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Ham radios??? Yeah, i need some info.

boostamante

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So the more i think about it the more it makes sense to have one in case of an emergency. So im looking into buying one and also need info on where to study up for the exam.

I read about the "no code" license and wonder is thats what i need to be looking to study for. Also, do i need a Dual Band or a single band. I know the Dual bands cost more so im guessing the Single might be a better choice.

I found this link for the handhelds. Let me know if you guys have a preferrance.
https://www.hamcity.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=27

Julio
 
if you get caught using a ham radio (out of band) modified they can take your ham license and fine you up to $10000 just food for thought!
 
if you get caught using a ham radio (out of band) modified they can take your ham license and fine you up to $10000 just food for thought!

Thanks for the feedback. Something to think about. Not trying to do anything that gets frowned uppon.

What modifications are done to the radios and what makes them illegal to do so?
 
Radios are "type certified" by the mfg. Most ham rigs will transmit out of band, but usually require modification to do so. If you modify it to transmit out of band and you splatter all over the place and cause interference, and you continually do it, whoever you're interfering with can file an FCC complaint, then the FCC can and will track down the interference. If they find the offending transmitter and it's not type certified for how you're using it they can fine you up to $10,000. The guys that get that fine and see jail time are usually intentionally interfering with valid communications. Keep that in mind, as long as your signal is the right deviation, and not causing interference, then no one is going to come banging on your door.

With that said, just get your ham radio license. There are books available at ham radio outlet, or if you want, go here and continually take the "Technician Exam"

http://www.qrz.com/p/testing.pl

I'm a fan of Yaesu radios, they have some around the $120 mark at HRO that will work great for you. The FT2800M is being discontinued, and is a good deal right now. The FT1900 would be my choice for a new 2m rig, it's SMALL and outputs around 60-65 watts. You can pick up a magmount single band antenna from "The antenna Farm" for about 30-40 bucks.

Look in your area for the test, usually in socal you can take it on any Saturday at someplace around town.
 
So the more i think about it the more it makes sense to have one in case of an emergency. So im looking into buying one and also need info on where to study up for the exam.

I read about the "no code" license and wonder is thats what i need to be looking to study for. Also, do i need a Dual Band or a single band. I know the Dual bands cost more so im guessing the Single might be a better choice.
I found this link for the handhelds. Let me know if you guys have a preferrance.
https://www.hamcity.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=27
Julio

You want a Technicians license. The test has 50 questions, pulled from a published list of 200. You can find the questions online or you buy a book with all the questions and answers. Your local radio shop should sell the study books.
http://www.kb6nu.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/2006techstudyguide.pdf
http://www.amazon.com/ARRL-Ham-Radio-License-Manual/dp/0872599639

I use a 2-meter/70 cm Kenwood TM-V71A
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lwade/sets/72157622095993436/
A simple 2-meter radio should work fine for you. If you want access to more repeaters, get a dual-band radio.
Most ham band radios allow monitoring of frequencies outside the ham bands. The desert race frequencies are next to the 2-meter and 70cm amateur bands. If you wish, most ham band radios can be easily modified to broadcast outside the ham bands but be aware, it is illegal unless you hold a license to transmit in the newly available frequencies.

I prefer using a dash mounted radio, rather than hands held due to the much greater transmit power and the better performance of a roof-mounted antenna. They usually have better audio than the hand-helds and you do not need to worry as much about battery life.

Hand-helds work fine in strong signal areas, when you are near a repeater but for more distant work the dash-mounts superior transmit power combined with a high-efficiency roof antenna work better.
For Jeep-to-Jeep communication, a hand mike is easier to use than a hand-held.
That said, I have a twenty-year-old Alinco 2-meter hand-held that still works fine. I use it with a plug-in lapel mike/speaker.
For vehicle work, an external roof antenna can be attached to the hand-held better performance.
 
I bought a Yaesu VX2R pretty cheap which is handy when you are walking around. Id suggest getting a mobile mounted rig. Keep your eyes peeled when HRO has sales. They were selling the FT series really cheap which can be modded for race freq's. My current rig is an FT2200 i bought used for about $75
 
For jeeping, get a "mobile" which is a mounted one. That's what we were using for KOH. You know how well comms worked there. :)
 
For jeeping, get a "mobile" which is a mounted one. That's what we were using for KOH. You know how well comms worked there. :)

Yeah, i was along for the ride to pick up the repeater :p

I bought a Yaesu VX2R pretty cheap which is handy when you are walking around. Id suggest getting a mobile mounted rig. Keep your eyes peeled when HRO has sales. They were selling the FT series really cheap which can be modded for race freq's. My current rig is an FT2200 i bought used for about $75

Que es HRO?

I sent you a PM that will help you with your needs...

Yeah, i need to ge on that. Havent had time to register and look ur buddy up.
 
I will be taking my technician test this saturday.

Pulled this from another site.


Link http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24082

Please feel free to distribute this information to whoever you like! Credit me or not, doesn't really matter to me. I just want the information out there.

This is intended for US amateurs, I apologize for not including info for people in other countries. I'm simply ignorant of the rules there.

I've tried to break this down into sections in FAQ form to help people just get the info they want.

What is ham radio?
Amateur radio, often called ham radio, is both a hobby and a service in which participants, called "hams," use various types of radio communications equipment to communicate with other radio amateurs for public service, recreation and self-training. Due to the extreme long range available to ham radio operators (30+ miles simplex with a basic license) the FCC requires a license in order to use this equipment. The following wikipedia article is a good read on not only US based amateur radio, but worldwide history and information.
WIKIPEDIA LINK

Why should I care about ham radio?
  1. DISTANCE! With modest mobile (in car) gear and a technicians license you can talk over 30 miles with your own power, radio to radio. If you use a repeater (stationary devices all over the us that extend your range) your range can include hundreds of miles.
  2. CLARITY! Another nice attribute of ham radio is that it uses FM (CB uses AM just for reference). FM and AM are just like what you remember from listening to your cars radio. You could definitely hear the radio station on AM, but FM was remarkably clearer. Same thing here with ham radio.
  3. HARDWARE! If you're a gadget geek or just looking for something simple, ham radio offers it all. This is technology that is still advancing all the time. There are tons of options for some of the best electronic communications gear available.
  4. EMERGENCY! Need to make a phone call but your cell phone doesn't work? Ham has you covered. Need to talk to someone in Arizona from your trip in Mexico? Ham still has you covered. Want to send out your exact GPS coordinates all the time so others can find you easily if necessary? Ham has you covered again! The original intent of the US amateur service was to prepare the general public for emergency communications. Ham licenses were BUILT for it! ***All of these features will be a function of what frequencies you are using and what is available in your area, they are examples only meant to indicate the vast number of emergency features available to ham operators***

Test? OMG! How hard is it?
No reason to get your underwear in a bunch, the basic test is very easy. I know that many of you probably associate math or signals geeks with ham radio and think that the tests are a lot harder than they actually are. The good news is that CW, or morse code, is no longer required for ANY test. If you have no idea what I'm talking about don't worry about it, all tests are simple multiple choice written tests. The three current available licenses in the US and they must be taken sequentially.
  • Technician class - This will get you the basic privileges 99.9% of you are most likely to use on a regular basis while traveling in your FJ. There are lots of options with this "basic" class and it will give you what you need to talk well over 30 miles in many areas. It's not the ultimate emergency tool like the general license is, but in many places will allow you to communicate very long distances to call for help (or your buddies) if necessary. The test is VERY easy and over half of it is common sense stuff about safety. Most people will pass with ease even if they bomb every single math question on the test. With that said, if you can divide and multiply, then you'll ace the math stuff as well. Don't take my word for it, take some practice exams and see for yourself.
  • General class - This is where you really step up your distance of communication. General class is all about HF (or high frequency) privileges. HF has better distance propagation than what you see in the Tech privileges and at higher power in some instances. This is the license you want if you need to talk to someone in Arizona from your Baja 1000 trip under your own power. The ultimate in emergency communications. However that comes at greater complexity and cost of equipment. The test and math requirements are quite a bit higher than the tech exam but you won't be doing calculus on the test. Most of these tests are memorization of frequencies and law. There is a lot more focus on circuit design and understanding of components in this test. While not impossible, it will take a lot more studying for those of you who are not already EEs.
  • Extra class - If you get this far, you are probably really into the hobby side of things and already know what this will do for you. In general, this class will appeal to people who want to gain access to the entire range of frequencies that amateurs in the US enjoy. It won't give you a lot in terms of frequency privilege, but those frequencies you do gain access to can be very helpful with communication with nations outside of the US. *see xtatik's excellent post on the bottom of page 4 for a good description of what this means* You also will receive the benefit of a extra short call sign if that suits your fancy.

How do I get my ham license?

Here is the podcast I talk about all the time. Listen to this and you should be able to pass the technician exam:
http://www.hamradioclass.com/download.html

Here are the practice exams. These are the ACTUAL questions you will see on the test picked randomly from a pool of around 300. Take this enough times and you'll have seen every question possible on the test.
http://www.qrz.com/ham/

Here's where you find a local place in your area to take the test:
http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/examsearch.phtml

For example here's the ones in Arizona:
http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/examsearch.phtml?State=AZ

I took my exam at:
Sponsor: DEVRY ARC&WEST VALLEY ARC
Time: 9:00 AM (Walk-ins allowed)
Contact: DAVID R MORRILL
(623)925-0680
Email: [email protected]
VEC: ARRL/VEC
Location: DEVRY UNIVERSITY
2149 W DUNLAP AVE
PHOENIX, AZ 85021

Cost is $14 to take the test.

What should I look for in a radio?
This is probably the first question most people ask. This will be from the new tech licensees point of view. If you have your general, you already know all of this. There are several decisions you'll need to make about what kind of radio you want. I'll cover some very basics here.

Hand held (HT) or Mobile?
The number one thing you get with a permanent (mobile) radio is power. 10 times the power usually (5w vs 50w+). Hand helds are generally very limited in power. Both can usually be used with external antennas and there are radios available in both that do just about anything you want. However, the power is worth it. If it's your first radio and you're using it in your vehicle, get a mobile unit. 50w makes a huge difference in your distance. You will limit your range if you decide to go with a hand held for your first radio, but will gain some mobility outside of the vehicle if that's important to you.

Dual receive?
Some radios actually have two radios built in one. This allows you to monitor two stations at once and switch between them at will. This is very useful for monitoring a repeater for very long distance communication, while still talking to your friends on a simplex channel. It's not a must have, but most will find it very useful. Some of these radios will even let you use them as repeaters (cross band repeat), but don't worry too much about that if it doesn't make sense. It's mostly useful to listening to two frequencies at once.

Single, Dual, Triband, or Quad+ radio?
The first thing you'll need to decide is if you want a dual (or even tri) band radio or not. The two most used frequency groups in ham radio are 2m and 70cm (aka 440). There are many excellent and inexpensive 2m only radios. However, you will severely limit your access to repeaters if you choose to get a radio that does not support the 70cm frequency. This doesn't mean there aren't a lot of repeaters on 2m, but 70cm is very popular for repeater use as well. Most of the time while on the trail or traveling with friends we all use 2m simplex (radio to radio communications). If that's all you care about and you're willing to deal with losing access to some 70cm repeaters, just get a 2m single band radio. As for tri-band radios and above, I do not recommend them to most people. 6m and other frequencies available to tech licensees aren't highly used by others at this time and it can make antenna configurations more complex. If you've got the money, go for it! It can't hurt to have too much access to additional options, but it's something most will never use.

PL, CTCSS, "encoding" oh my!
All modern radios will support Privacy "tones". These are tones at a certain frequency that will give you access to repeaters and special equipment listening for communication with that signal. You WANT a radio that supports this. Without it you'll be limited mostly to simplex only. This is only a concern if you are looking at much older radios in the used market. Make sure it has tone capability for use with repeaters! It has other uses as well, but this is the most important one. CTCSS is usually the technology keyword you should look for. DCS is also common in some radios and is the digital equivalent of the tone based CTCSS system. Don't worry if the radio doesn't support DCS, it's not commonly used at this time.

There are lots of other features I could discuss, but this will arm you with some basics that you need to know. Post in this thread if you have questions about other features.

No really, just tell me what radio to buy!
There are lots of options I'm not even familiar with. I used Yaesu and Kenwood, so that's what I know. Here's some options ordered by price for mobiles, each unit includes the features of the previous unless indicated otherwise.
Yaesu FT-2800M - SINGLE band 2m only, mil standard tough, high 65w output (highest power output off all in this list)
Yaesu FT-7800M - Steps up to Dual band 2m/70cm, steps down to 50w on 2m and 40w on 70cm and you loose the "mil standard" (it's still a tough radio)
Yaesu FT-8800M - Steps up to DUAL receive (This is my recommendation and the radio I use)
Kenwood TM-D710A - Built in TNC for APRS, Feature rich king of the dual band/dual receive 2m/70cm radios. I also use this radio and it will appeal to the gadget geek in you.

If you're looking for a real budget buy, watch the used markets or ham radio swap meets. These radios really are tough and tend to last. I wouldn't be scared of buying used.

What's a good antenna mount for the X vehicle?
One of the easiest mounts for most is a lip mount for the back door/hood/whatever. The one I've used is the comet CP-5M. I don't really like the NMO connector, so I usually go for the smaller PL-259 option. Either will work just fine, so don't get hung up on that. If it comes with enough coax to reach your radio, just get the package that comes with coax. This may not work for everyone. Our installation isn't enough to reach all the way to the dash! Do your measurements first before you buy.

http://www.cometantenna.com/products...D=9&childID=14

This mount isn't the most ideal ground plane possible, but I've found it to be very adequate. Simplex tests have repeatedly reached 20-30 miles. However, if you have the room, center roof mount is almost always better.

I've used both diamond and comet mounts. Either brand will serve you well.

What kind of antenna should I get?
This will be dependent on if you need a dual or single band. These antennas are all rated for the frequencies they support. So if you need a 2m, just buy a 2m rated antenna. Likewise for the 2m/70m. Those of you who have dealt with tuning CB will appreciate the fact that 2m/70cm antennas require NO tuning. At least that's what they usually tell you. Any system can be tuned for optimal SWR, but mostly unnecessary here. I recommend getting the tallest antenna you think you can get away with for the areas you plan on traveling to. If you're constantly traveling to places with very low brush you may be tempted to get a rubber ducky antenna. These antennas are not very good. If it's the only option you have, go for it, it's better than nothing. However, a 38" dual band antenna like the comet SBB-5 is good option. It has a coil in the middle that will help the antenna flex a bit and the mount will also fold over if it gets tagged too hard.
http://www.cometantenna.com/products...ID=4&childID=4

I've used comet and diamond radio products. They both make great similar antennas.


I've heard that ham radio requires a lot of special etiquette?
I don't think it's as bad as some people make it out to be but there are some rules you should know.

  • There is absolutely no foul language allowed on ham radio frequencies.
  • You are required by the FCC to state your callsign every 10 minutes and at the end of any conversation. This is very important on repeaters but tends to get more relaxed during simplex communication. However, that is the rule!
  • You may not broadcast music of any kind (unless you're in the international space station)
  • You may not intentionally encrypt or otherwise obfuscate your communication. Normal speech is generally required.

This is a good list of the basics. The rules are easy to follow and it shouldn't impact your ability to have good trail communication. There are more that you'll learn before your test or you can read about them here:
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg...s/news/part97/

Hope this helps.
 
Good info. Usually post the rescue links and that sells people.
 
if you get caught using a ham radio (out of band) modified they can take your ham license and fine you up to $10000 just food for thought!

Not going to ever happen. Radios are sold to the public with the upper channels available, you can make a radio from scratch if you want to and there is not anything they can do about it. Modding you radio for upper public freq. is totally legal, if you have been informed otherwise they were wrong. Radio manufactures even make available the info for the mods. Out of all the radios I have used the 75w Icom 8000 for 199.00 seems to work really good for the money, 110w $1400.00 Kenwood is not a whole lot better in range. The mic mod and diode mod takes 5 min due to the fact it is designed to be modified.
 
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Not going to ever happen. Radios are sold to the public with the upper channels available, you can make a radio from scratch if you want to and there is not shit they can do about it. Modding you radio for upper public freq. is totally legal, if you have been informed otherwise they were wrong. Radio manufactures even make available the info for the mods. Out of all the radios I have used the 75w Icom 8000 for 199.00 seems to work really good for the money, 110w $1400.00 Kenwood is not a whole lot better in range. The mic mod and diode mod takes 5 min due to the fact it is designed to be modified.


sweet! thanks for clearing that up :)
 
Also, you may as well buy the radio before you get your liscense. You wont be able to use it to "chit-chat" withouth a liscense, however the rules clearly state that in an emergency (threat to human life) Anyone is allowed to use any channel/ power level neccesary to save a life. Better to have it and not need it imho.

Also: Get your liscenses before June, they are changing the test in June, and the books will be much more expensive, as they havent been out for 10 years
 
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