Eviromentalist Off-Road mindset

[boise49ers]

If any one can give me good links to the Mindset of the Enviromentalist torward off-roading I'd appreciate it. Skip the Seirra Club. I have did that research. I am on a 4x4 Coalition for trying to work with these groups so we can see where they stand and if there is actually away to co-exsist. Fat chance I know.
Please only respond with helpful information and not rants towards our treehugging PITA.:rolleyes:
Thanks

[GSequoia]

Misinformation.

They think that we all go out there and tear stuff up. I've had conversations with many an envirotype and in the end just about all of them have agreed with me that we're not all bad people and if we could educate the ones who do go out there and tear it up most of them would realize the error of their ways.

[boise49ers]

Yeah we have even taken a few out on Rock Trails to show them how low inmpact we really are, but I'm just trying to get info together on how they as organizations feel. Articles, Rants, and the type of things I can copy and paste into word for study and sharing purposes.
Thanks !

[XJRunner]

My neighboor is a tree hugger,we went 'froadin on a trail called the Otay truck trail(basically a dirt road with one rocky hill) and i told her and she's like"Really? I had one of my employees on that same trail planting plants that got destroyed by jeeps. If they wouldn't drive up there then there wouldn't be a problem"

[LilRhodyXJ]

I kno its not an Environmentalist group but it seems like what ur kinda in to....
heres an association near me thats trying to get stuff settled

http://www.riohva.org/

[CRASH]

Check this link to links: It's a who's who of anti-access folks:

http://www.orvwatch.com/pages/links.html

[Lincoln]

If you want to learn how to get butt humped by the enviro freaks go back to your "I'll bend over for you because it feels great" coalition.

http://www.idahostate4x4association.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=14

[RichP]

Keep in mind that these 'Environmentalists' have turned their issues into an industry, they employ alot of lawyers, and I mean a lot and many of the organizations executives are paid big bucks. Back in the 70's Cleveland Amory was making 4 or 7 mil a year as head of fund for animals.. so while there are many who believe in the cause they also get indoctrinated with the groups line so you have to deal with their propaganda and most of those people swallow it hook line and sinker. Another case of follow the money.

[boise49ers]

If you want to learn how to get butt humped by the enviro freaks go back to your "I'll bend over for you because it feels great" coalition.

http://www.idahostate4x4association.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=14

Yeah it ain't looking good for the Coalition is it ? Trust me the only one in the Coalition who thinks the OI is Ok is Bill and he is the chair. He makes good arguements about it though. Let me ask you question I asked Eric from Mt. Home. If we don't at least align with these yahoos and they go for another land grab who do you think will win when they basically have unlimited resourses
(money) ( lawyers) (lobbist). Of course in the long run if they want it bad enough they will get it whether we are involved or not.
So you think getting involved with the Coalition of any of that is a total waste of time or bad representation for the 4 wheeler community ? I'm just trying to get involved instead of ranting about it and not doing anything about it. Another question, what can I do that would be more productive ?
These are seroius questions too. I have went to there open houses we have talked to Senators and Congressman and they are going to push to have parts rewritten again.Their biggest problem is the Ranchers winning the lotto in this thing.
I just don't get where the anger from everyone comes from when guys volunteer their time to try and help.
I'm not sure I agree with Bill Taylors stance on it either. Tonight should be interesting because the firestorm on the forums after they made their vote.
They really did need to involve more people. They have 4 voting member and 3 of them are Idaho4x4 members who may have basically played follow the leader.
Tell me your stance Lincoln. I'll let it be heard too.

update
I read your post. Good stuff ! I really like the getting into bed with them part. Everyone makes sence with their veiws. It sounds like a done deal and we will have to wait and see.

[Lincoln]

Everyone keeps talking about a compromise. I don't see where any compromise was made besides this coalition supporting land closures to befriend the people wanting to close them. In my mind you actually have to argue a point to compromise and no one was there in time to argue. This looks like a complete "it's okay by me" statement from Mr. Taylor. I don't cosider 550,000 or so acres a compromise and I don't think looking at a map when you've never been there or probably never will be tells you whether the road left open is sufficient.

I played the politic route on the last closure out there. Went to meetings made phone calls called everyone I knew and had them write letters. Then with little effor our then soon to be govenor (still in the senate) got the land turned over to the Air Force for an expanded bombing range. All of the work, was shoved right out the door. It's nice that he is the secretary of the interior now and thinking about his so called home http://www.doi.gov/news/06_News_Releases/060601.htm .

This whole thing has had me suspicious.

Who's money is in this one that the our politicians are working so hard to make sure this happens?

Are they going to stop bombing along the Jarbidge fork? Although I was stopped this spring by a service man and informed that "There is no bombing going on out here". That was as you could here and feel the rumble from over the hill.

Who has their hand in Mr. Taylor's pocket? That is the only way I could seen anyone working on forming a coalition and volunteering to help head up that coalition just to say "no problem we want to be friends". He can be pretty persuasive and I bet that is why the other members of his club voted with him regardless if they felt the same way.

The ranchers have been screwed a couple of times over the years by teaming up with the environmentalists. Then cried over getting screwed by them after the rest of the fighters were gone. I understand that they are too stupid to learn from that but I'm affraid the colition is headed down the same path. The sad part is they are supposedly the voice for the off road group.

Then to add even more insult Mr. Taylor drafts a letter to anounce how everyone is in favor of the initiative and sends it to our good old coservative republican that is pushing for the closure.

Like I said on their board, just because they didn't care doesn't mean that had to be in favor of it. They think teaming up will get them in on all of the issues. If the issues are something they care about I can pretty well guarantee that the phone won't be ringing.

I'm glad I forgot to send my dues in and will never support the Idaho State 4x4 Association or the Owyhee coalition. Everyone like to talk about how they volunteered for the job, I would have just assumed they stayed home.

I know I missed the meeting but I would have just been pissed, loud, obnoxious and very non productive. I may have even tried to pick a fight. If I can cool my temper a bit I may go post some more on the issue but for now I'm done. They have their direction and I know no matter what they won't change just to save face in front of their new found friends.

[boise49ers]

Lincoln that isn't going to close anything that was ever ours in the first place. All that land is WSA land. All of it. It has been since the 70s. Legally we aren't suppose to be there in the first place. With the OI it actually will make it legal on almost everything we have been accessing for the most part. All the access roads and river crossings stay open. There are areas that are already locked down from the WSA that will continue to be, but it'll open up over 300k other arces. A WSA is a Wilderness study Area. They just haven't enforced it. So everything about not giving them Land is BS. It is already theirs. Do you know how much arcerage is involved in the racher buy out so far ? 2700 acres. They are getting about 8000 per acre, not the astronomical amount every thinks. The main reason they are selling is litigation has bankrupted them. You really should come to the next meeting that will be open to the public and the people who come up with the OI will be there to answer all questions. This is the first break down I have seen tonight and we aren't locked out the area at all. Let me know if you are interested. It'll get posted, but educate yourself and others is what needs to be done. These yahoos like the hillbillys and his other half will not allow themselves to try and understand the whole thing, they just feel it is a land grab. Well when you already have the land who needs to grab it.
Cyuh !
Oh yeah and the way things are voted on all the important stuff will go before everyone from all the Association clubs. No more just a few guys voting for this. By the way Bill was only a small part of that vote. There were a couple others from eastern Idaho, then some other local clubs who voted yeh too. I really hope you will come out next month.
Open your Mind Grasshopper :laugh3: