through the floor Q's

[alek21]

i have a couple questions about going through the floor in the rear. what size shocks are people running? 14"? 16"? 18"? what valving in the shocks is best? im running the RE 5.5 full leaf packs in the rear, and the 5.5 coils up front. some pics of your setups would be nice, i plan on getting a cage pretty soon so the upper mounts will come off the cage. i do crawling and want to be able to go fast as well... thanks guys

[Swamprat]

runnign the shocks through the floor, should also help out on the trails. or so i hear...

[xjjeeper19]

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=984521

pics and info... read up

[-96JeepSpeed-]

Fox 14".

http://i39.tinypic.com/2re31as.jpg

[GrimmJeeper]

king 16s:

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w37/grimmpics/IM001197.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w37/grimmpics/IM001198.jpg

[alek21]

sweet thanks guys... hey 96jeepspeed you wanna trade your m/t spare for an a/t spare? lol i have muds and have an all terrain spare, and you have al terrains and have a mud spare.. ?

anyways, so it looks like most are using either 14s or 16s.. i take it if i wanted to use 16s the top mount would have to be higher? how much of a difference does going through the floor make? huge? or eh not that much?

thanks again guys

[GrimmJeeper]

how much of a difference does going through the floor make? huge? or eh not that much?
it was like night and day for me. the shocks dont fade because of the larger oil capacity, they stay much cooler. my rear shocks are valved very stiff as well, its hard on the street but off road the landings are nice and smooth in the rear.

[alek21]

it was like night and day for me. the shocks dont fade because of the larger oil capacity, they stay much cooler. my rear shocks are valved very stiff as well, its hard on the street but off road the landings are nice and smooth in the rear.

thanks grimm.. another thing im wondering about is how people cover the holes that you cut in the floor? its my dd so dust coming in like crazy would really suck lol

[GrimmJeeper]

some people use wetsuit material, some use cut up ATV innertubes, some (like me) just dgaf :D theres dust from all over CA in my truck, i think more comes out those holes than goes in lol... but im a windows open wheeler. when im DDing i usually roll up a couple towels or old tshirts and wrap em around the shocks then stuff em in the holes.

[silverslk]

Just so you know go as big as you can fit/afford. The larger the shock the more oil and the better against fade (Grimm mentioned fade but not capacity). I would recommend 2.5's over 2.0's also. BIG DIFFERENCE going there.

[alek21]

Just so you know go as big as you can fit/afford. The larger the shock the more oil and the better against fade (Grimm mentioned fade but not capacity). I would recommend 2.5's over 2.0's also. BIG DIFFERENCE going there.

so if i find a good deal on some 18"s then i should swoop up on em? ive been lookin around all the go fast sites i can and there seem to be some pretty good deals, you just have to jump on em fast

[crazyjim]

Just so you know go as big as you can fit/afford. The larger the shock the more oil and the better against fade (Grimm mentioned fade but not capacity). I would recommend 2.5's over 2.0's also. BIG DIFFERENCE going there.
This is exactly right... Alek, why do you think I'm going 2.5's? For what you do, my shocks would be fine, but a 2.5 through the floor would work better if you ever pushed your junk to that limit.

[alek21]

This is exactly right... Alek, why do you think I'm going 2.5's? For what you do, my shocks would be fine, but a 2.5 through the floor would work better if you ever pushed your junk to that limit.

well i think im going to go with whatever comes up first/what i can afford when something comes up. i am going to try and hold out for the best shocks i can find because it would probably be best to go big at first that way i dont have to change it later when i want to go faster.

[BajaCurt]

Here you go....very nice but alot of $$$
http://www.race-dezert.com/cgi-bin/trader/atl.cgi?ct=7&md=second&id=5912

[-96JeepSpeed-]

how much of a difference does going through the floor make? huge? or eh not that much?

thanks again guys
HUGE!

[XJRunner]

When i put my shocks through the floor I plan on getting these
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Adjustable-Floor-Mount-Trim-Kit,6210.html

[GrimmJeeper]

When i put my shocks through the floor I plan on getting these
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Adjustable-Floor-Mount-Trim-Kit,6210.html

nice find!

[XJRunner]

I know and I plan on running 2 inch shocks so its perfect

[GrimmJeeper]

looks like the biggest size is 2.25? i wonder how well they will stretch for 2.5s....

[XJRunner]

its only another quarter inch im sure they'd fit

[Ryan93]

its only another quarter inch im sure they'd fit
famous words :rof:

[dirtbagXJ2103]

if you run a bypass those holes are going to be bigger and harder to seal if that matters to u that is

[alek21]

anyone have any pics of how you mounted your shocks to the axle? just use the stock location or?? ive heard that when you move your shock mounts to the top/front/back of your axle your pinion angle isnt correct for compensating of accelerating/decelerating.. ??

[xjjeeper19]

anyone have any pics of how you mounted your shocks to the axle? just use the stock location or?? ive heard that when you move your shock mounts to the top/front/back of your axle your pinion angle isnt correct for compensating of accelerating/decelerating.. ??


Like this... It was just mocked up here, I welded it when everything else was welded.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f66/xjjeeper19/DSC00273.jpg

[Ryno XJ]

Here is mine.....basically the same
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/rynoxj/XJ%20build-up/Jeepbuildpics007.jpg

[karstic]

When i put my shocks through the floor I plan on getting these
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Adjustable-Floor-Mount-Trim-Kit,6210.html

How's that gonna work with a shock that will move around?

[alek21]

i was thinking i could get some of the rubber covers that covers the shifter stick in the cab of a manual.. just cut a hole in the top and gorilla glue the bottom to the floor.

[hellbilly04]

anyone have any pics of how you mounted your shocks to the axle? just use the stock location or?? ive heard that when you move your shock mounts to the top/front/back of your axle your pinion angle isnt correct for compensating of accelerating/decelerating.. ??

here is a pic of the lower mounts I did
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u309/hellbilly86/Craigs%20Jeep/IMG_0750.jpg

[XJRunner]

How's that gonna work with a shock that will move around?

you dont use the metal mount. just the boot and the chrome floor trim

[Ryan93]

or cut the pieces that connect the bottom part to the top and it will free float around while the top part still grips the shock.. if im explaining that right..

[karstic]

you dont use the metal mount. just the boot and the chrome floor trim

Gotcha

[Starboard M]

What valving are you guys using?

[robojeep]

Like this... It was just mocked up here, I welded it when everything else was welded.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f66/xjjeeper19/DSC00273.jpgWhat about axle wrap? I read that a configuration of 1 shock in front of the tube and the other behind the tube helps control wrap, thoughts?

Also, any reason everyone in this thread has the bolt running parallel to the axle, rather than perpendicular?

[xjjeeper19]

What about axle wrap? I read that a configuration of 1 shock in front of the tube and the other behind the tube helps control wrap, thoughts?

Also, any reason everyone in this thread has the bolt running parallel to the axle, rather than perpendicular?


I have no axle wrap with my Deavers....

[DesertRunner]

I have no axle wrap with my Deavers....
X2 never had a problem with the stroker and the deavers!

[HeavyMetal]

Bumping an old thread so as to not clutter with new ones on the same subject.

Do any of you have a picture looking up from the axle of the shock going into the jeep? I took a look at mine for a bit (i want to mount the shock on the spring plate) and it seems like there isnt much room to work with between the wheel-well itself and the unibody frame rail there for a shock to go through..and it may have to be on a bit of an inward canted angle to accomplish it...which seems like it could be odd fitment to me, and potentially will be kissing the frame..ive never seen anyone cut up the wheel-well at all to get the shock through, so this is why i ask.

also, i assume the shock has more fore and aft motion moreso than side-side motion, so perhaps a slightly elongated hole for the shock is logical in the floor? no real way for me to know how much they move...figure i'd ask before doing the good ol 'guess check and revise' tactic, haha

ALSO, i have seen on more than one occasion guys mounting their shoicks on the spring plate with the orientation of the bushing/bolt parallel with the axle as opposed to the stock direction of perpendicular..reasoning? (2 examples in this thread)

[GrimmJeeper]

it seems like there isnt much room to work with between the wheel-well itself and the unibody frame rail there for a shock to go through..and it may have to be on a bit of an inward canted angle to accomplish it...which seems like it could be odd fitment to me, and potentially will be kissing the frame..ive never seen anyone cut up the wheel-well at all to get the shock through, so this is why i ask.

also, i assume the shock has more fore and aft motion moreso than side-side motion, so perhaps a slightly elongated hole for the shock is logical in the floor?

This is exactly why my floors are peeling up next to the frame rail. I didn't take into account the side to side motion of the shocks, only fore/aft. i left 2" in front and 2" behind the shock, no problems there. there is 3/4" on the outside (next to the fenderwell) and 1/2" on the inside (next to the frame rail). the inside is the only area that hits. the Filars cut thier inner fenderwell to run the shock in a better position, as well as many others. someone on this board did a really clean job and actually cut the section of the fenderwell and welded in a curved piece of metal to go around it to close the fenderwell back off. remember if you cut into the fenderwell anything kicked up by the tires is going to go right inside the jeep (mud, dust, rocks, etc). Pics at the end of this post.

no real way for me to know how much they move...figure i'd ask before doing the good ol 'guess check and revise' tactic, haha

thats a tough one. you cant really know until you know where and how high you are mounting the top of the shock. its going to pivot on that point and the more it is in front or behind the center line (straight up) the more it is going to pivot on that upper mount.

hope this helps. Here is a pic of the filars where the bypass shock is through the fender well, as well as a couple pics of my setup.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/EricFilar/Parker1.jpg

side view from outside
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w37/grimmpics/CIMG3941.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w37/grimmpics/IM001197.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w37/grimmpics/IM001198.jpg

that last one is kind of a crappy pic but you can see how close it was to the shock body. on the way home from getting the hoop welded in it dented up all four sides of that hole... just driving on the street.

ill try to get a better pic of what it looks like now, that area is really beat up now. My Jeep isn't here or I would go out and snap a pic right now.

and before anyone give me shit for the single shear mount .!. :D .!. it is what it is. its a 5/8s grade 8 bolt and its mounted to a solid piece of billet round stock drilled out and welded all the way around on both sides. thats the only part of the entire hoop that hasnt moved, lol. the legs have deformed (i think from the floor and frame rails being tweaked) and the welds are cracking on the underside of the braces. No big deal though, everything will be in a new body in a month or so :D

hope this helps ya out a bit in your decision bud :cheers:

[HeavyMetal]

great post, thank you for the help!

[I Beamed Jeep]

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/JeepSpeed/Picture144.jpg
Here's one I found hope it helps.

[Skullver]

hope this helps, good luck!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/skullver/swayaway%20%20bypass%20shocks/uppershockmount1735.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/skullver/swayaway%20%20bypass%20shocks/lowershockmount1735.jpg

[Ryan93]

anyone have pictures of this done with the back seat still in?

[alek21]

im pretty sure Grimm's back seat still works, its just folded down.. or at least thats what it looks like

[GrimmJeeper]

mine is still functional, that was my main requirement when building it as I have kids. Plus, its fun to pack people in the back and scare the crap out of them after they've been drinking quite a bit at camp, the ride in the back is a lot different than it is up front :D

not the best pic, but you can see the seat is still up here.

http://www.blacksheepcrew.net/webgallery/albums/userpics/10001/DSCF2118.jpg

[Ryan93]

Perfect thanks man, yea having my backseat is essential

[xcm]

I dont miss my back seat, i miss being able to load my xj full of tools =\

sinse i went thru the floor, ive noticed lots of smaller tools going missing. time to figure out a boot.

at this point, my bedcage isnt attached to the main cage, i cant see this ending well. i can see the entire rear structure move around over speedbumps, so grimm's situation makes a lot of sense.

[HeavyMetal]

at this point, my bedcage isnt attached to the main cage, i cant see this ending well. i can see the entire rear structure move around over speedbumps, so grimm's situation makes a lot of sense.

man, its that bad??? i definitely wasnt planning on having this tied into a main cage anytime truly soon

[ratboy93]

im not sure about JS legal but no one has mentioned about going with 3" resi shocks. im almost positive 3" is ok for js. i was talking with a couple guys from king and kartek the other day at kartek and we were talking about the 3" king jeepspeed shock. although this shock is for the front... a 3" shock holds more oil meaning less shock fade.
ive also heard of a 3" resi out performing a 2.5 triple. now if you have the dow get a pair of 3.0 16" triple for the back, the hole in the floor is goin to resemble a gaping wound but they will be insane bad ass

[xcm]

man, its that bad??? i definitely wasnt planning on having this tied into a main cage anytime truly soon


i definately was using hyperbole, but it does move a lil bit. my bedcage is bolted on at 4 points, clearly not enough!
grimmjeeper has a theory that his bedcage combined with desert running lead to a lot of his unibody problems.

[HeavyMetal]

noted!

[GrimmJeeper]

it does move a lil bit.


grimmjeeper has a theory that his bedcage combined with desert running lead to a lot of his unibody problems.

this is where i would say "that's an understatement" to the bold type, then have to reply to my own post with "understatement MY ASS!"

I can't say the problems in the back of my XJ were caused by my shock hoop 100%, but it suuuuure looks like it if you follow the ideas of where the force from my hoop would be applied and where it would go from there, etc.


im no physics major, but i know i have a physical problem in my XJ that needs major attention if that matters :D

[DieselSJ]

im not sure about JS legal but no one has mentioned about going with 3" resi shocks. im almost positive 3" is ok for js. i was talking with a couple guys from king and kartek the other day at kartek and we were talking about the 3" king jeepspeed shock. although this shock is for the front... a 3" shock holds more oil meaning less shock fade.
ive also heard of a 3" resi out performing a 2.5 triple. now if you have the dow get a pair of 3.0 16" triple for the back, the hole in the floor is goin to resemble a gaping wound but they will be insane bad ass

In JS you can run a 2.5" bypass or a 3" smoothie. For the past 4 years the championship car and 2nd place car have run 2.5" bypass so you can draw your own conclusions as to what is better. When was the last time a car with 3" Kings won a championship? I think it was never...

As for fade resistance, I'll put our current 2.5" Bilstein against ANY 3" smoothie.

[Ryno XJ]

anyone have pictures of this done with the back seat still in?

Do these back seats count?lol
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/rynoxj/XJ%20build-up/Jeepbuildpics002.jpg