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4.0 died/no start

99XJeeper

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99 xj 4.0 aw4 223,000 miles
I had the cruise control set at 65 on my way home from Rausch creek a couple weekends ago when i heard several loud bangs and saw a cloud of smoke out the back. I coasted to the side of the road where i came to a stop and it shut off on me. Now it has a very strong crank but will not turn over. All fluids were clean and full. Any suggestions on where to start? im thinking pull the valve cover and check for valvetrain damage and also pull the distributor and check the gear for unusual wear.
 
You say very strong crank, stronger than normal? That would scare me. Before taking alot of things apart I'd throw a compression gauge on it.
 
Assuming that the loud noise were backfires and not engine/trans/t-case/driveshaft damage, the CPS is the first thing to suspect.

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The most likely cause of it cranks and cranks but won't start up is the Crankshaft Position Sensor (CPS) located on the transmission bell housing. Often this part is also referred to as the CranKshaft Position Sensor (CKP) CPS/CKP failure is very common. The CPS/CKP can stop working with no warning or symptoms and the engine will not run or the engine may randomly stall for no apparent reason.

Crank Position Sensors can have intermittent “thermal failure”. This means that the CPS/CKP fails when engine gets hot, but works again when it cools back down.


Symptoms –
- Starter cranks and cranks but engine won't start up
- Fuel gauge and voltage gauges may not work or display properly.
- You sometimes will have No Bus on the odometer after 30-60 seconds.
- A failed CPS/CKP may or may not throw a CEL trouble code.
- No spark at the spark plugs.
- Fuel pump will run and prime for 3-5 seconds.

If the CPS/CKP is failed sometimes the OBDII code reader cannot make a connection to the computer or cannot read Check Engine Light/MIL codes because the CPS/CKP has failed.


Diagnostic steps to confirm the CPS is the cause of your no-start


You should be able to verify a bad cps, by unplugging it, and turning the ignition key to on. If the voltage gauge and/or the fuel gauge now displays correctly, replace the CPS.

Unplugging and reconnecting the CPS sensor where it connect to the main harness near the back of the intake manifold usually resets the ECU and if the jeep fires right up after doing this you can bet that the CPS is the culprit and needs to be replaced.

Exchange the fuel pump relay and the ASD relay with one of the other similar ones in the PDC to eliminate the relays as the cause of the no-start Confirm that the fuel pump to runs for 3-5 seconds when you turn the ignition key to ON.

Eliminate the NSS as a cause of no start. Wiggle the shift lever at the same time you try to start. Put the transmission in Neutral and do the same. Do the reverse lights come on when the shifter is in Reverse?

Inspect the wires and wire connectors at the O2 sensors on the exhausts pipe. A short circuit from melted insulation or from broken O2 sensor wires can blow a fuse and the ECU/ECM will loose communication.

Begin with basic trouble shooting of the start and charge systems. Remove, clean, and firmly reconnect all the wires and cables to the battery, starter, and alternator. Look for corroded or damaged cables and replace as needed. Do the same for the grounding wires from the battery and engine to the Cherokee's frame/body. Jeeps do not tolerate low voltage or poor grounds and the ECM/ECU will behave oddly until you remedy this.

CPS Testing


Crankshaft Position Sensor Connector (CPS/CKP)


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TESTING PROCEDURE 1991 – 2001 4.0L H.O. engines
1. Near the rear of intake manifold, disconnect sensor pigtail harness connector from main wiring harness.
2. Place an ohmmeter across terminals B and C (See Image). Ohmmeter should be set to 1K-to-1OK scale for this test.
3. The meter reading should be open (infinite resistance). Replace sensor if a low resistance is indicated.

TESTING PROCECURE for 1987 – 1990 4.0 L engines

Test # 1 - Get a volt/ohm meter and set it to read 0 - 500 ohms. Unplug the CPS and measure across the CPS connector's A & B leads. Your meter should show a CPS resistance of between 125 - 275 ohms. If the CPS is out of that range by much, replace it.

Test # 2 - You'll need a helper for this one. Set the volt/ohm meter to read 0 - 5 AC volts or the closest AC Volts scale your meter has to this range. Measure across the CPS leads for voltage generated as your helper cranks the engine. (The engine can't fire up without the CPS connected but watch for moving parts just the same!) The meter should show .5 - .8 VAC when cranking. (That's between 1/2 and 1 volt AC.) If it's below .5vac, replace it.

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The loud bangs and the cloud of smoke are the symptoms to pay attention to. A failing crank sensor would not result in that symptom.

Check compression. Check for spark and put a fuel gauge on it to check for fuel pressure.
 
thanks for all the help. I was leaning more towards a mechanical failure due to the loud noises and smoke. I cant see a failed sensor causing either of those symptoms. I have fuel but no spark so i pulled the dizzy and the gears look good no signs of damage at all. Im sort of stumped now because im not sure what kind of mechanical failure would pull spark.
 
Sounds like a timing chain to me. If the the crank can't turn the cam, the cam won't turn the distributor, and it won't distribute the spark.
 
Unless it jumped.

I'd say that sounds quite plausible especially at 220k.

You may want to do a leak down test as well, that will let you know indefinitely with out a complete tear down.

But on second thought that would not explain the lack of spark.
 
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ok i checked compression on all cylinders and all were about even over 120. They all held for 5 minutes with no drop. I tried disconnecting the CPS with no luck. It still sounds as if it has a stronger than usual crank though.
 
cps passed all tests. Any other common things i should try or just look up no start diagnostic on AllData and start from there? Thanks for all the help.
 
Check /replace cam position sensor in distributor it is only about £30 here in the uk, It will give same symptoms as crank sensor when it goes but is a third of the price .Hope this helps
 
Dont know really ,but cam sensor determines spark timing,if crank sensor is ok tach could be reading off it, and cam sensor could be culprit,when my jeep wouldnt fire up (no spark)everone said crank sensor changed it £110 still the same ,changed cam sensor in distributor £30 ish jeep fired up instantly , wish i had done cam sensor first!
 
cps passed all tests.

What tests did you do? -B

Whhoops, nevermind. I'd still buy a new CPS and try it, you're going to need one anyway someday. lol
Reason i say this is the CPS is tempermental. It'll work fine one minute and not the next. 2 have gone on my 96 and it's due to where the wires enter the connector, they crack and short. -B
 
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