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Old December 12th, 2009, 11:14
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

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Not sure what year it is from, but I'd guess late 80's non tilt. I tried the screwdriver deal. I even tried to beat it into the lock with a 3lb sledge hammer, with nary a scratch.
Anyone that has drilled one out please let me know how you've done it, I think I'm down to having to do it that way.
No need to drill and DO NOT do the above any more. You can break the rack linkage behind the ignition lock. not good. Let's cross our fingers on that one for now.

Look at this picture again. The arrow points to the buzzer actuator. It is white and has 2 copper contacts pointing to the 11 o'clock position. Use this as a reference. There are two types of retainers. One is a screw retainer, the other is a spring loaded, half moon type retainer.

Screw Retainer type:To the immediate right of the buzzer actuator is the hole where the screw retainer came out (there are three types, a torex, hexhead, or a phillupshead screw). If yours has this screw, take it out. (If not, see the Spring loaded Retainer Type). If the ignition does not come out, the buzzer actuator tab On the ignition lock may be hindering removal, (or it has the spring retainer type lock). It's shown in the next picture and is blue, on the bottom left of the lock and is shown extended.








In either case this actuator needs to be removed. In your case, this tab may be extended and is caught behind the white ignition actuator described above. To bypass this, you must remove the white actuator by gently pulling the actuator out. Wiggle it and use medium pressure with needle nose pliers. It WILL come out. Now pull the ignition out. It still may give you some resistance, because of damage or deformed actuator tab. You can toss the white actuator and the clip retainer if you wish to deactivate your key buzzer. That is it's only function and is not a necessary component. If it does not come out, then it may have a spring retainer. Look my next post on this type and how to deal with it.

NOTE: (1) never have a key inserted into the lock (it protrudes the Tab on the ignition lock). (2) with both or these types of ignitions, the ignition does NOT (and should not be) be turned.
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Old December 12th, 2009, 11:46
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

Spring Retainer Type Ignition.

Look at the copper contact points of the buzzer actuator. See the void behind the upper one, right where the lower one stops (in a shadow behind it.). This is your access point.



After confirming this is not a screw retained ignition (and the screw is not present), pull out the white actuator as described in the previous post. In the lower part of the void is where the access is to the half-moon retainer. If the lock has never been replaced, there will be a thin layer of casting over the access slot. Because of the sloping in this recess, your access point is at the bottom right in this recessed void. Use a thin flat screw driver or other probe to tap through the casting and press inward on the retainer while pulling out on the ignition.

Note: When the manufacturer went from the Spring to the Screw type retainer to retain the ignition, This casting stayed in the column for the spring type. So, a spring retained ignition would still fit in a screw retained column.

Hope this helped. PM Me if you need further help or clarification. Good luck !

One Last point. If your column or ignition does not look exactly like the photos, you may have a different column type. They are rare but does take a different procedure than the one described, does have to be Picked or drilled, and then turned to press the retainer for extraction. (cross your fingers that you don't have one of these) If unsure, try to post some pics of the column and ignition.
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Old December 12th, 2009, 11:59
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

Nice posts Chick! I just remembered that my 85 gave me fits, partly because I was trying to replace it with an 85, but the column had been replaced years earlier with an 86 or 87? The new 85 lock would not install. IIRC, 5-90 said there were 5 different GM column versions, and I found 5 different GM locks for XJs at AZ one day when trying to match my old one.

Moral of story, don't assume the Jeep year, is the same year as the column you are tackling!

It might help to go look at the different new locks at the parts store to see the differences!
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Old December 12th, 2009, 12:18
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

On researching further, If you have a late 80's era cherokee, then I am positive you have a spring retained, AMC type ignition. Use the above procedure and you are set.

Below is a poor picture of this type of ignition. On the lower left of the lock you can see the white buzzer actuator tab. On the upper left, you can see the black, spring loaded retainer that must be depressed for removal. Once removed, the key code will be stamped the the lock housing. By making a key from this code, you will then at least have a door key, assuming of course it was the original ignition.


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Old December 12th, 2009, 12:23
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

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Nice posts Chick! I just remembered that my 85 gave me fits, partly because I was trying to replace it with an 85, but the column had been replaced years earlier with an 86 or 87? The new 85 lock would not install. IIRC, 5-90 said there were 5 different GM column versions, and I found 5 different GM locks for XJs at AZ one day when trying to match my old one.

Moral of story, don't assume the Jeep year, is the same year as the column you are tackling!


It might help to go look at the different new locks at the parts store to see the differences!

Very true! Many variations out there, and the owner modified ones can give you fits sometimes !
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Old December 12th, 2009, 12:47
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

ok, My column is as shown in the above picture, it was semi-broken when I got the column and not in working order even if I could have gotten the number off of it for a new key. I have the entire column torn down for modification so everything is out of it and the column piece only had the cam and lock cylinder still in it.
There is nothing that I can see that is holding it in yet it will not release. I am going to try to drill it out still. If this doesn't work I will just put another key switch on the dash (this is actually in my willys buggy now, so it doesn't have to have the column key I was just trying to keep it simple since I have another cylinder already with a good key.
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Old December 13th, 2009, 09:39
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

After 3 hours of tearing apart the lock cylinder (piece by piece) I got the tumbler out but the housing stayed firmly in the column.
It would move inward about 1/4" before contacting the gear and outwards until it seated (from the back side) againsnt the column again. I still couldn't see anything holding it in. But kept looking anyway. It turns out that there is a spring loaded setup in this particular lock that I couldn't find anyone or anything that could show it.
If you look in the picture posted above by Chuck with the red arrow then look slightly to the left and up you'll see a small opening to the side of the lock keeper bolt. Inside that slit is a small keeper that had proved very effective in keeping in the cylinder.

If you have this same problem push it in with a small flathead screwdriver and the assembly will pop out. Once it is out I had to find a self tapper screw to hold in the new lock because the old one didn't have the keeper bold in place from the factory due to the retainer it was made with.

Good luck to all, hope you don't have to figure it out the way I did. I had the entire column torn down for some modification but still took way too much time to figure out how to get the lock out. Now it is back in the rock crawler and needs a little support from the firewall before it will be driveable.

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Old December 13th, 2009, 19:24
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

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After 3 hours of tearing apart the lock cylinder (piece by piece) I got the tumbler out but the housing stayed firmly in the column.
It would move inward about 1/4" before contacting the gear and outwards until it seated (from the back side) againsnt the column again. I still couldn't see anything holding it in. But kept looking anyway. It turns out that there is a spring loaded setup in this particular lock that I couldn't find anyone or anything that could show it.
If you look in the picture posted above by Chuck with the red arrow then look slightly to the left and up you'll see a small opening to the side of the lock keeper bolt. Inside that slit is a small keeper that had proved very effective in keeping in the cylinder.

If you have this same problem push it in with a small flathead screwdriver and the assembly will pop out. Once it is out I had to find a self tapper screw to hold in the new lock because the old one didn't have the keeper bold in place from the factory due to the retainer it was made with.

Good luck to all, hope you don't have to figure it out the way I did. I had the entire column torn down for some modification but still took way too much time to figure out how to get the lock out. Now it is back in the rock crawler and needs a little support from the firewall before it will be driveable.

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Old December 15th, 2010, 15:49
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

Thanks for this thread...it helped me out a great deal. However, I did figure out a neat way to get the spring back compressed with everything back together. I simply took the horn button and flipped it upside down and used a large flat washer with a notch ground out of one side, You have to have the steering wheel nut and washer and button in your lap, at the same time you have to compress the spring down enough to get the little clip back on the steering shaft on the main splines.

After that you simply hold the steering wheel lock in place and put the horn button on upside down and orient it so the tab sticks out, put washer on and then the steering wheel nut. You can now easily compress the spring down, and with 2 flat screwdrivers you can push the retaining clip down on the shaft due to the 2 holes in the horn button. Hope this picture helps you guys as well. This thing had me in a pickle and it was the easiest way I figured out how to get it back together.



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Old December 26th, 2010, 17:02
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

thanks for the write up worked great for me.
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

Great write-up, I pulled off my steering wheel and looked at the column blankly for a few minutes, then searched naxja. Finding this saved me hours, and this was one of the rare jobs that did not send me to the hardware store. Bumped so others can find it easy.

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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

I don't have that bolt that holds the ignition lock in place. is there somewhere i can pick one up, does it have to be a certain kind?
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Old April 22nd, 2011, 11:48
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

Somehow I lost the bolt that hold my ignition lock in place, actually I don't think it was ever there at least when I took my steering column apart. What size bolt should I get when I go get one at ACE?
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

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Thanks for this thread...it helped me out a great deal. However, I did figure out a neat way to get the spring back compressed with everything back together. I simply took the horn button and flipped it upside down and used a large flat washer with a notch ground out of one side, You have to have the steering wheel nut and washer and button in your lap, at the same time you have to compress the spring down enough to get the little clip back on the steering shaft on the main splines.

After that you simply hold the steering wheel lock in place and put the horn button on upside down and orient it so the tab sticks out, put washer on and then the steering wheel nut. You can now easily compress the spring down, and with 2 flat screwdrivers you can push the retaining clip down on the shaft due to the 2 holes in the horn button. Hope this picture helps you guys as well. This thing had me in a pickle and it was the easiest way I figured out how to get it back together.



Thanks!
Nick
Just wanted to add something that helped me... I did what nick said above and once i got it compressed then this is what I did

It worked beautifully and it was rather easy to get it all back together, I would imagine that you use any clamp with a soft foot to it. I just thought Id share what worked for me

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Old January 5th, 2013, 15:21
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Re: 88 switch ignition lock removal (write up)

thanks for the write-up, it worked great on my 87!
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