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Old August 22nd, 2017, 10:43
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Re: Front Axle Options

to op your overthinking this a bit every complaint you have is normal for a 20-something year old vehicle and if you have any competence with tools you can bang it out it in a weekend like vahasnowaves said and if your looking at regearing you gotta do the back axle too and a regear requires a bit of coin and you have already stated your budget is small
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Old August 22nd, 2017, 10:54
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The only benefit to getting a jy axle is that you can take your time and rebuild it as your budget and time allows then swap it in.
We have all had projects take longer than expected and only you know whats acceptable for how long your jeep can potentially be laid up
XJ, MJ, TJ, and ZJ will interchange. ZJ's are low pinion
This is what I was looking for, THANK YOU! Makes finding one that much easier. The Bleepin Jeep guys said 95 is when they changed the axle U-joints, so that'll help too.
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Old August 22nd, 2017, 10:59
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to op your overthinking this a bit every complaint you have is normal for a 20-something year old vehicle and if you have any competence with tools you can bang it out it in a weekend like vahasnowaves said and if your looking at regearing you gotta do the back axle too and a regear requires a bit of coin and you have already stated your budget is small
Not overthinking it, just curious what you guys feel is the right avenue to take. I figure this might be a good time to upgrade to a different axle all together but now that I've read all of this, sounds like the D30 is just fine, even if I decide to go with larger tires in the future. I'm not complaining, I'd just like to drive it down the road and maybe even the high way to go to meets, shows, what have you and not have it be rattling my teeth out, I'm in no way upset, I completely understand the age and I live in MI, so the salt is very harsh. I'm sure I could rebuild the one that's there in a weekend, not an issue at all. Budget is small now but with time I'm sure it'll be a good project to build and have ready for next summer.

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Old August 22nd, 2017, 12:13
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This is what I was looking for, THANK YOU! Makes finding one that much easier. The Bleepin Jeep guys said 95 is when they changed the axle U-joints, so that'll help too.
TJ and ZJ at low pinion. given the age of the MJ, youll want to steer away from that axle even if you find one. and you now know what year XJ axle you are looking for. so... your still looking for an XJ axle.

"finding one is much easier now."

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Not overthinking it, just curious what you guys feel is the right avenue to take. I figure this might be a good time to upgrade to a different axle all together but now that I've read all of this, sounds like the D30 is just fine, even if I decide to go with larger tires in the future. I'm not complaining, I'd just like to drive it down the road and maybe even the high way to go to meets, shows, what have you and not have it be rattling my teeth out, I'm in no way upset, I completely understand the age and I live in MI, so the salt is very harsh. I'm sure I could rebuild the one that's there in a weekend, not an issue at all. Budget is small now but with time I'm sure it'll be a good project to build and have ready for next summer.

Thanks guys!
i think where our confusion lies is that it sounds like you have both wants, and needs.

if you need to keep the vehicle on the road... perform the required maintenance on the axle you have to keep it road worthy. if you want to build an axle, and are looking down the road, thats fine. if that is the case, then rebuilding an axle on the bench may be a good stroke of business, so you can work on it as time and budget allows (someone stated this). keep in mind that just because you put good parts on your current axle to keep your vehicle running doesnt mean you cant use them when the time comes to install a more built axle down the road.
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Old August 22nd, 2017, 12:14
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tj is low pinion as well
Did not know that.
I guess i need to keep a hp d30 around if i decide to build a tj
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Old August 22nd, 2017, 13:12
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TJ and ZJ at low pinion. given the age of the MJ, youll want to steer away from that axle even if you find one. and you now know what year XJ axle you are looking for. so... your still looking for an XJ axle.

"finding one is much easier now."

Damn! Thought I was in luck lol

i think where our confusion lies is that it sounds like you have both wants, and needs.

if you need to keep the vehicle on the road... perform the required maintenance on the axle you have to keep it road worthy. if you want to build an axle, and are looking down the road, thats fine. if that is the case, then rebuilding an axle on the bench may be a good stroke of business, so you can work on it as time and budget allows (someone stated this). keep in mind that just because you put good parts on your current axle to keep your vehicle running doesnt mean you cant use them when the time comes to install a more built axle down the road.
This is true, good point. It is a struggle between wants and needs, I think we'd all love to have built rigs but that's why it's a project, at least in my case. I'll just find the parts I need to freshen it up. Think I'm going to pull the driveshaft and see what that changes road manner wise, would atleast help me key in on what the issues are maybe.... Thanks again man!
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Old August 22nd, 2017, 20:28
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I just bought a "parts" XJ this weekend for the 97 HP Dana 30 among a few other things I need/want

Sounds like you're plan is almost the same as mine -- I'm working on a 2000 so it's the low pinion 30 stock -- I want to drive it now then swap in the built axle when I lift it -- winter project

Only difference is I want to go 4.56 for 33" tires and also install an ARB air locker

The parts XJ was cheap enough that I should be able to make my money back selling parts and then scrapping the leftover shell -- would really be awesome if I could make enough off of the parts jeep to build the axle but thats a far cry from reality


Keep an eye on your local craigslist for parts trucks -- I'm in NJ -- junkyards are generally high priced greedy bastards around here
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Old August 24th, 2017, 11:03
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Rookie question alert: When one is removing the front D30, do you have to compress the coils? Found a guy parting out a 96 and it's essentially free, if I can get it off but I want to be prepared tools wise and I don't have a spring compressor.
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Old August 24th, 2017, 11:18
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nope. Pull the wheels off, disconnect the shocks, unbolt the hold down tab on the coil, let the axle drop and the coils will come right out.
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Old August 24th, 2017, 14:50
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nope. Pull the wheels off, disconnect the shocks, unbolt the hold down tab on the coil, let the axle drop and the coils will come right out.
Ok sounds promising, thanks man! My pinion bearings seem to be shot and the back lash on the yoke is very loose, I can wiggle the yoke about a 1/8"-1/4" if I grab it and pull side to side and it turns a fair amount when I twist it, so I'm gonna call that cooked. Correct me if I'm wrong guys!
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nope. Pull the wheels off, disconnect the shocks, unbolt the hold down tab on the coil, let the axle drop and the coils will come right out.
Not true, at least on a stock XJ.

I just replaced springs on a stock '00 a couple of months ago, and there's no way you will get the spring out without a compressor by just disconnecting the shocks and spring tab. You will need to drop the LCAs if you don't want to use a compressor. it will help to have a buddy available to stand on the hub while suspended so you don't have the compress the spring so far.


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https://youtu.be/zKxw5ZMAlts

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Old August 25th, 2017, 08:28
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Re: Front Axle Options

You do not need spring compressors to remove the coil springs. All you need to do is raise the body and put it on jack stands. Remove the wheels, brakes and disconnect the track bar,steering linkage and shocks. The axle will then be sitting on the ground and it's easy to use a long pry bar to pop the springs out of the spring cups.
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Old August 25th, 2017, 08:34
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Agreed. If you drop the shocks, track bar and steering linkage that is true. But let's not give the guy the false impression that just disconnecting the shocks will get the job done without a compressor.
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Old August 25th, 2017, 08:35
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Not true, at least on a stock XJ.

I just replaced springs on a stock '00 a couple of months ago, and there's no way you will get the spring out without a compressor by just disconnecting the shocks and spring tab. You will need to drop the LCAs if you don't want to use a compressor. it will help to have a buddy available to stand on the hub while suspended so you don't have the compress the spring so far.


See here for details:
https://youtu.be/zKxw5ZMAlts
Odd, mine slipped right out but I may have already pulled out my UCA's before. So if you want to make it easier, remove two more bolts to disconnect the UCA's from the axle or body.
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Thanks guys, I found one closer than the 96 that's already pulled. I'm going to check it out today after work. Anything I should look for on a used on? They offered to pull the cover for me, so that'll be nice to inspect it before buying it.
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