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xjs still running like crap

McJesse

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I have an 88 laredo and its spuddering when I'm giving it gas.
So far I've replaced...
Injectors
Fuel filter
Spark plugs
Cap and rotor
Plug wires
And I thibk it was called and idle air control sensor?

Buy after all that it still is running the same
If you guys have any ideas please let me know I'm pretty despirate right now haven't gone wheelin in like 3-4 weeks Haha I'm dieing here
 
What's the compression.. in all cylinders? Have you checked all the vacume lines. What about the map sensor? Also check and make sure your coil is good.
 
Dont forget to clean your Throttle body out. i was having a hesitation on takeoff, and really low idle. I cleaned 21 years worth of black crap out of it and.... NO more hesitation and now i have a high idle problem LOL
 
Sometimes taking it to a shop is cheap, saves you buying a bunch of parts you don't need. What kind of sputtering, and exactly when? What's the fuel pressure? Is the MAP sensor hose hooked up? Is it leaning out, not enough fuel, or is it overly rich and blowing out black smoke? Not enough fuel (low fuel pressure) can be the pump, overly rich can be a MAP sensor.

Are all cylinders misfiring or is there one cylinder misfiring? Have you pulled each plug wire one at a time to isolate the cylinders to see if only one is misfiring?
 
Sometimes taking it to a shop is cheap, saves you buying a bunch of parts you don't need. What kind of sputtering, and exactly when? What's the fuel pressure? Is the MAP sensor hose hooked up? Is it leaning out, not enough fuel, or is it overly rich and blowing out black smoke? Not enough fuel (low fuel pressure) can be the pump, overly rich can be a MAP sensor.

Are all cylinders misfiring or is there one cylinder misfiring? Have you pulled each plug wire one at a time to isolate the cylinders to see if only one is misfiring?

It seems like its running rich and it just seems like its not running on all cylinders but I'm not sure
 
1. Fuel pressure. It is one of the FIRST thing a technician would check at an ASE shop. For an 88, you should have 31 psi at idle. Then disconnect the vacuum line leading to the fuel pressure regulator and the pressure should jump to approximately 39 psi.

2. Throttle position sensor. Very common fail, especially on the RENIX. Test it and be sure yours is adjusted properly. More on that below. And yes, clean your throttle body!

3. Run a compression test as earlier mentioned. The spec for the 4.0 is 120-150 psi, with no more than a 30 psi variation between cylinders. Don't overlook the internal condition of an older engine!

4. Here is a link to testing many things on the 87-90. Bookmark it and utilize it to test sensors, etc.

http://www.lunghd.com/Tech_Articles/Engine/Basic_Sensors_Diagnostics.htm
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RENIX TPS ADJUSTMENT

Before attempting to adjust your TPS be sure the throttle body has been recently cleaned.
It's especially important that the edges of the throttle butterfly are free of any carbon build-up.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Using one lead of your ohmmeter, probe the B terminal of the flat 3 wire connector
of the TPS . The letters are embossed on the connector itself.
Touch the other lead of your meter to the negative battery post.
If you see more than 1 ohm of resistance some modifications to the sensor ground harness will be
necessary. The harness repair must be performed before proceeding.
I can provide an instruction sheet for that if needed.

MANUAL TRANSMISSION:

RENIX manual transmission equipped XJs have a three-wire TPS mounted on the throttle body.
This manual transmission vehicle TPS provides data input to the ECU. The manual transmission
TPS has three wires in the connector and they're clearly embossed with the letters A,B, and C.

Wire "A" is positive.
Wire "B" is ground.

Key ON, measure voltage from "A" positive to "B" ground by back-probing the connectors..
Note the voltage reading--this is your REFERENCE voltage.

Key ON, back-probe the connector at wires "B" and "C". Measure the voltage. This is your
OUTPUT voltage.
Your OUTPUT voltage needs to be seventeen percent of your REFERENCE voltage. For
example: 4.82 volts X .17=.82 volts. Adjust the TPS until you have achieved this percentage. If
you can't achieve the correct output voltage replace the TPS and start over.

AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:

RENIX automatic transmission equipped XJs have a TPS with two connectors. There is a three-
wire connector, same as the manual transmission vehicles have, and it is tested the same as the
manual transmission equipped vehicles--FOR ENGINE MANAGEMENT RELATED ISSUES.

However, the automatic TPS also has a four-wire connector clearly embossed with the letters
A,B,C, and D.. For the automatic transmission equipped vehicles the four-wire connector
provides data to the TCU.

Key ON, measure voltage between "A" positive and "D" ground. Note the voltage. This is your
REFERENCE voltage.

Back-probe the connector at wires "B" and "D". Measure the voltage. This is your OUTPUT
voltage. Your OUTPUT voltage needs to be eighty-three percent of your REFERENCE voltage.
For example 4.8 volts X .83=3.98 volts. Adjust the TPS until you have achieved this percentage.
If you can't, replace the TPS and start over.

So, if you have an automatic equipped XJ your TPS has two sides--one side feeds the ECU, and
the other side feeds the TCU. If you have TRANSMISSION issues check the four-wire
connector side of the TPS. If you have ENGINE issues check the three-wire connector side of
the TPS.

For those with a MANUAL TRANSMISSION--the TPS for the manual transmission XJs is
stupid expensive. You can substitute the automatic transmission TPS which is reasonably priced.
 
1. Fuel pressure. It is one of the FIRST thing a technician would check at an ASE shop. For an 88, you should have 31 psi at idle. Then disconnect the vacuum line leading to the fuel pressure regulator and the pressure should jump to approximately 39 psi.

2. Throttle position sensor. Very common fail, especially on the RENIX. Test it and be sure yours is adjusted properly. More on that below. And yes, clean your throttle body!

3. Run a compression test as earlier mentioned. The spec for the 4.0 is 120-150 psi, with no more than a 30 psi variation between cylinders. Don't overlook the internal condition of an older engine!

4. Here is a link to testing many things on the 87-90. Bookmark it and utilize it to test sensors, etc.

http://www.lunghd.com/Tech_Articles/Engine/Basic_Sensors_Diagnostics.htm
Thanks for all the tips i appreciate it
 
"its spuddering when I'm giving it gas."

In the following order are the usual suspects. TPS, MAP or MAP vacuum line loose, O2 sensor. The wiring, connectors and grounds on these are frequently bad as well. O2 sensor has a relay that powers its heater, so get an FSM, and a volt/ohm multi meter and start testing grounds, voltages, and check those vacuum lines, especially the MAP sensor to throttle body vacuum line.
 
Dont forget to also do a compression leak down test to ensure that the valve train is working properly. Worn valves and valve springs can also cause your engine to sputter and run crappy.
 
Good advice offered. Since you replaced the injectors, check each injector wire to make sure the correct color-coded wire connector is on the correct injector. If the injectors are mis-connected, the injectors will fire out of sequence and the engine will run rough. Ask me how I know that. The injectors fire in a specific sequence and they must be connected properly.

Also check the aluminum intake manifold for cracks that have been covered-up/repaired with aluminum epoxy. The previous owner of my 88XJ had epoxied a crack on my intake manifold and after warm-up, the crack opened-up more and I got weird performance.

Best regards,

CJR
 
I have an 88 MJ with the same issues. So far I have cleaned up and replaced battery terminals/cables/grounds and changed the fuel filter with no luck. Also cleaned the thottle body and re calibrated the TPS...still runs like crap under light acceleration but moves pretty good when you put the pedal down.

Please keep the thread updated so I can see what finally worked for you.
 
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