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The "Benefits" of Socialism

Brad M.

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This is an excellent read. Long, but worth it. The opening paragraph sums up why socialism doesn't work perhaps better than anything I've read...

"One of the most important things to remember about socialism – or coercion of any kind – is it fails eventually because human beings have an innate desire for liberty and a strong need for personal property rights."

Link:

http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/detroits-socialist-nightmare-is-americas-future/

Article:

One of the most important things to remember about socialism – or coercion of any kind – is it fails eventually because human beings have an innate desire for liberty and a strong need for personal property rights. In fact, the origins of government lie in the need of agricultural communities to protect themselves from violence and theft. So it is particularly ironic that in more recent times, it is government itself that has more frequently played the role of bandit. When you start taxing people at extreme rates to pay for socialist “benefits,” when you start telling them which schools their children must attend, when you start giving jobs away to people based on race instead of ability… you quash human freedom, which bogs down productivity… and if continued for long enough, leads to social collapse.

I find it perplexing that only 20 years after the collapse of the Berlin Wall, the West continues to implement laws that mimic all of the failed policies of our former “communist” foes. In fact, our current president won the election by promising to “spread the wealth around.” But… truth be told… we don’t have to look to Eastern Europe or the Soviet Union to find a society destroyed by coercion, socialism, and the overreaching power of the State. We could just look at Detroit…

In 1961, the last Republican mayor of Detroit lost his re-election bid to a young, intelligent Democrat, with the overwhelming support of newly organized black voters. His name was Jerome Cavanagh. The incumbent was widely considered to be corrupt (and later served 10 years in prison for tax evasion). Cavanagh, a white man, pandered to poor underclass black voters. He marched with Martin Luther King down the streets of Detroit in 1963. (Of course, marching with King was the right thing to do… It’s just Cavanagh’s motives were political not moral.) He instated aggressive affirmative action policies at City Hall. And most critically, he greatly expanded the role of the government in Detroit, taking advantage of President Lyndon Johnson’s “Model Cities Program” – the first great experiment in centralized urban planning.

Mayor Cavanagh was the only elected official to serve on Johnson’s task force. And Detroit received widespread acclaim for its leadership in the program, which attempted to turn a nine-square-mile section of the city (with 134,000 inhabitants) into a “model city.” More than $400 million was spent trying to turn inner cities into shining new monuments to government planning. In short, the feds and Democratic city mayors were soon telling people where to live, what to build, and what businesses to open or close. In return, the people received cash, training, education, and health care.

The Model Cities program was a disaster for Detroit. But it did accomplish its real goal: The creation of a state-supported, Democratic political power base. The program also resulted in much higher taxes – which were easy to pitch to poor voters who didn’t have to pay them. Cavanagh pushed a new income tax through the state legislature and a “commuter tax” on city workers.

Unfortunately, as with all socialist programs, lots of folks simply don’t like being told what to do. Lots of folks don’t like being plundered by the government. They don’t like losing their jobs because of their race.

In Detroit, they didn’t like paying new, large taxes to fund a largely black and Democratic political hegemony. And so, in 1966, more than 22,000 middle- and upper-class residents moved out of the city.

But what about the poor? As my friend Doug Casey likes to say, in the War on Poverty, the poor lost the most. In July 1967, police attempted to break up a late-night party in the middle of the new “Model City.” The scene turned into the worst race riot of the 1960s. The violence killed more than 40 people and left more than 5,000 people homeless. One of the first stores to be looted was the black-owned pharmacy. The largest black-owned clothing store in the city was also burned to the ground. Cavanagh did nothing to stop the riots, fearing a large police presence would make matters worse. Five days later, Johnson sent in two divisions of paratroopers to put down the insurrection. Over the next 18 months, an additional 140,000 upper- and middle-class residents – almost all of them white – left the city.

And so, you might rightfully ask… after five years of centralized planning, higher taxes, and a fleeing population, what did the government decide to do with its grand experiment, its “Model City”? You’ll never guess….

Seeing it had accomplished nothing but failure, the government endeavored to do still more. The Model City program was expanded and enlarged by 1974’s Community Development Block Grant Program. Here again, politicians would decide which groups (and even individuals) would receive state funds for various “renewal” schemes. Later, Big Business was brought into the fold. In exchange for various concessions, the Big Three automakers “gave” $488 million to the city for use in still more redevelopment schemes in the mid-1990s.

What happened? Even with all of their power and all of the money, centralized planners couldn’t succeed with any of their plans. Nearly all of the upper and middle class left Detroit. The poor fled, too. The Model City area lost 63% of its population and 45% of its housing units from the inception of the program through 1990.

Even today, the crisis continues. At a recent auction of nearly 9,000 seized homes and lots, less than one-fifth of the available properties sold, even with bidding starting at $500. You literally can’t give away most of the “Model City” areas today. The properties put up for sale last week represented an area the size of New York’s Central Park. Total vacant land in Detroit now occupies an area the size of Boston – Detroit properties in foreclosure have more than tripled since 2007.

Every single mayor of Detroit since 1961 has been a Democrat. Every single mayor of Detroit since 1974 has been black. Detroit has been a major recipient of every major social program since the early 1960s and has received hundreds of billions of dollars in government grants, loans, and programs. We now have a black, Democrat president, who is promising to do to America as a whole what his political mentors have done to Detroit.

Those of you with a Democratic political affiliation may think what I’ve written above is biased or false. You may think what you like. But there is no way to argue that what the government has done to Detroit is anything but a horrendous crime. You may think what I’ve written above is merely a political analysis. Perhaps so, but politicians drive macroeconomic policy. And macroeconomic policy determines key financial metrics, like the trade-weighted value of a currency and key interest rates.

The likelihood America will become a giant Detroit is growing – rapidly. Politicians now control the banking sector, most of the manufacturing sector (including autos), a large amount of media, and are threatening to take over health care and the production of electricity (via cap and trade rules). These are the biggest threats to wealth in the history of our country. And these threats are causing the world’s most accomplished and wealthy investors to actively short sell the United States – something that is unprecedented in my experience.

Regards,
Porter Stansberry

November 2, 2009
 
This is an excellent read. Long, but worth it. The opening paragraph sums up why socialism doesn't work perhaps better than anything I've read...

I live in California and except for a short stint where I was stationed outside the state have lived in San Francisco for over 50 years until Oct 2009.

In the mid-late 1970's the voters passed Proposition 13 that severely limited the states ability to raise property tax rates. Hmmm....

I choose what schools that my children (now ages 23-29) attended from pre-K through college. Hmmm....

I have not been given a job (SF firefighter) based on not fitting into a specific category, but in the long run it turned out for the best as my current job assignment pays me as much as a deputy chief in the same county.

So based on the 1st paragraph in the article you reference California is only 1/3 the way to the socialist state the rest of the country believes it to be. :wave:
 
I live in California and except for a short stint where I was stationed outside the state have lived in San Francisco for over 50 years until Oct 2009.

In the mid-late 1970's the voters passed Proposition 13 that severely limited the states ability to raise property tax rates. Hmmm....

I choose what schools that my children (now ages 23-29) attended from pre-K through college. Hmmm....

I have not been given a job (SF firefighter) based on not fitting into a specific category, but in the long run it turned out for the best as my current job assignment pays me as much as a deputy chief in the same county.

So based on the 1st paragraph in the article you reference California is only 1/3 the way to the socialist state the rest of the country believes it to be. :wave:

Then you are much better off than Detroit. :D
 
I live in California and except for a short stint where I was stationed outside the state have lived in San Francisco for over 50 years until Oct 2009.

In the mid-late 1970's the voters passed Proposition 13 that severely limited the states ability to raise property tax rates. Hmmm....

I choose what schools that my children (now ages 23-29) attended from pre-K through college. Hmmm....

I have not been given a job (SF firefighter) based on not fitting into a specific category, but in the long run it turned out for the best as my current job assignment pays me as much as a deputy chief in the same county.

So based on the 1st paragraph in the article you reference California is only 1/3 the way to the socialist state the rest of the country believes it to be. :wave:

Way to focus on the sprinkles on your dog crap sunday........yummie!
 
Way to focus on the sprinkles on your dog crap sunday........yummie!

NO. You can't sit there and say my experience, yes what I lived through, is any less important than an article posted, not experienced 1st and definitely not written by the OP.

Let's call the article what it really is about. It is about race. Not even thinnly veiled, it's about race. There is absolutley no reason to point out that every mayor for the last 30 years was black. Why is that an issue with the downturn of Detroit unless the point the writer is trying to make is black mayors can not be successful? White flight to the suburbs did occur. Why? Because middle class working people had an opportunity to purchase tract homes. Was it really white flight, no it was just another migration to the suburbs that began at the end of WWII.

The OP specifically points out the 1st paragraph. I counter because I have a different experience but my counter point doesn't fit neatly into your little box of the universe. It doesn't need to it is my experience not yours. There is always two sides to every coin.

While everyone is sucking down kool-aid provided by large corporate interests about the way 'liberals' are destroying this country they are convienently ignoring that there is an active campaign to make the citizenry a all about me, dog eat dog society.

Are you ready for corporate candidates? The supreme court's ruling this week will do more to hurt the election process than any other government action that has occurred in my life time. Losing the election process to really big money is losing Freedom, but well let's just continue & participate in the organized attacks on liberals and /or people who's views don't match the one in my little universe. I post counter points not to be a jerk, not to start fights or be disruptive but to show the other side of the coin.

I guess I should just start shopping at the company store now because we are rapidly heading back to that era.
 
NO. You can't sit there and say my experience, yes what I lived through, is any less important than an article posted, not experienced 1st and definitely not written by the OP.

Let's call the article what it really is about. It is about race. Not even thinnly veiled, it's about race. There is absolutley no reason to point out that every mayor for the last 30 years was black. Why is that an issue with the downturn of Detroit unless the point the writer is trying to make is black mayors can not be successful? White flight to the suburbs did occur. Why? Because middle class working people had an opportunity to purchase tract homes. Was it really white flight, no it was just another migration to the suburbs that began at the end of WWII.

The OP specifically points out the 1st paragraph. I counter because I have a different experience but my counter point doesn't fit neatly into your little box of the universe. It doesn't need to it is my experience not yours. There is always two sides to every coin.

While everyone is sucking down kool-aid provided by large corporate interests about the way 'liberals' are destroying this country they are convienently ignoring that there is an active campaign to make the citizenry a all about me, dog eat dog society.

Are you ready for corporate candidates? The supreme court's ruling this week will do more to hurt the election process than any other government action that has occurred in my life time. Losing the election process to really big money is losing Freedom, but well let's just continue & participate in the organized attacks on liberals and /or people who's views don't match the one in my little universe. I post counter points not to be a jerk, not to start fights or be disruptive but to show the other side of the coin.

I guess I should just start shopping at the company store now because we are rapidly heading back to that era.

It may be that corporate executives are going to need secret service protection in the future...
 
We all see different things when reading an article like this. You think it's about race, I didn't even read it that way. We will all have a different perspective. Is the author biased? Absolutely. No one is truly unbiased. I personally don't care what race all the mayors of Detroit have been over the last 30 years, but I am interested in the type of policies implemented, the amount of money funneled their way, and the results of the use of these programs and money.

The reason I posted it was that, for me personally, these two statements stood out;

"One of the most important things to remember about socialism – or coercion of any kind – is it fails eventually because human beings have an innate desire for liberty and a strong need for personal property rights."

The reason this struck a chord with me is because I am one of those people who don't want redistribution of wealth. I want to EARN my living, my property, and my successes in life. I think much of middle-class America feels the same way. When government run programs become so powerful as to slowly erode away my freedom to earn those things, and replace them with what said government feels is most appropriate for me, it becomes a concern for me. By and large Americans resist socialist programs because we're used to our freedom, and we want to be the ones who determine our successes in life through our hard work, not have the government determine it for us. I'm not saying that is "exactly" what happened in Detroit. I'm simply saying I believe that is a perception that a lot of people have of what socialism is.

Second piece of information that struck a chord with me;

"Detroit has been a major recipient of every major social program since the early 1960s and has received hundreds of billions of dollars in government grants, loans, and programs."

If this is indeed true, then why is the city in shambles? THAT is probably the biggest question I have. WHY DIDN'T IT WORK? Mismanagement? Money laundering? Fraud? Greed? I believe they all play a part and you can't blame any one thing in particular. But I do know one thing for sure... if after 50 years of following this pattern of pumping money into Detroit for these programs with a resulting steady and continual decline of the city, they should go about it differently. You would think they would. But they're not. Check out this page; http://www.michigan.gov/recovery. Right there on that page you can see tidbits of info of how much additional money Michigan is receiving from the Recovery Act.

Granholm Announces $34 Million in Recovery Act Grants to Expand Broadband Access in Michigan

Granholm Announces Nearly $6 Million from Recovery Act for Green Jobs Training

Michigan wins $223M in Recovery Act Neighborhood Stabilization Program funding

Gov. Granholm on $56.6 million in Recovery Act grants awarded to 5 Michigan companies for technology to boost fuel economy


They continue to use Detroit as a "model city" for government programs and throw money at the problem with no sign of letting up. But it is not working, quite the opposite actually. The point the author is making, from my perspective, is that the current administration has the same mindset that has made Detroit what it is today, and there is fear that if this same "model city" approach is used on a national scale, America will end up like Detroit.
 
Socialism is a necessary part of any modern society. Do you want to live in a nation without public schools, police, firefighting, public roads, public parks, national forests, etc?

Socialist and capitalist utopias are both myths. You need both.
 
Way to focus on the sprinkles on your dog crap sunday........yummie!


Well, those are valid points. However, CA sucks on gun control, income tax (one of the only states in the union to tax military retirement), anything to do with autos (smog requirements, mpg requirements, gas taxes, etc), but we have legalized medicinal marijuana. That's something, right?
 
Socialism is a necessary part of any modern society. Do you want to live in a nation without public schools, police, firefighting, public roads, public parks, national forests, etc?

Socialist and capitalist utopias are both myths. You need both.
There's a difference between socialism and socialist policies. Socialism drives the whole arena, controlling everything. Some "socialist" policies are indeed necessary.
 
"Whiskeyandgunpowder" - I am sure this is a very unbiased website...

Not that I disagree :D
theeeeese are a few of my faaaavorite things... :music:
 
BHO trying to explain to an illegal immigrant why socialism is better than capitalism:

"Socialism is better than capitalism because under socialism is one man has two cows we take one of his cows away from him and give it to you." The illegal immigrant says "Socialism is good!".

Encouraged by the response, BHO continues: "And if another man has two goats, we take one away and give it to you!" The illegal immigrant squeals with joy and says: "Socialism is wonderful!".

Now, finding such a enthusiastic audience, BHO really gets fired up in his rhetoric: "And, if a man has two chickens, we take away one of his chickens..." and he is interrupted when the illegal immigrant jumps upon him and starts choking him! BHO is saved when the Secret Service Agents manage to pull the homicidal illegal immigrant off of the President. BHO is dumbfounded, and can't understand the sudden change in the illegal immigrants attitude. BHO asks the man "What the hell is wrong with you!" The illegal immigrant replies: "I have two chickens!".
 
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