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Bad death wobble!

mxkiller125

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I just installed a 6.5 inch lift and had the wheels aligned and as soon as I left I had bad death wobble. I don't have an adjustable track bar but I did install a drop bracket. Maybe I just need my wheels balanced? What could be causing this? It's my DD so I need it fixed ASAP.
 
Get an adjustable trackbar. That would be fairly important at 6.5" of lift. Make sure the shop knew what they were doing and that they set your caster properly (if you have adjustable arms and/or enough adjustment left in the factory shims in the lower control arm mount) as well as toe and centering the axle.
 
I still can't figure it out. Everything seems to be tight. I'm thinking about getting a drop pitman arm. I heard if you drop the track bar you have to drop the pitman to keep them parallel. They seem to be pretty close parallel tho. Could that little bit cause DW? I need to narrow it down as much as possible cuz I only have $100 to spend and I want to buy the part with the most chance of fixing it. I can't decide between drop pitman arm, adj track bar, or even steering stabilizer?
 
I still can't figure it out. Everything seems to be tight. I'm thinking about getting a drop pitman arm. I heard if you drop the track bar you have to drop the pitman to keep them parallel. They seem to be pretty close parallel tho. Could that little bit cause DW? I need to narrow it down as much as possible cuz I only have $100 to spend and I want to buy the part with the most chance of fixing it. I can't decide between drop pitman arm, adj track bar, or even steering stabilizer?

Drop pittman wont help, did you check it like I said and had the vehicle on the ground while you checked it?
 
Caster, check the caster!!! Take it back to the shop and make them check your caster angle.

I had the tires aligned twice at pep boys. I'm thinking of taking it to rhino lining and see if they can tell me what the issue is but I'm afraid they are going to tell me it's going to cost a lot.
 
caster angle! i have mine set at 7 degrees and i have zero death wobble. i had horrible death wobble. before and i got the correct caster setting and no more death wobble!
 
....I had the tires aligned twice at pep boys......

PepBoys :eek:

Aligned to stock specifications or aligned for a lifted Jeep ?

Buy an Adjustable Track Bar.


The first steps to eliminate death wobble should be a visual inspection of each component, check the bushings, tire balance and an alignment. These are some common things you must check anytime you lift your Jeep. Death wobble is experienced mostly on lifter Jeeps, however it is not uncommon for someone without a lift to experience the dreaded DW. Listed below are a few things you can check.

Check your Track Bar, play in this can cause the axle to shake.
1. Bushings - check to see that they are not worn. Looks for cracks, and excessive play)
2. Angles - this angle should be the same as your draglink. Use an angle finders you can get at sears to determine this, don’t just eye-ball it.
3. Bolts – Make sure all bolts are tightened down to spec (some lift components have a different torque spec then)

Check the Axle, your mounts may be worn
1. Check the axle mount. Here is a good write up on a wallowed out bolt hole
http://www.jeepin.com/features/trackbarfix/index.asp
2. Check your Universal joints, a binding or lose U-Joint can cause DW
3. On the frame end if you still use the conventional Tie Rod End or (TRE) make sure that there is no play in this, as play can cause DW.
4. Look/Check for worn/torn boots on ball joints/tie-rod ends.

Check your Tires
1. Out of balance tires can cause shaking in the front end, which can lead to death wobble.
2. Make sure all of your lug nuts are tight, (Sounds elementary but it happens to the best of us)

Check your Frame
1. Small cracks in the frame can cause the steering box to feel loose, Shaking from DW can only make this worse. 33’s and larger should have some form of Steering box brace, or frame brace in.
2. If you have upgraded your frame mount, make sure its cranked down nice and tight. (best to use an impact gun)
3. A busted Frame Mount can cause play in the front end causing DW (Keep a watchful eye on the welds as welds in sheer can break over time.

Make sure you have a good alignment
1. After you get an alignment done, have them print out the numbers for you. An XJ should have a 7* positive caster angle. A lifted XJ can’t always have that high of a number because the pinion would become out of alignment with the front driveshaft. Pinion angle takes precedence over caster.
2. Make you sure you go to a place that will adjust the caster if necessary (either by shims in the frame side of the LCAs, or adjustable LCAs).

The more adjustable parts the easier it is to tune in your suspension.
1. Adjustable Track Bar
2. Adjustable Upper and Lower Control Arms (upper ones above 4” of lift). Not only are they adjustable, but they are stronger.


Things to remember:
1. After any lift, get your Jeep professionally aligned, this is a REQUIREMENT, not a suggestion.
2. A Steering Stabilizer (SS) is not a quick fix for DW.
3. Make sure that the lift you purchase comes with all the required parts for a safe driving vehicle. (as long as its going to be a DD)
4. PLEASE ALWAYS DRIVE WITH YOUR FRONT SWAY BAR CONNECTED!

Entire list of everything that can cause death wobble:

-Front tires out of balance
-Front alignment out of spec
-Loose track bar
-Worn track bar bushings
-Worn track bar end
-Needing an adjustable track bar
-Bad bushings/joints in control arms
-Worn/damaged steering stabilizer
-Worn/damaged shocks
-Worn/damaged tie rod end
-Bad U Joint
-Bad ball joint
-Loose frame mount
-Steering box looseness
-Need drop pitman arm
-Driveshaft(s) not balanced
-Bad front hub assembly


Torque specs:

Item ........................................ Ft. lbs. ................... Nm

Lug nuts (1/2 X 20 w/ 60* cone) .... 85-115 .............. 115-150
All tie rod ends .....................…..... 55 ...................….. 74
Steering (both ends) ..............…..... 55 ................….... 74
Shock absorber upper nut .............. 16 ................….... 22
Shock absorber lower nuts ............. 17 ................….... 23
UCA frame end .....................…...... 66 ..............…..... 89
UCA axle end .........................….... 55 ................….... 74
LCA frame end ......................…..... 85 ...................... 115
LCA axle end .........................….... 85 ...................... 115
Track bar frame end ..............…..... 60 .................…... 81
Track bar axle end .................….... 40 ..................…... 54
Track bar bracket bolts ..........…..... 92 ...................... 125
Track bar bracket nut .............….... 74 ....................... 100
Track bar bracket support bolts ...... 31 ....................... 42
Hub bolts (3) ............................…. 75 ....................... 102
Hub- axle bolt ..........................….. 175 ..................... 237



Information provided by Jeeps Unlimited
 
There is no way you can be running a stock track bar. I installed the RE 3.5 and bolted up the stock track bar and it pulled my axle a good 2 inches towards the drivers side. Iron Rock Offroad double sheer adjustable track bar is a must.
 
6.5" of lift and no DB's,thats part of the problem too.
 
when I had the d.w. I removed my steering stabilizer until I had the d.w. Cured as it masks problems and then put it back on and it did improve my drive quality. But don't spend your last $100 on a steering stab..

my main source or the wobble was out of round tire.. And upper control arm bushings were shot..
in. The end to get the tight ride I wanted I replaced u.c.a. Bushings l.c.a.'s were new replaced ball joints. Replaced all joints in steering one quationable hub. Sway bar bushings..

so every bushing and joint in front and a new hub. And even then I get a weird shift of weight or clunk under hard braking so motor and trans mounts are next on my list.. But I am picky and daily drive mine..

I know that's not what ya wanna hear but. It is a j.e.e.p. But with mine being at 230,000 I didn't feel like those joints and bushings owed me anything.
 
I'm going to take it to a different pep boys since I already paid and they will do it again, hopefully they can get the caster right cuz it's off. If not I'm going to try a different place
 
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