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REAL health care reform.

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Sunday Forum: Suck it up, America
We have become a nation of whining hypochondriacs, and the only way to fix a broken health-care system is for all of us to get a grip, says DR. THOMAS A. DOYLE
Sunday, October 11, 2009
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Emergency departments are distilleries that boil complex blends of trauma, stress and emotion down to the essence of immediacy: What needs to be done, right now, to fix the problem. Working the past 20 years in such environments has shown me with great clarity what is wrong (and right) with our nation's medical system.

It's obvious to me that despite all the furor and rancor, what is being debated in Washington currently is not health-care reform. It's only health-care insurance reform. It addresses the undeniably important issues of who is going to pay and how, but completely misses the point of why.

Health care costs too much in our country because we deliver too much health care. We deliver too much because we demand too much. And we demand it for all the wrong reasons. We're turning into a nation of anxious wimps.

I still love my job; very few things are as emotionally rewarding as relieving true pain and suffering, sharing compassionate care and actually saving lives. Illness and injury will always require the best efforts our medical system can provide. But emergency departments nationwide are being overwhelmed by the non-emergent, and doctors in general are asked to treat what doesn't need treatment.

In a single night I had patients come in to our emergency department, most brought by ambulance, for the following complaints: I smoked marijuana and got dizzy; I got stung by a bee and it hurts; I got drunk and have a hangover; I sat out in the sun and got sunburn; I ate Mexican food and threw up; I picked my nose and it bled, but now it stopped; I just had sex and want to know if I'm pregnant.

Since all my colleagues and I have worked our shifts while suffering from worse symptoms than these (well, not the marijuana, I hope), we have understandably lost some of our natural empathy for such patients. When working with a cold, flu or headache, I often feel I am like one of those cute little animal signs in amusement parks that say "you must be taller than me to ride this ride" only mine should read "you must be sicker than me to come to our emergency department." You'd be surprised how many patients wouldn't qualify.

At a time when we have an unprecedented obsession with health (Dr. Oz, "The Doctors," Oprah and a host of daytime talk shows make the smallest issues seem like apocalyptic pandemics) we have substandard national wellness. This is largely because the media focuses on the exotic and the sensational and ignores the mundane.

Our society has warped our perception of true risk. We are taught to fear vaccinations, mold, shark attacks, airplanes and breast implants when we really should worry about smoking, drug abuse, obesity, cars and basic hygiene. If you go by pharmaceutical advertisement budgets, our most critical health needs are to have sex and fall asleep.

Somehow we have developed an expectation that our health should always be perfect, and if it isn't, there should be a pill to fix it. With every ache and sniffle we run to the doctor or purchase useless quackery such as the dietary supplement Airborne or homeopathic cures (to the tune of tens of billions of dollars a year). We demand unnecessary diagnostic testing, narcotics for bruises and sprains, antibiotics for our viruses (which do absolutely no good). And due to time constraints on physicians, fear of lawsuits and the pressure to keep patients satisfied, we usually get them.

Yet the great secret of medicine is that almost everything we see will get better (or worse) no matter how we treat it. Usually better.

The human body is exquisitely talented at healing. If bodies didn't heal by themselves, we'd be up the creek. Even in an intensive care unit, with our most advanced techniques applied, all we're really doing is optimizing the conditions under which natural healing can occur. We give oxygen and fluids in the right proportions, raise or lower the blood pressure as needed and allow the natural healing mechanisms time to do their work. It's as if you could put your car in the service garage, make sure you give it plenty of gas, oil and brake fluid and that transmission should fix itself in no time.

The bottom line is that most conditions are self-limited. This doesn't mesh well with our immediate-gratification, instant-action society. But usually that bronchitis or back ache or poison ivy or stomach flu just needs time to get better. Take two aspirin and call me in the morning wasn't your doctor being lazy in the middle of the night; it was sound medical practice. As a wise pediatrician colleague of mine once told me, "Our best medicines are Tincture of Time and Elixir of Neglect." Taking drugs for things that go away on their own is rarely helpful and often harmful.

We've become a nation of hypochondriacs. Every sneeze is swine flu, every headache a tumor. And at great expense, we deliver fantastically prompt, thorough and largely unnecessary care.

There is tremendous financial pressure on physicians to keep patients happy. But unlike business, in medicine the customer isn't always right. Sometimes a doctor needs to show tough love and deny patients the quick fix.

A good physician needs to have the guts to stand up to people and tell them that their baby gets ear infections because they smoke cigarettes. That it's time to admit they are alcoholics. That they need to suck it up and deal with discomfort because narcotics will just make everything worse. That what's really wrong with them is that they are just too damned fat. Unfortunately, this type of advice rarely leads to high patient satisfaction scores.

Modern medicine is a blessing which improves all our lives. But until we start educating the general populace about what really affects health and what a doctor is capable (and more importantly, incapable) of fixing, we will continue to waste a large portion of our health-care dollar on treatments which just don't make any difference.

Anita Dufalla/Post-Gazette
Dr. Thomas A. Doyle is a specialist in emergency medicine who practices in Sewickley ([email protected]). This is an excerpt from a book he is writing called "Suck It Up, America: The Tough Choices Needed for Real Health-Care Reform."

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09284/1004304-109.stm#ixzz0Ty8QChNR
 
Never said better. We live in a nation where diseases are as much a fad as clothes or techno gadgets and then wonder why our insurance companies have to charge so much to keep up with us. It is as much the doctors fault as the patients, though. Often times doctors are willing to give treatments and schedule checkup appointments when they are not needed just because they know the insurance company will pay for it. I can't say as I blame them either, they have to make their money the same as we do.
 
Brilliant Doctor said:
We have become a nation of whining hypochondriacs.......That they need to suck it up and deal with discomfort because narcotics will just make everything worse. That what's really wrong with them is that they are just too damned fat

my favorite parts...lol...but the entire post is awesome....and unfortunately, so true....
 
It's true. We spend more as a nation because we get much more treatment. My dad goes to his doctor and then a specialist for every little thing and it costs a lot of freaking money. Naturally this makes healthcare costs higher, but it is worsened because people keep demanding that their insurance should pay for every bottle of aspirin. If we treated health insurance like car insurance it wouldn't cost much at all. How much more would car insurance cost if we demanded it cover every oil change?
 
This is all wrong. Didn't you see the last episode of House? We are all dying of something.

"Yet the great secret of medicine is that almost everything we see will get better (or worse) no matter how we treat it. Usually better."
-That's my favorite line.

One thing not mentioned is the large amount of bonehead doctors. It's hard to find a good doc. Kinda reminds me of those threads from people who work the parts counter that complain about how stupid customers are.
 
This is very true. The only time I've ever been to the ER was this January, for a quickly-bleeding slash across the top of my finger - ended up with five stitches. If I had already known how to determine if my tendons had been cut (I was too chicken to push down on the fingernail while trying to lift the finger, which is... what the ER doc had me do. Lesson learned) and had had a tetanus shot sometime in the last 20 years (long story), I would have thrown some peroxide on it and stitched it up myself. I sat around for 2 hours in the waiting room holding gauze on my hand (gee I could have done that at home) while some idiot threw up and another insisted she had some deadly disease that she read about on the internet. Total: $1300 and 3 hours of my life wasted, and I just got done dealing with the paperwork from the hospital and my insurance company a few days ago...

All my friends act like I'm an idiot for not popping pills left and right for every minor problem. It shocks me to see the pile of pill bottles on the counter in their bathrooms.
 
The state of health in our country is absurd.. no one wants to own up for their own issues. What, you have a cough? Must be that latest disease, not the fact that you smoke. Your child has an upset stomach? Could it possibly be all the fast food your pumping into them? You know what, I'm a big guy.. guess why? I'll give you a hint, it's not genetics... well maybe partially genetics. :D I like beer, I like red meat, I dont like the gym. It's my fault, I could change my lifestyle if I wanted to change my weight, I won't take a pill for it. Thanks, have a great day.

Last week I met a woman at the bar who apparently was diagnosed with emphysema or something similar; to be honest, I didn't particularly care (call me an ass if you want). She went out several times over the course of the night to have a smoke.. She even said at one point "and I have never really smoked all that much" like she had no clue why she had lung issues (for the record; she sounded like she had been smoking two packs a day for the past 20 years). Earlier that day I was sitting there thinking that I smoke alot since I tend to have one cig on the way out of work after a long day (used to smoke full time & quit, it just comes back to me when I have a stressful day... still working on that:banghead: I still believe that first cig I smoked was the worst decision I have made yet).

The other thing, as Curtis & Al Bundy said.. most doctors are in it for themselves, not their patients well-being. Most seem to nickle and dime a patient to and try to keep them coming in for those weekly appointments. I am proud to say that my father is a chiropractor who treat his patients and have them move on with their lives. Normally he will treat them and within 1 or 2 visits they are feeling great. None of that "well you will need to come in for weekly visits for the next 2 months" shit some will give you.

kastein: I agree fully with that. I got a nice battle scar on my leg while out trail riding on dual sports (xt350) with a friend. I got back on the trail, and rode my ass home. 2 days later it finally stopped bleeding at which point I looked back over the past 2 days and figured "maybe this is one of those times stitches would have been helpful" :laugh:. As the article says... the body heals itself. I had to go to the Dr. about a month ago. I went in for after hours at the local clinic and it took them hours to help me because I wasn't fully registered w/ any Dr. office :laugh2: Long story short: Apparently my parents changed Dr. offices 5 or 6 years ago while I was still in college. They registered me with the new office and once I graduated I got my own insurance but kept myself registered with the same office... but I had never actually visited so I wasn't on his books. I just had my first time that I set foot in a Dr. office in probably 5 years. I am healthy and I don't get sick. If people would stop pumping themselves full of meds at every little illness, maybe "swine flu" would just be a minor inconvenience rather than a damn epidemic. I still get strange looks from people when I refuse to go to the Dr becasue I have a cold, or maybe an upset stomach. I will go bed early, get some rest, and be fine in the morning. Thanks for your concern. End rant

Edit: Just looked in my pill cabinate. In there I found toothpaste, toothbrush, cologne, small jar of advil.. dont think I have touched the advil in a couple months either. Clearly I am not a healthy person.

Edit 2: I think George Carlin said it quite well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnmMNdiCz_s&feature=player_embedded
 
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About the only OTC medication I take is a bit of Ibuprofen. And since I play soccer with the Flight Doc a few days a week I feel pretty well taken care of. Although 1 JO has already learned not to jokingly ask him "does this look like a rash?" in the middle of the squadron.

I avoid hospitals and the ER like the plague. They take too long and I always end up like kastein, pissed off. I have learned that if you are in the ER and tired of waiting, just wait till the charge nurse is looking your way, put a confused look on your face, and fall down/slide out of your chair. I watched a buddy do that and get seen immediately.
 
If you have to go to the ER, call 911 and go in an ambulance and they take you right in. Otherwise, just wait & go to your regular dock. You could die waiting in an ER waiting room.
 
I had to go to the ER last spring when I sprained my ankle pretty bad. Something like 4 hrs later I got an x-ray then 1hr after that I got my prescription for anti-inflamm meds, lol.

If I didn't think I had broke something, I woulda went to our walk-in places. They're better than the hospital.
 
If you have to go to the ER, call 911 and go in an ambulance and they take you right in. Otherwise, just wait & go to your regular dock. You could die waiting in an ER waiting room.
in our ER if you do this and ain't sick you'll still be in the waiting room. The ER is for sick people
 
My area of Florida does not seem to have many of the Urgent care clinics. When I lived in NC they would have been my first choice most of the time.

Stitches at hospital - $500 copay
Stitches at Urgent Care - $50 copay.

The ER was always a pain.
 
We tried taking our (at the time) 3 yr old daughter to Urgent care after she split her nose (at the very bottom, cut it where it meets the mustache area) from jumping on her bed like we told her not to. Urgent care said we can't stitch a child that young you need to go to emergency. So, off to emergency we go (separate clinic/area, section of town). We wait for 3-4 hrs in Emergency while watching the Dr flirt with one of the nurses. Finally they bring her in and say we should've taken her to Urgent care, quick little glue job and she's done. :doh:

As far as the article, I agree. I rarely go to the doctor. I went recently because of an ear infection. And then only because I needed the day off from work (it hurt to hear, talk, chew, swallow, move my head, etc etc.) and they needed doctor's proof. I went to the ER after totalling my car in '03. Rode the ambulance, found out I had broken my hand pretty good. The doctor was impressed. Told me I did a better job than anyone he'd seen...Found out you don't want to take the ambulance. They bill you for it separately from the hospital and require a separate claim with the insurance. Some insurance won't cover it.
 
The only thing that I would add is that if a person commits a crime and is injured while committing the crime, they should be on their own...
 
1) Tort reform. Reduce the number of frivolous malpractise suits, you reduce the costs of malpractise insurance. Reduce the cost, reduce the premium. Reduce the premium, and the doctor doesn't need to charge as much. There's something wrong with a psychiatrist (can't prescribe anything, can't do surgery) needing to carry malpractise coverage to the tune of $150K per annum.

2) Eliminate at least some third parties. Put the ambulance drivers, paramedics, and EMTs back under the auspices of the fire departments - where they belong.

3) "Instant gratification" and "wish fulfilment" need to go. People need to get realistic about what doctors can and can not do.

Viz: When I started consulting my pain management specialist, as a goal I'd put down "Significantly reduce chronic pain." He told me most people put down "eliminate pain" - which sets him up for failure, since pain usually can't be totally eliminated. I was actually the second (in ten years or so) to give him a realistic goal - if you can reduce my pain by "two-thirds to three-quarters," I'll be happy.

Told my rehab doc the same thing - he's been in practise longer, but more or less the same conversation ensued (he's just been doing it for 20-25 years instead of not quite ten.)

And no, I don't expect "instant" results. I didn't get this way overnight, I don't expect to have anything resolved overnight (although Dr. Hsieh has helped me make remarkable progress, and what Dr. Jadali has to say is rather promising. I doubt seriously I'll make a full recovery, but I'll remain open and see what does happen!)

It's the lack of these two attitudes - MDs can't work miracles, and MDs can't work instantly - that has driven a lot of the other problems we've ended up with (like frivolous malpractise suits.)

Kinda like how juries are getting, in a way, "contaminated" by the various crime dramas and CSI shows. They can't differentiate between fact and fiction, and therefore expect results in the real world akin to what they see on TV. Problem is, TV is scripted. Real life is not.
 
1) Tort reform. Reduce the number of frivolous malpractise suits, you reduce the costs of malpractise insurance. Reduce the cost, reduce the premium. Reduce the premium, and the doctor doesn't need to charge as much. There's something wrong with a psychiatrist (can't prescribe anything, can't do surgery) needing to carry malpractise coverage to the tune of $150K per annum.

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THREAD HI_JACK!!!

Jon,

About Tort Reform...This morning on the drive in there was a story about "victims" of Katrina suing energy companies because the carbon emissions led to global warming that cuased the air and sea to heat up and the intensity of hurricanes over the last couple of years to increase. Just shook my head. Please remember to drive carefully and that Hot coffee is served Hot and may cause scalding.

Tom
 
THREAD HI_JACK!!!

Jon,

About Tort Reform...This morning on the drive in there was a story about "victims" of Katrina suing energy companies because the carbon emissions led to global warming that cuased the air and sea to heat up and the intensity of hurricanes over the last couple of years to increase. Just shook my head. Please remember to drive carefully and that Hot coffee is served Hot and may cause scalding.

Tom

Wait, what?

Someone around here has a sig I like - "Stupidity is the problem in America. I'm not saying stupid people should be killed, but can't we remove product warnings and let the problem solve itself?" Or something to that effect.

Used to be that stupidity was the only true capital crime in the world, sentence was immediate, and there was no appeal. Thanks to humanity's egoist interference, that has been modified (and not for the better.)

Gawd, I wish I could say, "I don't believe it," but I somehow can. I wonder if Al Gore championed that suit...
 
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