Bad guy is toast, good guy in serious condition.

[RockyCodeHead]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflorida/story/966133.html

I am wondering how many liberal whacko people will blame the CCWP holder for engaging the bad guy rather than being a pacifist.

My opinion is that the bad guy went in to commit a crime with a loaded firearm. He made his mind up that he would be willing to kill and for what? A hundred bucks from a register drawer?

It's too bad the good guy was hit but apparently no one else was injured. My prayers are with him for a speedy recovery. He's a hero!

[jragan]

Depending on the State, County, and City laws the "good guy" could be facing a ton of legal issues. I am sure the family of the robber will persue the law to the fullest extent. A lot of states you have to be directly threatened. Like you said $100 is that worth pulling your weapon on if you are carrying. Every business establishment I know of directs their employees to just hand over the money. Busy store not a direct threat to the guy or his family, I am sure will be more out of his pocket then what was in the register.

[x2elite]

Depending on the State, County, and City laws the "good guy" could be facing a ton of legal issues. I am sure the family of the robber will persue the law to the fullest extent. A lot of states you have to be directly threatened. Like you said $100 is that worth pulling your weapon on if you are carrying. Every business establishment I know of directs their employees to just hand over the money. Busy store not a direct threat to the guy or his family, I am sure will be more out of his pocket then what was in the register.


lets hope not.

I always tell my wife if it ever comes down to me having to shoot someone, I am going to make damned sure it kills them. That way at least when the family sues me, the sorry Bastage that I shot won't get to benefit from any of my money/belongings.

I was a cop for three years so I know whats legal and not legal, and i live in Texas so the laws about shooting someone on my property are a lot more cut and dry than they are most places.

[YELLAHEEP]

Unfortunately, the armed customer made a very big mistake - he argued with him and took the focus off the robbery....... In Colorado, he'd have been justified in simply capping the guy the moment the gun was leveled at the employee (assuming that by having "showed his gun" he'd leveled it/pointed it at the clerk):

"The robber entered wearing a ski mask. He approached a clerk, showed his gun and demanded money, said Miami police spokesman Jeff Giordano.

A customer eyed him and the two started arguing. The customer had a concealed-weapons permit and his gun -- and the two exchanged gunfire."

The customer created a quick-draw situation for himself because it appears the bandit may have had his gun at the ready - leaving the customer to have to draw and fire.

Shoulda popped him right in the melon the moment the bandit made the money demand - he wasn't expecting any resistance, and would have never had the chance to know differently.

Hope the customer recovers and gets to enjoy a well deserved Grand Jury aquittal.

[bd18packer]

Gunfight at the Burger King?
"Hold the pickle,
Hold the lettuce,
Violent robbers don't upset us,
We just let the customers blow them away...
Have it your way,
at Burger King..."

[.40CalPatriot]

Sadly all the time the CCW permit holder was argueing with the robber can be used against him as time to think about shooting the robber and he could be charged with pre-meditated murder.

[YELLAHEEP]

Sadly all the time the CCW permit holder was argueing with the robber can be used against him as time to think about shooting the robber and he could be charged with pre-meditated murder.


Not likely. How can you plan the murder of a guy threatening you or someone else with a firearm? You could probably think about a tactical way to protect yourself/others before shooting, but thinking of intentionally killing the guy with malice? That's gonna be a hard-sell.

The robber displayed the weapon first. His intentions were put out there first. The CCW permit guy acted in defense of the clerk, the customers, and then ultimately of himself. Ya gotta remember, you CANNOT take the media's version as what happened. I'm thinking there wasn't as much of an "arguement" as there was a very brief shouting exchange between them of "put your weapon down! No, you put yours down!" kinda thing........ :dunno:

I mean seriously - most folks who bother to get a CCW have spent some trigger time, generally know guns, and the CCW courses required before the permits are issued generally cover some shoot/no shoot scenarios.

I'd actually be pretty disappointed if there's any truth to there being an arguement - that shows hesitation on the part of the CCW holder. Maybe he actually thought the bad guy would drop the gun and give up. If that's the case - I'm betting he'll not let that happen ever again.........

[.40CalPatriot]

Not likely. The robber displayed the weapon first. His intentions were put out there first. The CCW permit guy acted in defense of the clerk, the customers, and then ultimately of himself. Ya gotta remember, you CANNOT take the media's version as what happened. I'm thinking there wasn't as much of an "arguement" as there was a very brief shouting exchange between them of "put your weapon down! No, you put yours down!" kinda thing........ :dunno:

I mean seriously - most folks who bother to get a CCW have spent some trigger time, generally know guns, and the CCW courses required before the permits are issued generally cover some shoot/no shoot scenarios.

I'd actually be pretty disappointed if there's any truth to there being an arguement - that shows hesitation on the part of the CCW holder. If that's the case - I'm betting he'll not let that happen ever again.........

True about the media lies but you would be surprise.( yeah probably not), but we just went over a case like this at school where a man with a CCW pointed his gun at a attacker at a bar and hesitated then shot, and because of witness accounts he is going to be charged with murder.

[JohnJohn]

The trans fats made him do it.

[YELLAHEEP]

True about the media lies but you would be surprise.( yeah probably not), but we just went over a case like this at school where a man with a CCW pointed his gun at a attacker at a bar and hesitated then shot, and because of witness accounts he is going to be charged with murder.

Sure that can happen - the threat obviously wasn't turned on the CCW holder and the case facts probably indicate that at the time he shot the "attacker" - NO ONE was in immediate danger. The attacker probably stopped what he was doing when confronted..... :dunno:

In the case of the BK shooting - I think it's pretty obvious that the CCW holder was in fact in immediate danger - he ended up getting shot himself which suggests things deteriorated quickly into them pointing guns at each other.

[YELLAHEEP]

The trans fats made him do it.

What do chubby cross-dressers have to do with any of this?

Oh wait.........

:D

[.40CalPatriot]

Sure that can happen - the threat obviously wasn't turned on the CCW holder and the case facts probably indicate that at the time he shot the "attacker" - NO ONE was in immediate danger. The attacker probably stopped what he was doing when confronted..... :dunno:

In the case of the BK shooting - I think it's pretty obvious that the CCW holder was in fact in immediate danger - he ended up getting shot himself which suggests things deteriorated quickly into them pointing guns at each other.

Actually the guy drew while the attackers back was towards him as the guy was grabbing a pool que and then he waited till the guy turned back around and started to swing before he shot. So at least he waited for the guy to see it coming but who knows. I believe the DA is pursuing the case because he thinks the force was too excessive compared to the threat.

[YELLAHEEP]

Actually the guy drew while the attackers back was towards him as the guy was grabbing a pool que and then he waited till the guy turned back around and started to swing before he shot. So at least he waited for the guy to see it coming but who knows. I believe the DA is pursuing the case because he thinks the force was too excessive compared to the threat.

Well then that's a bunch of B.S.! A pool cue should certainly be considered a deadly weapon and if the bad guy is stupid enough to raise it threateningly at a guy holding a gun, then there shouldn't be an issue...... Hell, the defense should be able to argue that the fact that the guy paused before shooting gave the dead guy a last second to re-consider his actions and he chose not to put the pool cue down.

[.40CalPatriot]

Well then that's a bunch of B.S.! A pool cue should certainly be considered a deadly weapon and if the bad guy is stupid enough to raise it threateningly at a guy holding a gun, then there shouldn't be an issue......

Yeah I am wondering if the judge that signed the information is a gun control advocate.

[jimgrms]

Actually the guy drew while the attackers back was towards him as the guy was grabbing a pool que and then he waited till the guy turned back around and started to swing before he shot. So at least he waited for the guy to see it coming but who knows. I believe the DA is pursuing the case because he thinks the force was too excessive compared to the threat.
I am easily confused .how did the good guy get shot with a pool que?? and why was a pool que in a bk ??

[Kittrell]

Two stories going on here Jim........:D

[jimgrms]

I guess i missed the 2nd story i better pay closer attention

[Kittrell]

Story One

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflorida/story/966133.html

It's too bad the good guy was hit but apparently no one else was injured. My prayers are with him for a speedy recovery. He's a hero!

Story Two

True about the media lies but you would be surprise.( yeah probably not), but we just went over a case like this at school where a man with a CCW pointed his gun at a attacker at a bar and hesitated then shot, and because of witness accounts he is going to be charged with murder.

:cool:

[jimgrms]

Thanks

[rockhounds4x4]

Why didn't he just shoot him in the hand like they do in the movies. You don't have to kill them.

BS shoot first, shoot again, shoot until everyone is dead and then argue.

[Stallacrew]

Ok, how can hero guy be in trouble if he was injured (from what I would assume to be a bullet wound)?

[ColoradoRaptor]

Thank you Mr. Citizen, you took another worthless pile of human feces off the count!!! I wish there were more of you out there doing the same thing!! The more we fight back, the more crinminals may second guess their criminal activities!!