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TORX
June 8th, 2011, 14:33
Mother nature is a b*tch!

Taken from NW-Wheelers:
Official Word from the Naches OHV Ranger ( I know him very well)


Clover Way Road/FS1601 is closed

Glass Creek Road/FS 1605 is closed

Bald Mountain Road/FS1701 is open

Rock Creek Road/FS 1702 is closed

Gold Creek Road/FS 1703 is closed

Spring Creek is open

Milk Creek Road/FS 1708 is closed (This the main way to get to the rocks)

Little Naches Road/FS 19 is open although it should have a one lane restriction installed before you get to Kaner Flats campground.

These closed roads can be expected not to open this year. There is a signed order and they are barricaded.

Bald Mountain is still snowed in expect downed trees and storm damage that we have not seen as of yet due to the fact we have been unable to access much of the trail system. Should still be 3 feet of snow at Lilly Pond. The entire ridge still has lots of snow. The report is that there is 200% snow depth for this time of year.

Stay safe and Tread Lightly. The closure that is lifted June 15th was put in place because of trail damage resulting from wet trails. The trails are wetter this year than last.

Also Chinook Pass is not expected to open untill the end of June.

Coming in from the Eberg side is tough due to closures of the access roads over there.Just got off the phone with the Naches Ranger District. The seasonal closure is still scheduled to lift June 16th. However, if they continue to experience flooding from run off that could change (cross your fingers).

It sounds like there's some serious snow pack still on the trails. I'm going to be looking at the maps tonight. We're going to likely need to change some of the routes.

If anyone hears any updates on road or trail closure please post up!

NW-ZJ-SCOTT
June 8th, 2011, 20:20
That sucks.. thats alot of closure, if they dont open it up on the 16th, we need to discuss PLAN B

TSF, Elbe, Evans? Yacult burn? (i'll bring the junk car!)

josefxj97
June 9th, 2011, 08:26
mother nature has not been kind this year. lets get talking about this and figure out where (if not Naches) everyone wants to go. if we have close to the same number of people as we did last year, Evans Creek would probably be too small. i dont know enough about TSF or Elbe....whats everyone else thinking?

Sideshow
June 9th, 2011, 08:58
Moab

Seriously though wherever you choose please make sure it's accessable by a diesel pusher. I don't know Naches well enough to to determine if there are enough open trails to keep us occupied. Are there enough open trails?

2xtreme
June 9th, 2011, 08:59
I have been concerned/expecting this for a little while.

This has a significant effect on several of the access roads we commonly use and it also likely means that some of the other "more difficult" trails will likely be "MUCH more difficult".

In my preliminary opinion we have 3 basic choices:
1. Stick with the place and modify a few trails to the best of our ability before the event.

2. Stick with the place and see if we can spend some of our time rebuilding some of these trails (we would have to talk to the rangers and see if this was possible).

3. I would think TSF would be our best "other" option to try a different location. But we could vote on a different venue if we believe it is a better choice.

Just my preliminary thoughts.

Michael

kndrewa
June 9th, 2011, 09:05
thanks for the update.

Sideshow
June 9th, 2011, 10:30
I have been concerned/expecting this for a little while.

This has a significant effect on several of the access roads we commonly use and it also likely means that some of the other "more difficult" trails will likely be "MUCH more difficult".

In my preliminary opinion we have 3 basic choices:
1. Stick with the place and modify a few trails to the best of our ability before the event.

2. Stick with the place and see if we can spend some of our time rebuilding some of these trails (we would have to talk to the rangers and see if this was possible).

3. I would think TSF would be our best "other" option to try a different location. But we could vote on a different venue if we believe it is a better choice.

Just my preliminary thoughts.

Michael

Thanks for a good start to the discussion.

I think #2-3 are fabulous ideas with the present information. I have always wanted to check out TSF and upon looking at the trail list there are quite a lot of challenging trails. Before captain obvious shows up, this is coming from a guy who has never been to TSF.

The largest factor if this decision was up to me is that I have had my fill of snow this year. I would rather fix the trails or go somewhere else less snowy.

This is also a larger financial impact to us North-enders. I understand the oregon guys drive to Wa every year (I appreciate this) but a change of venue might be difficult for some to budget for since it is last minute. A positive for TSF is the oregon guys wont get as many tickets this year party1:.

98CherokeeSport
June 9th, 2011, 10:31
I would say that evans creek is too small for any large group. The campground is small and there isn't a huge amount of trails like naches.
Elbe has an even smaller campground than evans creek and even less trails.

I know this is a wheeling event but it is also a social gathering for the members. We should find a lace with a big enough campground to get everyone together then worry about trails. Tillamook seems big enough. Naches may also still be an option because of its campground and the amount of trails that can still be ran. Having chinook pass closed sucks though for us towing our rigs

Avanteone
June 9th, 2011, 10:39
FWIW, the Evans Creek campground is currently still buried in snow.

98CherokeeSport
June 9th, 2011, 10:40
I agree with enough snow. I ran tsf in the snow and didn't get to do much so I would be more than willing to head down there again with no snow

TORX
June 9th, 2011, 10:51
We're sticking to the plan of Naches, unless the closure gets extended.

At this point TSF would be a no go. Our event size would swamp Browns Camp Campground, which would mean permit. If you guys want to check out TSF, I'd recommend planning a trip down over the summer.

Like Branden said, it's not all abut the wheeling. It's abut bringing the chapter together. I think either way it's still going to be fun. We'll need to modify the routes a bit, but it'll work out....


I hope.

XJOFFROAD
June 9th, 2011, 11:30
We're sticking to the plan of Naches, unless the closure gets extended.

At this point TSF would be a no go. Our event size would swamp Browns Camp Campground, which would mean permit. If you guys want to check out TSF, I'd recommend planning a trip down over the summer.

Like Branden said, it's not all abut the wheeling. It's abut bringing the chapter together. I think either way it's still going to be fun. We'll need to modify the routes a bit, but it'll work out....


I hope.

dont you need a permit at naches also? thought the PNWJEEP crew ran into this last year. could be wrong.

TORX
June 9th, 2011, 11:55
dont you need a permit at naches also? thought the PNWJEEP crew ran into this last year. could be wrong.
We're good to go. I've spoke with the Ranger District a few times now.

Our attendance is well under permit territory. Thanks for the concern though, Kalin.

XJOFFROAD
June 9th, 2011, 12:41
We're good to go. I've spoke with the Ranger District a few times now.

Our attendance is well under permit territory. Thanks for the concern though, Kalin.

Gotcha

josefxj97
June 9th, 2011, 13:58
I have been concerned/expecting this for a little while.

This has a significant effect on several of the access roads we commonly use and it also likely means that some of the other "more difficult" trails will likely be "MUCH more difficult".

In my preliminary opinion we have 3 basic choices:
1. Stick with the place and modify a few trails to the best of our ability before the event.

2. Stick with the place and see if we can spend some of our time rebuilding some of these trails (we would have to talk to the rangers and see if this was possible).

3. I would think TSF would be our best "other" option to try a different location. But we could vote on a different venue if we believe it is a better choice.

Just my preliminary thoughts.

Michael

Agreed. Very good thoughts, to see if we could spend our time and "give back" a little by rebuilding some of the problem areas (if accessible) is a great idea. Fun will be had by all that attend even if some of the trails are still closed.
I like the idea of TSF, I have always wanted to check it out. Finding a campground big enough to support a large group is important.

redrider2911
June 9th, 2011, 14:04
If too much of the percentage of the trails are closed at Naches and we find ourselfs running alot of the lower trails over and over we could always consider a trip to rimrock one of the days. Its a 1 hour drive from little naches. Just a thought. I just hate running the same trails over and over.

NW-ZJ-SCOTT
June 9th, 2011, 15:21
If too much of the percentage of the trails are closed at Naches and we find ourselfs running alot of the lower trails over and over we could always consider a trip to rimrock one of the days. Its a 1 hour drive from little naches. Just a thought. I just hate running the same trails over and over.
OUT! your jeep that got hit by a semi, STILL looked better then the jeep you took to rimrock!:anon:

redrider2911
June 9th, 2011, 15:37
Lol. Thats funny but the blue jeep ended up like that from Elbe and the busy wild. Not rimrock. I don't know why everyone thinks rimrock is so bad.

NW-ZJ-SCOTT
June 9th, 2011, 15:39
Lol. Thats funny but the blue jeep ended up like that from Elbe and the busy wild. Not rimrock. I don't know why everyone thinks rimrock is so bad.
:dunno::shhh:

Muddy Beast
June 9th, 2011, 21:42
Oh boy...

I'd really hate to make the trip to Naches to find I can't even wheel that much. So long as I can get to the rocks and they aren't covered in snow I'll be happy. This may be a chapter gathering to socialize, but I don't have a ton of money/time to make trips that don't involve some much needed wheeling too.

Fingers crossed.

NW-ZJ-SCOTT
June 9th, 2011, 22:02
Oh boy...

I'd really hate to make the trip to Naches to find I can't even wheel that much. So long as I can get to the rocks and they aren't covered in snow I'll be happy. This may be a chapter gathering to socialize, but I don't have a ton of money/time to make trips that don't involve flopping

Fingers crossed.
:firedevil

XJourney
June 10th, 2011, 00:09
I say stay the course. If there is a bunch of snow then everyone will have a chance to run on the Epic run, because they will all be epic

98CherokeeSport
June 10th, 2011, 08:40
I don't know why everyone thinks rimrock is so bad.

you've obviously never run the upper trails. a cherokee wont make it through them

redrider2911
June 10th, 2011, 09:02
you've obviously never run the upper trails. a cherokee wont make it through them

All I do is run upper trails... and a xj will fit through them if your not running full widths. We usually start on the southeast tampico side coming from yakima and actually drop down over into rimrock coming from divide ridge and running blueslide or short 'n dirty and leaning tree. From the rimrock side we sometimes run loui way gap them loop all the way around divide ridge and head back down depending on how long of a trip we want.

Have you run rimrock trails?

2xtreme
June 10th, 2011, 10:25
Oh boy...

I'd really hate to make the trip to Naches to find I can't even wheel that much. So long as I can get to the rocks and they aren't covered in snow I'll be happy. This may be a chapter gathering to socialize, but I don't have a ton of money/time to make trips that don't involve some much needed wheeling too.

Fingers crossed.

Not to worry.
There is lots of homework, research, and conversations going on with the rangers in the area to understand to the best of our ability what the real conditions are and what we can expect so that we can all go prepared.

I think that we will find that although many of the trail runs that have been planed may be modified or shortened, there will still be plenty of wheeling and oportunities to use your Jeep.

I do hope that the rocks themselves are not covered in snow (I would find that unlikely considering the recent weather and them having no protection). That does make them significantly more challenging to say the least!

It should still be a great time and well worth the trip to wheel.

Michael

MasterPull
June 10th, 2011, 10:35
you've obviously never run the upper trails. a cherokee wont make it through them

It all depends what you want it to look like when it comes out the other side.:laugh:

-Alex

TORX
June 10th, 2011, 12:44
We're staying on course! I don't think it would be fair to change locations this late in the game. I know a lot of people had been planning/budgeting for Naches, including myself.

Rangers I talked with today said the snow is melting pretty quick, which is a good thing. However, too much melt off and we get more flooding and wash outs. Lots of downed trees, but crews are working to get them cleared. I'll be curious to hear the trail reports next weekend, after the closure is lifted. That should give us a good idea of what to expect. We're still about two weeks out, so a lot can change.

Either way though, there will be some epic wheeling, and fun times to be had by all.

catchmytalon
June 10th, 2011, 14:00
well i dont know who all has ever wheeled at rimrock but honestly its not that tight we have a friend that runs at 83 inches and runs the upper trails its just technical but if your looking for ever push the limits of your rig and want to know what it can rimrock is a good place and ps there is a rock garden there now and a camp ground big enough for this event. just food for thought for the future or something

R.DesJardin
June 11th, 2011, 11:45
We're staying on course! I don't think it would be fair to change locations this late in the game. I know a lot of people had been planning/budgeting for Naches, including myself.

Rangers I talked with today said the snow is melting pretty quick, which is a good thing. However, too much melt off and we get more flooding and wash outs. Lots of downed trees, but crews are working to get them cleared. I'll be curious to hear the trail reports next weekend, after the closure is lifted. That should give us a good idea of what to expect. We're still about two weeks out, so a lot can change.

Either way though, there will be some epic wheeling, and fun times to be had by all.
Great news, I carry a chainsaw always, just in case. As long as we are wheelin' I'm having fun.

98CherokeeSport
June 11th, 2011, 15:40
All I do is run upper trails... and a xj will fit through them if your not running full widths. We usually start on the southeast tampico side coming from yakima and actually drop down over into rimrock coming from divide ridge and running blueslide or short 'n dirty and leaning tree. From the rimrock side we sometimes run loui way gap them loop all the way around divide ridge and head back down depending on how long of a trip we want.

Have you run rimrock trails?

ya I've ran them countless times but never in a rig as wide as a xj. The cjs we take through are a tigh squeeze in spots

It all depends what you want it to look like when it comes out the other side.:laugh:

-Alex

Agred

Big Mike
June 11th, 2011, 19:32
Natches sounds like the call, I will just add my chainsaw to my gear also. 4 Wheelin and cuttin shit up, sounds like a party to me. Yee Ha

TORX
June 15th, 2011, 15:16
According to the Naches Ranger District, "ORV trail are now open!"

Roads and trails effected by flooding or other seasonal closures are still closed.

Big Mike
June 15th, 2011, 15:51
Woo Hoo :guitar::roflmao:

josefxj97
June 15th, 2011, 16:06
According to the Naches Ranger District, "ORV trail are now open!"

Roads and trails effected by flooding or other seasonal closures are still closed.

Do we know what trails are open/closed for sure?

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TORX
June 15th, 2011, 21:16
Do we know what trails are open/closed for sure?All the Manastash trails are open, aside from the usual Naches Wagon Trail. That opens up around the third week in July each year.

Our problem is road closures, and the trails that start on those roads or end on them.

redrider2911
June 18th, 2011, 18:42
Just got back from naches. Took north wenas through cascade park then up 695 to moon rocks. The rocks still have snow in the valleys and most of the major runs. The funny rocks were bare except the easy run on the far right. The trails weren't too bad. Snow here and there but nothing that wasn't passable. Challenging but fun. We came out 694 and 1701 so we really didn't hit any trails further west.

TORX
June 18th, 2011, 22:01
Thanks for the update Kris. It's great to hear you were able to get to the rocks. From the reports I read, I was counting on having to bust through some drifts to get there. Hopefully the other trails are relatively clear as well.

98CherokeeSport
June 19th, 2011, 15:03
think we will be able to run the kaner from bottom to top? its got some good climbs especially when sloppy

redrider2911
June 19th, 2011, 15:17
Honestly dont know. Like I said we didnt make it out that way. Some guys from insanityfab ran naches pass trail too. We will have to try to do some exploring thursday and maybe even wednesday.

josefxj97
June 19th, 2011, 19:53
I thought the Naches Pass trail (wagon trail) wasn't open till sometime in July, just like every year for about the past decade?

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98CherokeeSport
June 19th, 2011, 20:32
I thought the Naches Pass trail (wagon trail) wasn't open till sometime in July, just like every year for about the past decade?

you are correct

ECKSJAY
June 19th, 2011, 20:48
I thought the Naches Pass trail (wagon trail) wasn't open till sometime in July, just like every year for about the past decade?

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It depends on which direction you're coming from. ;)

redrider2911
June 19th, 2011, 21:53
Naches Pass (684) opened June 16th. Naches Trail (1175) is closed through July 15th every year. Sorry. Guess I shouldnt have added "trail" at the end.

josefxj97
June 19th, 2011, 23:07
Thanks for the clarification. :thumbup:

jonesinxj
June 21st, 2011, 07:42
nice report for the rocks

http://www.easternwashingtonoffroad.com/showthread.php/9686-Wenas-Naches-Father-s-Day-4-Wheeling-Run-June-18-2011

redrider2911
June 21st, 2011, 10:21
That is a good report. We passed them on our way back out 694 heading home. I wish I would have taken pictures of at least moon rocks for you guys. We'll all be there soon enough. :)

kfinney
June 21st, 2011, 17:57
That is a good report. We passed them on our way back out 694 heading home. I wish I would have taken pictures of at least moon rocks for you guys. We'll all be there soon enough. :)

So, how long did it take you going in Wenas to the rocks?.....looks like we'll probably have to hit Wenas from our side to head in there so I was hoping to get a time estimate.

redrider2911
June 21st, 2011, 20:21
Not to long. It was just me and my dad. He kept up with me suprisingly well, I think he was excited to get to the rocks. I was like under 2 hours I believe. With Brian driving you guys should be able to make 1 and a half hours easy.

kfinney
June 21st, 2011, 21:31
Thanks, hopefully we'll see you up there :)

BPB
June 21st, 2011, 23:53
Are wa 123 and 410 open? probably overlooked it somewhere on here?

Dawg Cherokee
June 22nd, 2011, 00:03
Are wa 123 and 410 open? probably overlooked it somewhere on here?

410 is scheduled to open at 10am Thursday morning. 123 is already open. There is a thread with links and more info here on the NW Fest page.

dellstopjeep
June 22nd, 2011, 06:08
Are wa 123 and 410 open? probably overlooked it somewhere on here?

ya dumb ass why dont you read!

NW-ZJ-SCOTT
June 22nd, 2011, 09:00
ya dumb ass why dont you read!

you probably melted part of his monitor while being a pyro at his house:dunce: