bchulett
NAXJA Member #999
- Location
- Southern California
Well guys here's an update....
I finally got my ill-braking '91 XJ down to the dealer to install the new $160 combination (proportion) valve I bought recently.... took a test drive and this is the biggest single improvement to date!
If you recall, I've been bitching about my brakes for two years now. As a review, since March 2000, I've spent a total of $2,793. with little or no improvements on these damn XJ brakes!
1991 XJ specs:
- original owner
- excellent service history
- 3" Rancho
- 31x10.5 BFG's
- no clunk & stopped good until 3/27/2000
Here's the chronology:
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3/27/2000 - 114K miles ("original" rear brake shoes failed... all hydraulic components also original)
- got a brake job... the #2 special.
- new Raybestos PG Plus front rotors/pads
- new Raybestos PG Plus rear shoes/hardware kit
- turned rear drums
Cost: $480.00
result: rear shoes started sticking... clunking effect
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12/19/2000 - 121K miles (after several "under-warranty" adjustments... rear shoes still sticking)
- new rear cylinders
- resurfaced outa-round drums
- warranty replaced the outa-round shoes
Cost: $126.00
result: rear shoes still sticking... pedal goes to floor under hard braking.
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1/05/2001 - Involved in minor accident (slowly rear-ended F-350 as I rolled 15mph to a stop... w/brake pedal at floor)
- hurt me more than than her
- F-350 trailer hitch pushed everything back and broke the grill
- damaged ego
- deductable $100
- insurance paid $531.00
Cost: $700 ($100 + $300 ins. increase for three years)
result: brakes still don't work.... perfect driving record destroyed.
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1/11/2001 - 122K miles (took the damn thing back to the tire company)
- discussed the poor brakes
- explained I wasn't leaving until we reached agreement
- I pay for new parts they supply labor except for master C
- replaced all rear components with Mopar OEM
- replaced front calipers with Mopar OEM
- replaced front pads with Raybestos PG Plus
- replaced front rotors with Raybestos PG Plus
- replaced master cylinder with Mopar OEM
Cost: $2,016
result: brakes still don't work.... rear shoes sticking... clunking... pedal goes to floor
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4/26/2001 - 125K miles (took it to dealer for full inspection: said this is the way XJ's stop)
- told them it wasn't this way when it was new
- also told them to replace the brake booster
Cost: $493
result: brakes still don't work... don't want to spend anymore money... demoralized
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4/30/2003 - 148K miles (it's 26K miles later.... front pads getting thin.... want to keep the Jeep... so I bought a new combo valve.... $160 bucks)
- took it to "five-star" dealer for installation
- replace valve, adjust rear shoes, bleed lines, "I" will test drive
Result: best brakes I've had in 3-years... almost got 'em to lock
DEALER NOW INSTALLING THE FOLLOWING PARTS:
- new Mopar front pads
- new Mopar front rotors
- new Mopar rear shoes
- new Mopar rear drums
- new Mopar rear cylinders
- new Mopar hardware kit
- after "I" test drive....
- new Stainless-Steel flex lines
Cost: TBD
final results: "I" will provide an update
Bob H.
I finally got my ill-braking '91 XJ down to the dealer to install the new $160 combination (proportion) valve I bought recently.... took a test drive and this is the biggest single improvement to date!
If you recall, I've been bitching about my brakes for two years now. As a review, since March 2000, I've spent a total of $2,793. with little or no improvements on these damn XJ brakes!
1991 XJ specs:
- original owner
- excellent service history
- 3" Rancho
- 31x10.5 BFG's
- no clunk & stopped good until 3/27/2000
Here's the chronology:
----------------------------
3/27/2000 - 114K miles ("original" rear brake shoes failed... all hydraulic components also original)
- got a brake job... the #2 special.
- new Raybestos PG Plus front rotors/pads
- new Raybestos PG Plus rear shoes/hardware kit
- turned rear drums
Cost: $480.00
result: rear shoes started sticking... clunking effect
----------------------------
12/19/2000 - 121K miles (after several "under-warranty" adjustments... rear shoes still sticking)
- new rear cylinders
- resurfaced outa-round drums
- warranty replaced the outa-round shoes
Cost: $126.00
result: rear shoes still sticking... pedal goes to floor under hard braking.
----------------------------
1/05/2001 - Involved in minor accident (slowly rear-ended F-350 as I rolled 15mph to a stop... w/brake pedal at floor)
- hurt me more than than her
- F-350 trailer hitch pushed everything back and broke the grill
- damaged ego
- deductable $100
- insurance paid $531.00
Cost: $700 ($100 + $300 ins. increase for three years)
result: brakes still don't work.... perfect driving record destroyed.
----------------------------
1/11/2001 - 122K miles (took the damn thing back to the tire company)
- discussed the poor brakes
- explained I wasn't leaving until we reached agreement
- I pay for new parts they supply labor except for master C
- replaced all rear components with Mopar OEM
- replaced front calipers with Mopar OEM
- replaced front pads with Raybestos PG Plus
- replaced front rotors with Raybestos PG Plus
- replaced master cylinder with Mopar OEM
Cost: $2,016
result: brakes still don't work.... rear shoes sticking... clunking... pedal goes to floor
----------------------------
4/26/2001 - 125K miles (took it to dealer for full inspection: said this is the way XJ's stop)
- told them it wasn't this way when it was new
- also told them to replace the brake booster
Cost: $493
result: brakes still don't work... don't want to spend anymore money... demoralized
----------------------------
4/30/2003 - 148K miles (it's 26K miles later.... front pads getting thin.... want to keep the Jeep... so I bought a new combo valve.... $160 bucks)
- took it to "five-star" dealer for installation
- replace valve, adjust rear shoes, bleed lines, "I" will test drive
Result: best brakes I've had in 3-years... almost got 'em to lock
DEALER NOW INSTALLING THE FOLLOWING PARTS:
- new Mopar front pads
- new Mopar front rotors
- new Mopar rear shoes
- new Mopar rear drums
- new Mopar rear cylinders
- new Mopar hardware kit
- after "I" test drive....
- new Stainless-Steel flex lines
Cost: TBD
final results: "I" will provide an update
Bob H.
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