Fishboy's Weight Weenie Thread

[cracker]

I am working on a Spidertrax 60/9" to replace the 44 on the front of my junk.
http://beta.propichosting.com/FileHandler.ashx?pa=450017459&sub=7&timecode=632960883615312500&checkref=1

Got most of the parts to build the 60/9" I am working on.

This is what I have so far in my posession but I still have more parts to come.
http://beta.propichosting.com/FileHandler.ashx?pa=450017459&sub=22&timecode=632960886490156250&checkref=1

I will be sending back the Tera Drive Flanges as I had ordered Warns and got these instead. My shafts are Alloy USA 35spline inner and outers. My center section is a True Hi 9 due to arrive tomorrow.

Paul has been hounding me to post weights of my parts. I finally had time to (waste) to do this for him.

[cracker]

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[cracker]

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[cracker]

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Here are the totals in pounds.

Enjoy Paul :wave:

[JeepFreak21]

How much do you have into it at this point?
Billy

[cracker]

How much do you have into it at this point?
Billy

Don't know...............don't really care.

[David Taylor]

Wow that's 20 pounds extra per side at least! That extra will keep you at the bottom of the Falls and on the strap. :smootch:

[Paul S]

BTT for the best thread ever in the history of threads.

Fish

[cracker]

Wow that's 20 pounds extra per side at least! That extra will keep you at the bottom of the Falls and on the strap. :smootch:

I'll take 40 pounds all day long as long as I don't have to deal with weak ass ball joints ;)

[David Taylor]

I'll take 40 pounds all day long as long as I don't have to deal with weak ass ball joints ;)

they are only weak if your junk is a pig. Fix that and you will find you don't need the king pins.

[cracker]

FWIW

I carry as spares for my front 44:


Spare pair of complete spicer shafts assemblies for both sides(inner shaft, u-joint, outer shaft)
Spare hub assembly
Spare inner and outer hub bearings
4 Spare Warn premium hubs
2 drive flanges
spare CTM
Spare 760-5
Spare Spindle with nut
Tie Rod
spare TRE
2 spare Warn alloy stubs
With my current front 44 weighing in at apporx 330 lbs, all these spare must take my 'axle weight' over 500#. The Dana 60 will be lighter than my current axle with all my spare parts. :illegalflipoffsmilie:

[CRASH]

I say embrace the pork.

If you know you are fat, accept that you are fat, and don't mind being fat, then you certainly don't mind carrying an extra case of BudLight on trail runs.

Then, when your stuck at the bottom of the falls, at least you won't be thirsty.

[cracker]

they are only weak if your junk is a pig. Fix that and you will find you don't need the king pins.

So your junk has been fixed?

After calling half of the industry, general consensus was ball joints are lastara when you have the option of kingpins.

Let us look at the Comp buggies which weigh 1000# lighter than your junk. They use ball joints and have to change them EVERY competition. Then they add 200# of water to add weight to their front ends. I'll take the 40# all day long.

I think I have to call it, Dave your full of shit :D

[luvrox]

I'll take 40 pounds all day long as long as I don't have to deal with weak ass ball joints ;)

No one in their rite mind uses ball joints anymore in a high end rig do they? :moon:

[cracker]

No one in their rite mind uses ball joints anymore high end rig do they? :moon:

Birf expert Garry,

It seems as if Paul and Dave are really proud to build axles from scratch with ball joints.

Atleast Goat and Matt 'fell' onto their front axles (which had ball joints and they didn't have a choice).

When building an axle, no one with any common sense 'wants' ball joints when they have the option to avoid them.

[Beej]

I don't see the diff juice listed there. What's that gonna weigh? Another 80 lbs or so?

:dunno:

[David Taylor]

Pete,

It seems as if Paul and Dave are really proud to build axles from scratch with ball joints.

Atleast Goat and Matt 'fell' onto their front axles (which had ball joints and they didn't have a choice).

When building an axle, no one with any common sense 'wants' ball joints when they have the option to avoid them.

I guess you havn't talked to Ron. Looks like he will be on the ball joint band wagon as well.

[Jes]

Pete,

It seems as if Paul and Dave are really proud to build axles from scratch with ball joints.

Atleast Goat and Matt 'fell' onto their front axles (which had ball joints and they didn't have a choice).

When building an axle, no one with any common sense 'wants' ball joints when they have the option to avoid them.

His name ain't Pete.

[Captain Ron]

His name ain't Pete.

He's taller too.

:D

--ron

[luvrox]

His name ain't Pete.

Shhhhhh.

[Paul S]

Pete,

It seems as if Paul and Dave are really proud to build axles from scratch with ball joints.

Atleast Goat and Matt 'fell' onto their front axles (which had ball joints and they didn't have a choice).

When building an axle, no one with any common sense 'wants' ball joints when they have the option to avoid them.

Actually, it's all about unit bearings, ball joints are simply a side product.
I can't imagine spending as much money as we're spending a getting stuck with heavy ass 1970's era junk.

Between your weight & your rock-anchor hubs, you're in for some misery in JVHasta

P

[cracker]

I guess you havn't talked to Ron. Looks like he will be on the ball joint band wagon as well.

Should it really matter to me what Ron does? A couple of weeks ago he wanted the Spidertrax set up. He is still doing his research (I am assuming) and he can make his own educated decision to build it to fit his needs.

Let me start with all the people I spoke to (and they concurred) about how wrong ball joints are (compared to the superior king pins):


Mike Monohan (parts mike)
Chris at True hi9
Tom at Spidertrax
Jack at CTM
(unnamed sales person) at Currie
Birf expert Garry
and many others.........

General consensus said that ball joints were lastara and don't hold up well.

I am even happier now that it is only 40# because the benefits as I see it are that I can pull a drive flange if something goes ary (as opposed to unit bearings), if I break a shaft, I won't take out a ball joint (oh, I don't have them), according to half of the gents above hubs are stronger (over unit bearings).

[cracker]

Shhhhhh.

Shit I thought it was Lugie

Dammit Garry!

[Paul S]

So your junk has been fixed?

After calling half of the industry, general consensus was ball joints are lastara when you have the option of kingpins.

Let us look at the Comp buggies which weigh 1000# lighter than your junk. They use ball joints and have to change them EVERY competition. Then they add 200# of water to add weight to their front ends. I'll take the 40# all day long.

I think I have to call it, Dave your full of shit :D

You're missing the point Avery. 9 out of 10 comp guys run ball joints so they can run unit bearings, which saves 40 + lbs, eliminates the wheel hubs & drastically reduces scrub radius. It's about performance.

P

[cracker]

You're missing the point Avery. 9 out of 10 comp guys run ball joints so they can run unit bearings, which saves 40 + lbs, eliminates the wheel hubs & drastically reduces scrub radius. It's about performance.

P

Explain the water then.

I heard unit bearings wern't very balanced?

[Paul S]

Explain the water then.

I heard unit bearings wern't very balanced?

Centrifugal weight:moon:

You cannot get more balanced than unit bearings with CTM 300M axles, unbreakable at any speed.

P

[Mr.OverKill]

in just to watch and learn:lecture: on page 2

[Captain Ron]

...
Between your weight ...
...

We're in the process of arranging weight reduction surgery here before November. I'm talking all the way, but we'll see.

Avery wants to keep the windshield. I say there may be a minor *mishap* that makes it a moot point. :D

--ron

[David Taylor]

We're in the process of arranging weight reduction surgery here before November. I'm talking all the way, but we'll see.

Avery wants to keep the windshield. I say there may be a minor *mishap* that makes it a moot point. :D

--ron

All we need to do is put him behind Paul next time. He knows how to "take care" of windshields.

[Matt S.]

hey Pete... oh i mean Gary, what axle you doing?

BTW chrachka, I won't tell you its a bad idea if you have king pins. I will tell you that you wasted your money and should just let me take it off your hands. :scottm:

[Mr.OverKill]

We're in the process of arranging weight reduction surgery here before November. I'm talking all the way, but we'll see.

Avery wants to keep the windshield. I say there may be a minor *mishap* that makes it a moot point. :D

--roncan i help??:twak: !!!1 :explosion :twak:!!!1:explosion do you notice a trend yet, HINT HINT.......:D

[cracker]

As for the axles, bring it. :evil:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=264949&d=1159231608


Here is a comp buggy that doesn't fawk around. He had king pins and it seems as if that 40# is really holding him back ;) Maybe I made the wrong decision :shocked: Nah! :D

[cracker]

I knew the windshield would come up! :laugh2:

[Mr.OverKill]

from what i have learned since i have the heavyest XJ ever, i think king pins with drive flanges and CTM 300M's sounds about right on a D60 out of a F350 ( to save money for my cheap ass ) the 609 center section is too much for me but i can do the rest with careful planing.( and about a year or two to save and build ) and a corp 14bolt in the rear


but hell, i could be wrong:dunno:

[Paul S]

Here is a comp buggy that doesn't fawk around. He had king pins and it seems as if that 40# is really holding him back ;) Maybe I made the wrong decision :shocked: Nah! :D

Perfect example, he didn't make it. Even with a heavy right foot he couldn't push the excess weight up the hill.

The unit bearing guys crawled it:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/albums/album34/ais.sized.jpg

[luvrox]

hey Pete... oh i mean Gary, what axle you doing?

BTW chrachka, I won't tell you its a bad idea if you have king pins. I will tell you that you wasted your money and should just let me take it off your hands. :scottm:


Diamond housings with kingpins, 300m shafts and some very high tech 300m cv joints. :rolleyes:

Pete

[cracker]

some very high tech 300m cv joints.

:rolleyes:

[Goatman]

It's a moot point, whatever parts Cracker decides to run. He still can't drive.......... :looser:


:moon:






:D

[Captain Ron]

...
very high tech 300m cv joints.
...

Hey Pete, hook me up! :D

--ron

[luvrox]

You're missing the point Avery. 9 out of 10 comp guys run ball joints.

P

Damn it Paul, did you use some sort of Democratic / enviro formula to come up with those numbers? :laugh:

[luvrox]

Hey Pete, hook me up! :D

--ron


Glad to help Ron! :D
All this for only $5.00 or more if ya want at - - - http://www.tinbenders.org/raffle.php

Pete

Ps - - All the $ from this will go to save Surprise Canyon. This federal court case will be the first win for our side in a long long time.
http://lttlbddy.com/albums/Misc/ORExpo/IMG_0082-sm.JPG

[cracker]

It's a moot point, whatever parts Cracker decides to run. He still can't drive.......... :looser:


:moon:






:D

It's amazing how much beter I am doing now that Garry (aka Pete) has been tutoring me. :D

[luvrox]

:D Perfect example, he didn't make it. Even with a heavy right foot he couldn't push the excess weight up the hill.

The unit bearing guys crawled it:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/albums/album34/ais.sized.jpg

Ah hugh, another example of the misery of ball joints demonstrated right here. Your photos will forever turn to a red X inside a box. :D

[cracker]

:D

Ah hugh, another example of the misery of ball joints demonstrated right here. Your photos will forever turn to a red X inside a box. :D

SNAP! :explosion

[Mike L]

:D

Ah hugh, another example of the misery of ball joints demonstrated right here. Your photos will forever turn to a red X inside a box. :D

worked fine for me. :scared:

-Mike

[Lincoln]

What I want to know is what the weight of the aluminum currie knuckles are compared to the Dodge bearing Paul and Dave are running.

Let's here it Paul. I know you were down there with the scale.

[Paul S]

What I want to know is what the weight of the aluminum currie knuckles are compared to the Dodge bearing Paul and Dave are running.

Let's here it Paul. I know you were down there with the scale.

You seem to be asking about 2 things here, the Currie knuckle & the Dodge bearing.
The Currie knuckle is lighter, but they didn't offer up a scale when I was there (I asked), so I don't know how much. At any rate, I didn't like the looks of the Currie hi-steer arm, + their junk was rediculously priced & they told me that it would only work with 450 unit bearings, which I didn't want to run (I have since found that the Dodge unit bearings have the same 4 bolt patern & would have worked).

Paul

[Lincoln]

You seem to be asking about 2 things here, the Currie knuckle & the Dodge bearing.
The Currie knuckle is lighter, but they didn't offer up a scale when I was there (I asked), so I don't know how much. At any rate, I didn't like the looks of the Currie hi-steer arm, + their junk was rediculously priced & they told me that it would only work with 450 unit bearings, which I didn't want to run (I have since found that the Dodge unit bearings have the same 4 bolt patern & would have worked).

Paul

Well I meant the aluminum Ford stuff currie sells compared to a Dodge knuckle and bearing but you pretty well answered that. I haven't gotten convinced that high steer setup is ticket either.

Crying baby, must go. :D

[Capt. Nemo]

FWIW

I carry as spares for my front 44:


Spare pair of complete spicer shafts assemblies for both sides(inner shaft, u-joint, outer shaft)
Spare hub assembly
Spare inner and outer hub bearings
4 Spare Warn premium hubs
2 drive flanges
spare CTM
Spare 760-5
Spare Spindle with nut
Tie Rod
spare TRE
2 spare Warn alloy stubs
With my current front 44 weighing in at apporx 330 lbs, all these spare must take my 'axle weight' over 500#. The Dana 60 will be lighter than my current axle with all my spare parts. :illegalflipoffsmilie:

What were you breaking on the D44 and what are your goals with the new front end???

[cracker]

What were you breaking on the D44 and what are your goals with the new front end???

Stubs and Hubs

My goal with the new front end is to NEVER have to touch my front axle again nor carry any spare parts ;)

[luvrox]

Well Cracker the jigs up, Sue said that if I didn't fess up there was somthing bout hoping my right hand was in good shape.:wow: Well trust me the truth of it goes somthing like, months ago your buddies Paul, Richard, Matt, Ron and Dave made a bet that I couldn't lead you down the garden path on the king pin v ball joint issue. Sorry bout that but hey, a win is still a win. :firedevil
Pete

[Lincoln]

Well Cracker the jigs up, Sue said that if I didn't fess up there was somthing bout hoping my right hand was in good shape.:wow: Well trust me the truth of it goes somthing like, months ago your buddies Paul, Richard, Matt, Ron and Dave made a bet that I couldn't lead you down the garden path on the king pin v ball joint issue. Sorry bout that but hey, a win is still a win. :firedevil
Pete

You're an ass, but that's funny whether it's true or not. I bet Cracker is looking for reciepts right now. :D

[GSequoia]

Doesn't really matter in the end...

The Cracker likes to swap axles as often as possible.

[Lincoln]

Should we start taking bets on if he will get it put together before wanting to change it?

I bet he's already got the 1610 (he really should) rolling around in his head.

[David Taylor]

Well Cracker the jigs up, Sue said that if I didn't fess up there was somthing bout hoping my right hand was in good shape.:wow: Well trust me the truth of it goes somthing like, months ago your buddies Paul, Richard, Matt, Ron and Dave made a bet that I couldn't lead you down the garden path on the king pin v ball joint issue. Sorry bout that but hey, a win is still a win. :firedevil
Pete

The checks in the mail. You win.

[Goatman]

I like the long list of people Cracker used to justify spending more money and having more weight..........the rest of us just made a decision on our own based on what our own priorities were. :looser:

Imagine that a 7000 lb truck runs for 150,000 plus miles on those ball joints, but a 3500 lb rock rig is going to wear them out in a couple of runs, or break them all together.

RIGHT!!!




:D

[luvrox]

You're an ass. :D

[luvrox]

You're an ass :D

Oh crap, thats the first time I have ever heard anything like that. Ah huhh. :D

Pete

[cracker]

Well Cracker the jigs up, Sue said that if I didn't fess up there was somthing bout hoping my right hand was in good shape.:wow: Well trust me the truth of it goes somthing like, months ago your buddies Paul, Richard, Matt, Ron and Dave made a bet that I couldn't lead you down the garden path on the king pin v ball joint issue. Sorry bout that but hey, a win is still a win. :firedevil
Pete

Trust me it wasn't you who lead me down that path. I asked around. In general, I have trouble taking advise from someone going to front and rear leafs and birfs. :D

[cracker]

Imagine that a 7000 lb truck runs for 150,000 plus miles on those ball joints, but a 3500 lb rock rig is going to wear them out in a couple of runs, or break them all together.

Still doesn't explain why comp 2500# buggies change their ball joints so often :lecture:

[cracker]

Should we start taking bets on if he will get it put together before wanting to change it?

I bet he's already got the 1610 (he really should) rolling around in his head.

Blow me. Don't you have some campaigning to do?

[cal]

Kingpins -have- to be better .. I mean, the kingpin bearings on my f100's dana 44 usually last a good 18 to 30 months before i have to replace them.

Granted, I've driven the truck 21k miles in the last 5 years .. but still. I have a balljoint front end going in to fix that.. ;)

[XJ_ranger]

Kingpins -have- to be better .. I mean, the kingpin bearings on my f100's dana 44 usually last a good 18 to 30 months before i have to replace them.

Granted, I've driven the truck 21k miles in the last 5 years .. but still. I have a balljoint front end going in to fix that.. ;)

I was hopeing you'd chime in with the weight of your axle... that'd be interesting to compare... pretty much the same $$$, compare the ultra d30 to the 609? :D

[cal]

I'll weigh it when I get it all put together. Then I'll throw the new 44 under the truck and start a hp44 for the jeep. :)

[CRASH]

Balljoints do wear out under 7,000 pound diesel 1 ton pickups, usually it takes about 100,000 miles, but if you run a really big-dumb truck, they can go in as little as 50k. Usually the unit bearings freeze up long before the BJ's go, though.

Edited because I'm a moron.

[Lincoln]

Blow me. Don't you have some campaigning to do?

Sorry, I don't have any pepper and tweezers handy.

[Mike L]

Usually the balljoints freeze up long before the BJ's go, though.

Isn't a ball joint the same thing as a BJ? :laugh2:

-Mike

[GSequoia]

Isn't a ball joint the same thing as a BJ? :laugh2:

-Mike

What happens in JV stays in JV?

[Goatman]

What happens in JV stays in JV?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Paul S]

Still doesn't explain why comp 2500# buggies change their ball joints so often :lecture:

Either that's not true, or, it says a lot about the benefits of BJ's & unit bearings. If 9 out of 10 competitors are willing to change BJ's every other Comp., they must really dislike KP's &/or spindles.

At least your KP junk will net you a slightly cheaper 609 in the end, that's something you can feel good about.
As for me, I'm tired of cutting corners, this time I'm spending the $$$ & doing it right:laugh:

P

[BIGWOODY]

I've seen broke BJ's on a 60...I've yet to see or break a KP myself.

[David Taylor]

I've seen broke BJ's on a 60...I've yet to see or break a KP myself.

Was this after a u-joint going ? Or, did the ball joint just fail on it's own.

[cracker]

Was this after a u-joint going ? Or, did the ball joint just fail on it's own.

nervous? :kissyou:

[Paul S]

I've seen broke BJ's on a 60...I've yet to see or break a KP myself.

Have you ever seen a broken BJ that wasn't caused by an inexperienced driver thinking it was ok to drive on a broken axle/ujoint?
People say the same about D30 BJ's, of which I've seen a few break, but never without driver error as the cause.
Considering how long BJ's last under D44's running 37's, & I'm sure D60 BJ's will years under 40's.
In the meantime, Avery's going to be reshimming his springless KP's every month in a futile effort to rid himslef of death wobble, after a year or so he'll give up & try running the stock KP springs (as they were designed), of course we know from countless KP complaints that this will not solve his DW problem.
It's cool Avery, you can drive out to Hwy 20 & Outer Limits with Garry, he'll be the guy maxed out at 23MPH. We'll wait at the trailhead:wave:

P

[BIGWOODY]

The joint/shaft was undamaged, the same can't be said for the air shock that was mounted to the knuckle.
This buggy was running 42 irocs , was turning in deep rocks the BJ seperated. I ripped the knuckle of my 44 and only broke the inner shaft right where it exited the axle tube. All that said, most people I wheel with are a little beyond extreme when it comes to beating on their rigs.

[cracker]

Have you ever seen a broken BJ that wasn't caused by an inexperienced driver thinking it was ok to drive on a broken axle/ujoint?
People say the same about D30 BJ's, of which I've seen a few break, but never without driver error as the cause.
Considering how long BJ's last under D44's running 37's, & I'm sure D60 BJ's will years under 40's.
In the meantime, Avery's going to be reshimming his springless KP's every month in a futile effort to rid himslef of death wobble, after a year or so he'll give up & try running the stock KP springs (as they were designed), of course we know from countless KP complaints that this will not solve his DW problem.
It's cool Avery, you can drive out to Hwy 20 & Outer Limits with Garry, he'll be the guy maxed out at 23MPH. We'll wait at the trailhead:wave:

P

With the Spedo gear currently in the Atlas, it'll look like I am going 45 :D

Garry and I will then have to race :laugh2:

[BIGWOODY]

of course we know from countless KP complaints that this will not solve his DW problem.
P
DW is soooooo 2003. I've never met a DW problem that hydro assist didn't take care of, not mention all the stress it takes off the track bar. Better yet full hydro, I can run the buggy at 70mph, on 39 krawlers with no balancing (water , bb's etc..).For the street and trail , there's no beating assist.

[Paul S]

DW is soooooo 2003. I've never met a DW problem that hydro assist didn't take care of, not mention all the stress it takes off the track bar. Better yet full hydro, I can run the buggy at 70mph, on 39 krawlers with no balancing (water , bb's etc..).

Damn, that's a good point...

P

[cracker]

TruHi9 Third Member 79.375 pounds

http://beta.propichosting.com/FileHandler.ashx?pa=450016572&sub=23&ext=JPG

(didn't want to unwrap it before I took it home)

Less shafts, u-joints and calipers, I am at 338.75 pounds.

[NXJ]

You guys are simply insane (in the brain :D), we're talking about freaking unsprung weight here!

Go and gut your interiors, or go on a diet or something.

[GSequoia]

They've alredy gutted their interiors and Fishboy lives on a diet!

[Goatman]

Hell, I don't eat for days before a JV run with these guys.........I even let a little more air out of my tires to save as much weight as I can.

[Lincoln]

Less unsprung weight helps a bunch when wanting to go fast. It's kind of like taking a big dump before a run. It's low below the center of gravity but it makes a big difference. :D

[Goatman]

Oh gawd, I knew this thread would eventually turn to crap.

Leave it to Lincoln.........

[Lincoln]

Oh gawd, I knew this thread would eventually turn to crap.

Leave it to Lincoln.........

I do my best to not dissappoint anyone.

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

Glad to help Ron! :D
All this for only $5.00 or more if ya want at - - - http://www.tinbenders.org/raffle.php

Pete

Ps - - All the $ from this will go to save Surprise Canyon. This federal court case will be the first win for our side in a long long time.
http://lttlbddy.com/albums/Misc/ORExpo/IMG_0082-sm.JPG






what the hell are those black things inbetween the axle and frame????

is that why theres a $5 price tag on that rig?

[luvrox]

what the hell are those black things inbetween the axle and frame????

is that why theres a $5 price tag on that rig?

I think that type of suspension is way to trick to discuss on this board. :moon:

[cracker]

I think that type of suspension is way to trick to discuss on this board. :moon:

You're not in JV?

[Lincoln]

You're not in JV?

Yes he is. It's that new high speed wireless they put in on the lakebed.

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

You're not in JV?


i feel sorry for anyone out there right now.......

sub 50 degree weather and showers........


i prefer the low 110s to that :D



BTW Cracker whos getttin your old 44? ive got a good chunk of change sittin in the bank and i might need something under my junk for now while i decide if i want my 609 with kingpins or balljoints.....

[cracker]

i feel sorry for anyone out there right now.......

sub 50 degree weather and showers........


i prefer the low 110s to that :D



BTW Cracker whos getttin your old 44? ive got a good chunk of change sittin in the bank and i might need something under my junk for now while i decide if i want my 609 with kingpins or balljoints.....

It's going on eBay.

I am hoping it'll be my wild card to recovering a bunch of $$$ I spent on the 60/9

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

It's going on eBay.

I am hoping it'll be my wild card to recovering a bunch of $$$ I spent on the 60/9


hoping to pull off what you did with your old tcase?

[Mike L]

hoping to pull off what you did with your old tcase?

What? Have Remi buy it? :smoker:

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

What? Have Remi buy it? :smoker:


avery correct me if im wrong but didnt you end up $100 up after buying the atlas and selling the super 231?

[luvrox]

No.:tear:
Sue had a discussion with me about bringing the new buggy home without having the honeydews looked after. The dialog went something like “scruffy, that POS FToy and you won’t fit in Scruff's house”. :twak:

[cracker]

No.:tear:
Sue had a discussion with me about bringing the new buggy home without having the honeydews looked after. The dialog went something like “scruffy, that POS FToy and you won’t fit in Scruff's house”. :twak:



:laugh2:

I hear you.

Need any help getting rid of the green monster?

-Avery

[cracker]

What? Have Remi buy it? :smoker:

???

Do what?

Remi bought a 'spare' 4:1 I had. Not the one I was using. I sold that one on eBay.

avery correct me if im wrong but didnt you end up $100 up after buying the atlas and selling the super 231?

Actually it was even but I did have to buy a spacer from advanced adapters to make it work and clocked flat.

[luvrox]

:laugh2:

I hear you.

Need any help getting rid of the green monster?

-Avery


Ebay? :worship:

[cracker]

Ebay? :worship:

We'll see :laugh2:

[lugie]

ok, I don't have time to read all this crap, but my name is being slandered.


I'm quite offended. :flipoff2:

[cracker]

Got the Warn drive flanges and they ended up being a fraction lighter than the Tera flanges I got. (1/5# overall)

Fishboy, got your weights yet?

[Matt S.]

My wieght chasing days have begun ladies...

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6060/jeepbuild2001editsw2.jpg

[Paul S]

Ok, let's get back to weights, BJ/unit bearing weights:

Knuckle = 23 lbs
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={07A50410-1D9D-4F4B-942F-94BD742FAE79}&exp=f&moddt=39014.7291125&ssdyn=1

Inner knuckle = 16.5 lbs
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={5048ED8A-BF02-4C40-8EDC-8C2D7AD61CD3}&exp=f&moddt=39014.7274683565&ssdyn=1

BJ = 3 lbs
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={0ACD40DB-BF5A-49B0-BD75-190157CEDC40}&exp=f&moddt=39014.7254818519&ssdyn=1

More to follow...

P

[Paul S]

Caliper bracket = 4.5 lbs
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={A83ADA0F-D2A0-41DD-81EB-D14A7DC7C795}&exp=f&moddt=39014.7266478125&ssdyn=1

Unit bearing = 15 lbs
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={39BF95EE-BFFE-4CBD-BAE3-4B4BA92625AA}&exp=f&moddt=39014.7282709838&ssdyn=1

Rotor = 17 lbs, no photo.

CTM = 3 lbs
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={43F55338-2ECA-4B06-B391-F3B2C6342F1F}&exp=f&moddt=39014.7245918634&ssdyn=1

Looks like the BJ/unit bearing setup is 12 lbs lighter per side than the KP/spindle setup.

P

[87manche]

them's some big ball joints. my D30 just felt inadequate.

[BrettM]

cross-drilled rotors? i'm sure you could get by with a few holes in those caliper brackets... and you haven't drilled the knuckle for the TRE yet, that's another couple ounces...

[XJ_ranger]

hmm.

all that stuff is WAY too heavy...

The Zuki samurai stuff we are using for the mini baja front axle is 30 lbs for:
inner + outer, inner knuckle, spindle, stub, hub, CV, and bearings...

for both sides...

with a 30 pound differential, and all we have to add is the axle tubes, rotors, and calipers/brackets... I dont think we're doing too bad... :D

just wait for the pictures with weights when I start makin the housings - were shooting for a 100lb or less front axle and a 75lb or less rear axle... including brackets and gear oil...

[cracker]

hmm.

all that stuff is WAY too heavy...

The Zuki samurai stuff we are using for the mini baja front axle is 30 lbs for:
inner + outer, inner knuckle, spindle, stub, hub, CV, and bearings...

for both sides...

with a 30 pound differential, and all we have to add is the axle tubes, rotors, and calipers/brackets... I dont think we're doing too bad... :D

just wait for the pictures with weights when I start makin the housings - were shooting for a 100lb or less front axle and a 75lb or less rear axle... including brackets and gear oil...

Is life expectancy calculated in feet?

[XJ_ranger]

Is life expectancy calculated in feet?

nope...

shooting for a 500lb rig, 650 with driver...

powered by a Briggs and Stratton 10 horsepower 'lawnmower' engine

with about 45:1 in low and 30:1 in high...

i think sami stuff that was built to hold a 2500lb rig and a 63 HP motor should do just fine in this use :D

[cumorglas]

nope...

shooting for a 500lb rig, 650 with driver...

powered by a Briggs and Stratton 10 horsepower 'lawnmower' engine

with about 45:1 in low and 30:1 in high...

i think sami stuff that was built to hold a 2500lb rig and a 63 HP motor should do just fine in this use :D

I've always said those sami axles looked like they belonged in a go kart. that sounds like exactly the go kart my kids need.

[GSequoia]

shooting for a 500lb rig

Bad Paul! You should not be stealing Opie's account!

[vetteboy]

hmm.

all that stuff is WAY too heavy...

The Zuki samurai stuff we are using for the mini baja front axle is 30 lbs for:
inner + outer, inner knuckle, spindle, stub, hub, CV, and bearings...

for both sides...

with a 30 pound differential, and all we have to add is the axle tubes, rotors, and calipers/brackets... I dont think we're doing too bad... :D

just wait for the pictures with weights when I start makin the housings - were shooting for a 100lb or less front axle and a 75lb or less rear axle... including brackets and gear oil...

You guys are doing an AWD mini baja? Neat. We thought about doing that but decided the benefits wouldn't be worth the added cost and design time...then again we had the water crossing event instead of the rock crawl. :lame:

[Jeff 98XJ WI]

Caliper bracket = 4.5 lbs
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={A83ADA0F-D2A0-41DD-81EB-D14A7DC7C795}&exp=f&moddt=39014.7266478125&ssdyn=1

Unit bearing = 15 lbs
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={39BF95EE-BFFE-4CBD-BAE3-4B4BA92625AA}&exp=f&moddt=39014.7282709838&ssdyn=1

Rotor = 17 lbs, no photo.

CTM = 3 lbs
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={43F55338-2ECA-4B06-B391-F3B2C6342F1F}&exp=f&moddt=39014.7245918634&ssdyn=1

Looks like the BJ/unit bearing setup is 12 lbs lighter per side than the KP/spindle setup.

P

So Paul (or Goatman or Dave, or anyone else who knows), can you give me a run down of who makes this stuff or what it is from? Oh yeah, what they cost too. :)

Inner C - for 3" diameter tubes and one ton Dodge ball joints? Crane?

Steering knuckle - I have no idea what this is for or who makes it. It looks custom. Crane?

Ball joints - Moog? For 1 ton Dodge trucks? Same part for 1 ton Ford trucks?

Unit Bearing - Dodge 3500? Stock bolt pattern or modified? If modified, who does it? 33 spline. What's wrong with the stock Dodge outer axle shaft? I believe you are getting some 300M inner and outer axle shafts made by CTM, but I'm just wondering how the outer differs from the stock outer shaft. How about Ford unit bearings? How do they differ from the Dodge units? What is the difference between F250, F350, and F450 unit bearings? How about Chevy unit bearings? What's the specs on those?

Brake bracket - I assume it goes against the steering knuckle and is sandwiched by the unit bearing, right? Who makes that?

Rotor - Something custom I imagine. Who makes it and I imagine it has the right offset to position it correctly for Large GM calipers?

Calipers - I'm guessing you'll be using vintage Large GM calipers which are the same ones a number of folks are using on their 1/2T D44 front ends, right? How's that going to work with 40" tires?

Thanks for the inf. Jeff

[Paul S]

So Paul (or Goatman or Dave, or anyone else who knows), can you give me a run down of who makes this stuff or what it is from? Oh yeah, what they cost too. :)

Inner C - for 3" diameter tubes and one ton Dodge ball joints? Crane?

Steering knuckle - I have no idea what this is for or who makes it. It looks custom. Crane?

Ball joints - Moog? For 1 ton Dodge trucks? Same part for 1 ton Ford trucks?

Unit Bearing - Dodge 3500? Stock bolt pattern or modified? If modified, who does it? 33 spline. What's wrong with the stock Dodge outer axle shaft? I believe you are getting some 300M inner and outer axle shafts made by CTM, but I'm just wondering how the outer differs from the stock outer shaft. How about Ford unit bearings? How do they differ from the Dodge units? What is the difference between F250, F350, and F450 unit bearings? How about Chevy unit bearings? What's the specs on those?

Brake bracket - I assume it goes against the steering knuckle and is sandwiched by the unit bearing, right? Who makes that?

Rotor - Something custom I imagine. Who makes it and I imagine it has the right offset to position it correctly for Large GM calipers?

Calipers - I'm guessing you'll be using vintage Large GM calipers which are the same ones a number of folks are using on their 1/2T D44 front ends, right? How's that going to work with 40" tires?

Thanks for the inf. Jeff

Inner C’s with 3” ID are from Parts Mike. $189 for both sides.
Steering knuckles are Tera. I think list is $350 or a little more, per side.
Unit Bearings are Dodge 3500, 33 spline. Tera modifies them for 5 on 5.4 & 5 on 5.5. $175 each, including mounting hardware & wheel studs.
I think the F450 unit bearings have the same mounting as mine, but I’m not sure. They have mini wheel hubs & require locking hubs or slugs, which is why I didn’t want them. They are 35 spline.
The 450’s are about $350 each, + a couple hundred for slugs.
There is also a Dodge ½ ton, 33 spline, 3 bolt unit bearing. This is the one that Spidertrax uses.
Stock Dodge stubs would work, but they’re not 300M.
Alloy USA inners would most certainly be fine, but with CTM joints & stubs, it just seems to make sense to spend a little more for the piece of mind that comes with balance:laugh3: + we’re not buying any spare anything.
Rotor is stock early model CJ.
Caliper brackets are Tera, mounted as you noted.
Calipers are standard ½ ton GM. I won’t even have to bleed my brakes.
I assume they’ll be fine with 40’s, if not there are plenty of options to go to larger claipers &/or rotors.

P

[FarmerMatt]

I won’t even have to bleed my brakes.
P

Good thing since you're gimp & can't bend over anymore... Does this mean your relationship with Dave is over now?:eeks1: :wierd:

[FarmerMatt]

OH SNAP!!! I've still got grease...

I tore the front end out of the rig to finish fab & weld on the housings along with freshining up the knuckles with new ball joints & such. I never opened them up before... Sure looks like a spindle with taper bearings to me & lots of nice slippery lube. The one nice thing is that I can get to the spindle nuts without getting into the grease by going between the rotor & knuckle so greaseless axle swaps are still a possibility (if I ever need to again). Getting back to the theme of this thread, I guess this will add a few pounds to me per side...

Matt

[Matt S.]

Hey Paul.....



















































http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/163/jeepbuildg001ob6.jpg

Is that good?:flame:

[David Taylor]

Hey Paul.....
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/163/jeepbuildg001ob6.jpg

Is that good?:flame:


Not bad. Is that trail ready ? Now you need to keep it at that with a real front
axle, tires and t-case.

[Matt S.]

Not bad. Is that trail ready ? Now you need to keep it at that with a real front
axle, tires and t-case.


Not trail ready. I plan on weighing everything as it goes on. I wont have a whole ton of stuff to add for the trail. Front shafts, minimal tools, tow strap, spare fluids, me and my passenger. I figure probably 400 to 500 lbs extra for wheeling status. I still think 3700 loaded for the trail is damn good. I hope for less, but my initial goal was to be under 3800.

[David Taylor]

Not trail ready. I plan on weighing everything as it goes on. I wont have a whole ton of stuff to add for the trail. Front shafts, minimal tools, tow strap, spare fluids, me and my passenger. I figure probably 400 to 500 lbs extra for wheeling status. I still think 3700 loaded for the trail is damn good. I hope for less, but my initial goal was to be under 3800.


I'm sure you will like it this way. Good jod on the diet.

[Mr.OverKill]

I'm sure you will like it this way. Good jod on the diet.diet hell, that is full blown balimia!! :laugh3:

[Paul S]

Not trail ready. I plan on weighing everything as it goes on. I wont have a whole ton of stuff to add for the trail. Front shafts, minimal tools, tow strap, spare fluids, me and my passenger. I figure probably 400 to 500 lbs extra for wheeling status. I still think 3700 loaded for the trail is damn good. I hope for less, but my initial goal was to be under 3800.

Are you thinking 3700 with you & a passenger? That would be good.

Paul

[FarmerMatt]

Welp, I ran the CAT down to the scales today. I now have a real front axle with a real set of tires & I dropped 200#. I'm sitting right @ 4K trail ready & a full tank of gas...

[Matt S.]

Well all my tools, spares, fluids and other extra things weigh in at 147 lbs. Wed I am taking it to work to put it on the really cool scales to check corner weights. So with me and my tools... adding 300 lbs to the heep. Really hoping that this rewire and most recent diet keeps me under 3600 with me in it:cheers:

[Ramsey]

Well all my tools, spares, fluids and other extra things weigh in at 147 lbs. Wed I am taking it to work to put it on the really cool scales to check corner weights. So with me and my tools... adding 300 lbs to the heep. Really hoping that this rewire and most recent diet keeps me under 3600 with me in it:cheers:
Damn your scrawny

[Matt S.]

Damn your scrawny

:chef: