/16 combination wrench & a second pinion nut. If I'm understanding what I've read there correctly, this technique relies on tensile preloading of the threaded member to lock the nuts together.
Since even a grade 5 7/8-14 thread takes 350+ ft lbs to preload, I'm calling this a "meh" option. I read one post by a guy who said he'd used a bunch of loctite & double nutted his buddy's shaft (filth intended) and hadn't had any problems. Probably the loctite but maybe a sub-optimal double nut would help too.
Three - switch to a metal locknut. This is the way I'm leaning. Fastenal is closed Sunday nights or I'd be there right now.
Hopefully this is helpful to somebody, at some point. The take-home AFAIK is this: spend $15 at fastenal and get a locking nut that won't come loose, torque to 180 ft-lbs with a 1 5/16 socket & you shouldn't have to worry about it again. If it was just me in the car, I wouldn't be posting : but with the car seat, well, it got my attention.