roll cage

skull_black · Apr 23, 2010

hey so im ready for a roll cage checkin to see if any of you know how to weld one up and how much you would charge
also what kind of metal should i use

silverslk · Apr 23, 2010

Just start with the T&J cage and add to it. Probably best bet,

If it were mine, I'd opt for the upgrade to DOM over HREW.

-96JeepSpeed- · Apr 23, 2010

HEWR sucks for stuff like that, i made the horrible choice of making outter rock rail tubes out of some scrap HERW tubing i had, Lasted 1 trip.

skull_black · Apr 23, 2010

i actually dont want to buy a kit or anything ive got a design for it and need a guy to make the whole thing

silverslk · Apr 23, 2010

ok. well custom = big bucks typically.

Hit up Pirate Lab in Corona. They have great rates and can handle it.

xcm · Apr 23, 2010

buy a bender, and bend it yourself. if you have to, outsource the finish welding.

GrimmJeeper · Apr 23, 2010

silverslk said:
ok. well custom = big bucks typically.

what he said. The T&J kit is going to run you what you're likely to pay just for metal having something custom made for you. but like Andy said, Pirate does good work, his and Tony's bumpers look great and those guys have a rep for quality.

justin_502 · Apr 23, 2010

-96JeepSpeed- said:
HEWR sucks for stuff like that, i made the horrible choice of making outter rock rail tubes out of some scrap HERW tubing i had, Lasted 1 trip.

Lol for rockrails yes HREW would suck, but for a roll over (not high speed) HREW would work fine in the jeep. DOM is better but cost lot more.

cracker · Apr 23, 2010

justin_502 said:
Lol for rockrails yes HREW would suck, but for a roll over (not high speed) HREW would work fine in the jeep. DOM is better but cost lot more.

X2

DOM = about same structural strength as HREW.

HREW just doesn't have the same surface strength and that is why 96JeepSpeed is complaining about his rock rails.

Typically, it is common for any 'exposed' tube to be DOM and all the interior tubes are (thinner) HREW in a lot of buggies.

FWIW Goatman's old rig (Cal's now) is all HREW and it has survived multiple rolls and land on it's roof and seems to hold up fine.

HREW for an internal cage is A-OK.

souske · Apr 23, 2010

care to expound on the properties of CREW?

cracker · Apr 23, 2010

HREW and CREW are similar in their properties.

skull_black · Apr 23, 2010

well i wanted to do dom or chromolly which one would be better for a full internal cage

cracker · Apr 23, 2010

skull_black said:
well i wanted to do dom or chromolly which one would be better for a full internal cage

Better?

Chromo is better if it is done properly (proper heat treat and tig welded).

Leep · Apr 23, 2010

This is what I have and it is very structural for a modular cage. They now have dealers and 4west in colton has them. Used to only get them from the factory.

Very reasonably priced too

http://www.rockhard4x4parts.com/xj-84.html

Good luck.
Leep

boostamante · Apr 23, 2010

Leep said:
This is what I have and it is very structural for a modular cage. They now have dealers and 4west in colton has them. Used to only get them from the factory.

Very reasonably priced too

http://www.rockhard4x4parts.com/xj-84.html

Good luck.
Leep

I plan on getting this kit when funds permit.

silverslk · Apr 24, 2010

justin_502 said:
Lol for rockrails yes HREW would suck, but for a roll over (not high speed) HREW would work fine in the jeep. DOM is better but cost lot more.

So, you never drive on the freeway? I love it when people say something is good for a slow speed roll yet they drive to and from the trail........

cracker said:
X2

DOM = about same structural strength as HREW.

FWIW Goatman's old rig (Cal's now) is all HREW and it has survived multiple rolls and land on it's roof and seems to hold up fine.

HREW for an internal cage is A-OK.

HREW is OK but DOM is better. I wouldn't do Chromo unless I had funds to maintain it. Race cars use Chromo but they are highly maintained.

Ben_Dyer · Apr 24, 2010

not to highjack but do you need to have any sort of bracket attached to the body on the inside (other than the floor)? my cage moves vibrates like crazy going down the highway and was unsure if this was normal?

crazyjim · Apr 24, 2010

*sigh* I'm not sure how many times I have to say this... The T&J cage is CREW, not HREW. HUUUUUUUGE diff.

justin_502 · Apr 24, 2010

silverslk said:
So, you never drive on the freeway? I love it when people say something is good for a slow speed roll yet they drive to and from the trail........

HREW is OK but DOM is better. I wouldn't do Chromo unless I had funds to maintain it. Race cars use Chromo but they are highly maintained.

Do you drive your jeep on the freeway with no cage right now? its not going to make it any worse, its more in the design of the cage and triangulation you use then the lil difference between DOM vs HREW

If you are going to be racing jeepspeed or build a nascar chromo is fine, inside the jeep DOM or Chromo is lot of extra money spent that you dont really need. The jeep it self holds up not too bad, a HREW cage would be fine.

souske · Apr 24, 2010

cracker said:
HREW and CREW are similar in their properties.

crazyjim said:
*sigh* I'm not sure how many times I have to say this... The T&J cage is CREW, not HREW. HUUUUUUUGE diff.

So which is it? The same or different? Obviously hot vs. cold rolled. What about strength.

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