Uploaded my new website... tell me what you think!

[Boostwerks.com]

www.Boostwerks.com (http://www.Boostwerks.com)

been a long time coming. It's not perfect yet, but right now I'm just glad it's up. Click on the "Jeep products" if your curious what I have up my sleeve ;)

:wave1:

Thanks guys,
Bryson

[Kiefer316]

Looks great man. I Like sportin the stickers too. Some more help for ya i guess.

[ColoradoRaptor]

Nice!! Lookin forward to the product!!

[navyblue123]

ill sport the stickers to

[Kiefer316]

ill sport the stickers to

Nope you cant. haha

[navyblue123]

shut up kiefer hahahaha lol jk hey u maybe wanna run spring creek on the 6th got some of my dads friends going but no really digging the website good job

[Kiefer316]

shut up kiefer hahahaha lol jk hey u maybe wanna run spring creek on the 6th got some of my dads friends going but no really digging the website good job

Dood you really need to learn how to type. It is really annoying.

[Boostwerks.com]

Thanks guys. I'm hoping to start selling the jeep stuff here soon. :)

[Kiefer316]

Well hurry up.... Not like ill be able to afford it but still Great lookin site.

[Frank Z]

$800 for a brake upgrade?!?!

[Boostwerks.com]

$800 for a brake upgrade?!?!

I honestly don't know the cost quite yet, but $800 is probubly a reasonable estimate. Did you look at what it includes?


2 Boostwerks caliper brackets
2 Wilwood superlite 6 piston calipers
2 12” cast iron rotors
2 stainless steel brake lines (Your chioce of length)
Hawk HPS performance brake pads
2 New Timken tapered roller unit bearings
All hardware included
Full instructions
Hell, Vanco wants $750 + $200 setup cost for their kit, and you don't even get much of an upgrade. ;)

[Kittrell]

Yep, price is on par for what it is. I paid $700 something for the 4 Pot Wilwood I put on the 44, for a lot less hardware.

[Stang5lgt]

Crown Vic have the same bolt pattern and come with 316mm or 12.44 inch rotors for the front. Just go the bone yard start measuring some Fords. Explorer, Mustang, Ranger, Tbirds all used that bolt pattern. My Lincoln Aviator has the same bolt pattern and has 13 inch rotors on the front.

[Kittrell]

My Lincoln Aviator has the same bolt pattern and has 13 inch rotors on the front.

Where do you live again......

[Stang5lgt]

Where do you live again......
LOL your funny. :D

[Kittrell]

LOL your funny. :D

What? I just wanted to inspect your brake components and make sure everything is in spec. Accidents are bad mmkay...............:D

[mrblaine]

I honestly don't know the cost quite yet, but $800 is probubly a reasonable estimate. Did you look at what it includes?


2 Boostwerks caliper brackets
2 Wilwood superlite 6 piston calipers
2 12” cast iron rotors
2 stainless steel brake lines (Your chioce of length)
Hawk HPS performance brake pads
2 New Timken tapered roller unit bearings
All hardware included
Full instructions
Hell, Vanco wants $750 + $200 setup cost for their kit, and you don't even get much of an upgrade. ;)

A point of clarification if you please- How can you be so sure of Van's stuff and yet don't know the cost of yours? ;)

Another point regarding your comment- "Vanco wants $750 + $200 setup cost for their kit" as you put it is not quite what you're making it out to be. The 200 dollars is a core charge so folks will return the knuckles so they can be cut up for new brake kits. It is not a set-up charge as those are typically non refundable and a core charge is if you send your knuckles back.

If you prefer not to deal with core charges, you can always hop down to your local Pic-N-Pull and send in knuckles ahead of time.

And based on your somewhat lacking description and general lack of info, I would truly hope you're not planning on trapping a bracket between the unit bearing and knuckle. ;)

[Stang5lgt]

When did SoCal become part of the Colorado Chapter? I thought we had a no Cali guys rule in this this Chapter?

[mrblaine]

When did SoCal become part of the Colorado Chapter? I thought we had a no Cali guys rule in this this Chapter?

Are you serious?

[Boostwerks.com]

A point of clarification if you please- How can you be so sure of Van's stuff and yet don't know the cost of yours? ;)

Another point regarding your comment- "Vanco wants $750 + $200 setup cost for their kit" as you put it is not quite what you're making it out to be. The 200 dollars is a core charge so folks will return the knuckles so they can be cut up for new brake kits. It is not a set-up charge as those are typically non refundable and a core charge is if you send your knuckles back.

If you prefer not to deal with core charges, you can always hop down to your local Pic-N-Pull and send in knuckles ahead of time.

And based on your somewhat lacking description and general lack of info, I would truly hope you're not planning on trapping a bracket between the unit bearing and knuckle. ;)

I realize the $200 is a core charge. However, $750 for some factory reworked components is just a little retarded.

The description is lacking and general info is lacking because I havn't finished developing the kit. Since I havn't posted any pictures yet except that of a wilwood caliper, I think it's funny how you've ended up coming to a conclusion of what the part looks like.

If you prefer to criticize a company developing a product you can always go build it yourself. :twak:

[YosemiteMatt]

Nice work on your website. He built it for you?

[.40CalPatriot]

Are you serious?

Do we look serious?:fuse:

[mrblaine]

I realize the $200 is a core charge.

Okay, if you realize 200 dollars is a core charge, then I won't have to admonish you again when you call it a set-up charge, will I?

However, $750 for some factory reworked components is just a little retarded.

Unless you're supplying a newly cast steering knuckle, how do you plan on dealing with the cast sliders that are in the way of your calipers? Rhetorical, because you have to re-work them somehow, in Van's case, he does it differently that requires skills outside the realm of most home crafters unless you have access to and know how to run a machine shop.

I don't know if you've priced brake components yet, and guessing based on your retail price, you really haven't or you plan on supplying cheap parts, but I'd hardly call Centric Premium rotors, Centric Calipers, and most of his brake pads as cheap parts.

The description is lacking and general info is lacking because I havn't finished developing the kit. Since I havn't posted any pictures yet except that of a wilwood caliper, I think it's funny how you've ended up coming to a conclusion of what the part looks like.

If you prefer to criticize a company developing a product you can always go build it yourself. :twak:

You're kidding, right? :wave1:For the purposes of this conversation, I am the developer of Van's kits on the tech side and I am intimately familiar with just about any known method of attaching a caliper to that knuckle that there is. Seeing as the Wilwood is a fixed caliper with floating pistons, you can attach a bracket behind as GoJeep has done using the unit bearing bolts, you can sandwich one between the unit bearing and face of the knuckle as some have done with Brembo, you can do as I did on the 15" kit and modify the knuckle to be part of the bracket, or you can do separate brackets like I did with the 16" kits.

Unless you have some magic, that's about all there is.

[Boostwerks.com]

Okay, if you realize 200 dollars is a core charge, then I won't have to admonish you again when you call it a set-up charge, will I?

I'm sorry my wording doesn't meet your socal fancy.


Unless you're supplying a newly cast steering knuckle, how do you plan on dealing with the cast sliders that are in the way of your calipers? Rhetorical, because you have to re-work them somehow, in Van's case, he does it differently that requires skills outside the realm of most home crafters unless you have access to and know how to run a machine shop.

Is that a serious question? How many jeepers don't have an angle grinder?

I don't know if you've priced brake components yet, and guessing based on your retail price, you really haven't or you plan on supplying cheap parts, but I'd hardly call Centric Premium rotors, Centric Calipers, and most of his brake pads as cheap parts.

lol. I would call them cheap actually. Paying good $ for a sliding caliper and calling it an upgrade doesn't make sense. Why not just sell a rebuilt WJ setup with upgraded steering as well? :twak:

You're kidding, right? :wave1:For the purposes of this conversation, I am the developer of Van's kits on the tech side and I am intimately familiar with just about any known method of attaching a caliper to that knuckle that there is. Seeing as the Wilwood is a fixed caliper with floating pistons, you can attach a bracket behind as GoJeep has done using the unit bearing bolts, you can sandwich one between the unit bearing and face of the knuckle as some have done with Brembo, you can do as I did on the 15" kit and modify the knuckle to be part of the bracket, or you can do separate brackets like I did with the 16" kits.

Unless you have some magic, that's about all there is.

:cookie: You make it seem like a radial mount setup is an easy and effective way to go. Now I'm confused. :confused1

BTW, my bracket IS different and stress analyzed using solidworks COSMOS.



Honestly sounds like your just afraid of a little competition :shiver:

[Boostwerks.com]

Nice work on your website. He built it for you?

Thanks! Me and my Fiance put together the site.

[mrblaine]

Honestly sounds like your just afraid of a little competition :shiver:

Please don't confuse experience building brakes from the ground up for that knuckle with fear. I am not the tiniest bit fearful and you can't do what you want for the price you have it at unless you plan on selling everything at cost.

I checked on that caliper and the cheapest price I could readily find it for put you at over 600 bucks for the pair. You have two choices to lower that price. Either invest a lot of money in inventory to increase your buying power or find someone running them out the back door.

If you're doing quality rotors, anything in 12" is 45 bucks a pop. If you're not doing quality, then you can do them for 18 bucks a pop, but you will quickly learn that your customers will not like you very much for using them.

The cheapest you can do front brake lines for is 20 bucks a side if you're doing anything remotely DOT related and if you can get them that cheap, you should go into business selling brake lines.

Figure a set of those Hawk pads you mentioned at 45 bucks if you buy in volume, a few bucks for hardware, and the caliper bracket in it's simplest form will be 15 bucks per side in bare steel and that's if you don't have to use any stand-offs which is highly doubtful. That puts you at 800 bucks thereabouts and you've made nothing for your time, overhead, development costs, and no profit.

So, you either have the price wrong, or you're getting deals on parts that require a significant investment and no return on that investment and you are self sufficient enough that you don't need to make any money for your time.

So no, no fear here, but it remains to be seen if you can deliver what you're promising and truly, more power to you if you can. I'd personally love to see it.

[Boostwerks.com]

Your about right. I can get the calipers less than that though. I also said "about $800" ;)

[mrblaine]

Your about right. I can get the calipers less than that though. I also said "about $800" ;)

You said the following-

I honestly don't know the cost quite yet, but $800 is probubly a reasonable estimate. Did you look at what it includes?


2 Boostwerks caliper brackets
2 Wilwood superlite 6 piston calipers
2 12” cast iron rotors
2 stainless steel brake lines (Your chioce of length)
Hawk HPS performance brake pads
2 New Timken tapered roller unit bearings
All hardware included
Full instructions
Hell, Vanco wants $750 + $200 setup cost for their kit, and you don't even get much of an upgrade. ;)


If by about 800, you mean closer to 1100 when you get the unit bearings in there, then you're correct, it's about 800 bucks.

When you did the FEA, what did it say about the loads the 3 knuckle bolts would see when subjected to braking forces? ;)

[Boostwerks.com]

Not much at all actually. Thats also with a rig weight of about 5,000lbs. Like I said, your assuming what the bracket looks like. ;)

[jimgrms]

I think you two should stop the squabling

[Caged94XJ]

I say they have a knife fight to settle this... Survivor is right...

[Boostwerks.com]

I'm down. :)

[mrblaine]

Not much at all actually. Thats also with a rig weight of about 5,000lbs. Like I said, your assuming what the bracket looks like. ;)

No, I'm assuming that since you referenced an angle grinder inferring that the owner will be modifying the knuckles ala GoJeep's method, that you will only be left with 2 places to mount the bracket.

Those would be behind the unit bearing, or behind the knuckle. There are no other ways to do it accurately enough to hold the caliper square to the rotor.

There are also no other places consistent enough in the knuckle casting to clamp to with a super fancy bracket across the 4 iterations of the casting over the years, so again, that leaves the knuckle bolts.

[mrblaine]

I think you two should stop the squabling

My apologies, I don't mean to come across as squabbly. I'm looking forward to seeing new brakes on the market, especially anything using that 6 piston caliper from Wilwood. I've had horrible success with their 4 piston stuff when I adapted it to the TJ knuckle with a 12" rotor, so it will be nice to see a good caliper from them put into use.

The bottom line is Jeep Brakes just plain suck, so the greater the number of options there are out the for Jeepers to take advantage of, the better it is for everyone. At least they will be upgrading their brakes somehow.

[mrblaine]

I'm down. :)

My poppa always told me "Son, don't ever take a knife to a gunfight". I've found him to be a wise man. ;)

[jimgrms]

When i did my front brakes on my xj 2 years ago iused new oem rotors and ceramic pads and it really improved the brakes (street driven ) they now have 60 000 on them and still stop great and was a little over 100 bucks don't see where anyone needs hi performance brakes when the xj will hardly ever see 75mph ??

[Kiefer316]

When i did my front brakes on my xj 2 years ago iused new oem rotors and ceramic pads and it really improved the brakes (street driven ) they now have 60 000 on them and still stop great and was a little over 100 bucks don't see where anyone needs hi performance brakes when the xj will hardly ever see 75mph ??

Well with upgrades like wheels/tires, racks, bumpers, sliders and any other things that add weight to the xj you will need upgraded brakes for better stopping power for all the added weight.

[mrblaine]

When i did my front brakes on my xj 2 years ago iused new oem rotors and ceramic pads and it really improved the brakes (street driven ) they now have 60 000 on them and still stop great and was a little over 100 bucks don't see where anyone needs hi performance brakes when the xj will hardly ever see 75mph ??

Here's the funny thing about the TJ, XJ, TJ Unlimited, and YJ brakes, out of every 100 folks you talk to, about 10 of them have great brakes depending on tire size. Some even have great brakes on big tires. Of the 90 left, fully 60 of them have marginal brakes with stock tires and larger tires plus armor and what not, and the other 30 are in denial and promise they can solve any braking issue just by driving safer.

I've driven about 100 or so rigs for brake issues and other things, of those, only one has had factory brakes that worked well on big tires. The rest benefitted greatly from uprated rotors and pads, or bigger brake kits and or better boosters.

And always, without fail, 100 percent of the time when someone expresses concern in a thread about how crappy their brakes are and what to do to fix it or make it better, there is always one or two that pop in and say what you just did. "Brakes are fine, what's your problem and why do you need more?" Never never ever fails. ;)

[Boostwerks.com]

My apologies, I don't mean to come across as squabbly. I'm looking forward to seeing new brakes on the market, especially anything using that 6 piston caliper from Wilwood. I've had horrible success with their 4 piston stuff when I adapted it to the TJ knuckle with a 12" rotor, so it will be nice to see a good caliper from them put into use.

The bottom line is Jeep Brakes just plain suck, so the greater the number of options there are out the for Jeepers to take advantage of, the better it is for everyone. At least they will be upgrading their brakes somehow.

:thumbup:

I currently have hawk HPS pads, and although the braking isn't bad, it still blows having to sink your ass into the seat (on and offroad) just to stop. I agree on all accounts that jeep brakes suck.

I love HPS pads though. I use them on my Acura CL, and they are perfect for a daily driver.

[mrblaine]

:thumbup:

I currently have hawk HPS pads, and although the braking isn't bad, it still blows having to sink your ass into the seat (on and offroad) just to stop. I agree on all accounts that jeep brakes suck.

I love HPS pads though. I use them on my Acura CL, and they are perfect for a daily driver.

I don't know why you like the HPS pads on a Jeep, but the Axxis Ceramics are slightly better, the Centric Posi-Quiet ceramics are a tiny bit better or equal to the HPS, the EBC Greens blow the Centrics away, and the EBC yellows flat out hands down kick all their butts.