Exo Kit

[Speed_racer]

Im thinking about doing an EXO, but am not NEAR smart enough to design one, so I was wondering if there was a site online where I could buy all the tubing prebent, and then just have my buddy weld it on?!?

[Lucas]

http://www.c-rok.com/

[MMIXJ]

olympic 4x4 makes one...

http://www.4x4products.com/xjfrtsid.jpg

[KarmirXJ]

why do you need an exo cage?

running 32" tires, will you be doing any hard-core trails?

sorry to rain on your parade... im not trying to sound like an ass, seriously.

why waist the money for an exo if you dont even have a full interior cage to tie it to??? the above picture (olympic) is not a good cage.. If you roll up on the trails with that crap on your rig, you are seriously going to get lauphed at.


if you dont have anything to tie the exo to then its worthless.

save your money save yourself the embarassment and get something you really need


EDIT: C-roks cage is an OK cage but again

IF YOU DONT TIE YOUR EXO TO YOUR INTERIOR CAGE IT IS WORTHLESS.

[rockwerks]

IF YOU DONT TIE YOUR EXO TO YOUR INTERIOR CAGE IT IS WORTHLESS.

You could not be more mistaken....if you tie it to the roof with plate on nside and outside 1/8" plate at bend of roof line. do the same on the sides and fenders @ around 24" oc the exo will be fine. thats the way land rover do theirs for 50 years from the factory and the work very well

[azxjman]

that cage looks ridiculous with all that tubing but the c-rok cage now that is a nice exo.

[KarmirXJ]

Originally posted by xjnation
You could not be more mistaken....if you tie it to the roof with plate on nside and outside 1/8" plate at bend of roof line. do the same on the sides and fenders @ around 24" oc the exo will be fine. thats the way land rover do theirs for 50 years from the factory and the work very well

basically you just tied the cage all over the body..... How can i be more mistaken" didnt I just say the cage needs to be tied in?
I guess your right... tie the cage onto sheet metal. I wounder whats gonna happen if you flop over a hill and start rolling. I rather have a solid tie in point than tieing it to the body panels.
olympic and C-rok make EXOs none of them tie into the body, the only thing holding them on is bolts through the bumpers and rockers.


heres a prime example of how MATT tied his. I will be doing this after I get my cage finished next month.
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/EXO/exo24s.jpg
http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/EXO/exo25s.jpg


like I said before if your going to put an Exo on your rig with no interior cage, your waising your time.


but then again this will make it esier for you to climb ontop and put your bags on the roof, especially that ladder in the back.:rolleyes:
http://www.4x4products.com/xjfrtsid.jpg

[Beezil]

just because land rovers do it doesn't mean you should....

if a land rover drover over a cliff, would you?

[KarmirXJ]

personally I wouldnt be cought dead in a land rover:D

[meangreenjeep]

You could not be more mistaken....if you tie it to the roof with plate on nside and outside 1/8" plate at bend of roof line. do the same on the sides and fenders @ around 24" oc the exo will be fine. thats the way land rover do theirs for 50 years from the factory and the work very well

Careful now...thinking like that here will get you crucified like me . It's generally considered that rolling an XJ with NOTHING is ok, whereas rolling one that has a mild exo using the existing body/frame as re-enforcement will result in immediate death:rolleyes: You also would NEVER want something to help keep the body panels straight



http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8965 ((see here))

[Speed_racer]

Karmir... Sure... Im on 32's.... but does the fact that im on 32's limit how hardcore of trails ill attempt? NO!!!

You never know when you can roll, lots of rolls down here where im at are in dirt or mud and Crinkle up the body.. bad....

An internal cage would be good, yeah, but doesnt protect windows or anything like that against flat land (rockless)... the exo would keep the body OFF the ground.. which is what i want...

[korda]

I was thinking about making a mild exo to protect some of the body on my Jeep. I layed it completely on it's side over the weekend and it dented the roof a bit and mangled my doors. All the doors work and the only thing that broke was the sunroof and side mirror. I'm putting new doors on it this weekend but was thinking...

what if I did an exo that came up from my rockers in front of the drivers side door, followed the a pillar up and then ran along the roof to the hatch where it would come down to a rear bumper I would make. Then, along the roof I tied the tube into where the roof rack mounts into the roof as well as braced it across to the other side. Seems to me this would prevent a lot of the damage I get from trees on our tight trails as well as prevent damage to the roof like I got over the weekend. Any thoughts?

The rack mounts appeared strong in my flop. If it wasn't for them holding so well my roof wouldn't be twisted. My roofrack landed on a rock when it layed over, causing most of the damage.

http://www.tristanroux.com/temp/gilbert-08-30-03/Img00033.JPG

[meangreenjeep]

What you need to do with the roof rack mounts is run them all the way through the roof panel into the sub-body, using appropriate spacers between. This will transfer loads to the factory sub-body/"cage"

[KarmirXJ]

Ok I guess I look at things a bit differently do whatever you guys like.... its your time and money



Originally posted by Speed_racer
Karmir... Sure... Im on 32's.... but does the fact that im on 32's limit how hardcore of trails ill attempt? NO!!!

umm.. yes it directly effects what trails you run

. I didnt see anybody at sludge hammer last month on 30"s or 32"s.... they where all most of the guys where on 37"s + tires and 1 guy had 35"s

[erikrs301]

Originally posted by KarmirXJ
why do you need an exo cage?

running 32" tires, will you be doing any hard-core trails?

That has to be the most ignorant statement I have ever read on this board. (period)

[KarmirXJ]

Originally posted by erikrs301
That has to be the most ignorant statement I have ever read on this board. (period)

:rolleyes:

you are the ignorant one my friend....


might be ignorant to you but at least I suggested something to the guy / gave my oppinion. to me your post is thee most worthless waist of bandwith. (period)

as you can see Ive posted many illistrations trying to help the guy out. unless you have some sort of tech or suggestion of some sort to give, It would be best if you keep your ignorant comments to yourself.:rolleyes:

[Speed_racer]

Karmir, I see what you're saying. but remember, I'm NOT in moab, im NOT in rock country.. im in MUD country.. and then when there are hills, theyre NUTS b/c theyre slippery, muddy, rollover causing hills.... make a lil more sense now?

[KarmirXJ]

racer, thats fine... Im done arguing with the guy. that is fine if you want to proctect your panels thats fine. here in CA its a different world, you soon start not caring for dented panels becuase if you run core trials your bound to get some. every cage ive seen down here are for structure or saftey. might be different down east.


its not my rig so whatever floats his boat is fine with me.

[Beezil]

both of yaz knock it off......

karmir, tire size doesn't qualify you or disqualify you from needing a cage.......period.

big tires does not a hardcore wheeler make.

I know plenty of people with 32" tires or less that wheel like hell won't have it, and i know plenty of people with big tires and big lifts who do nothing but drive around watching the smaller guys wheel hard.

no one TRIES to roll

and NOT rolling cannot be controlled.

furthermore, it sounds ridiculous for a non-member to go on saying which posts are a waste of bandwidth.....Naxja members pay for bandwidth, and we'll decide whose posts are inefficient.....

can you dig it?

thanks, i knew you could.

[MaXJohnson]

Originally posted by erikrs301
That has to be the most ignorant statement I have ever read on this board. (period) ;)

I'm not a big fan of exo's mainly because of the weight. I think low weight is one of the advantages of wheeling an XJ. There are a few that look pretty good, though. C-Roks comes to mind.

If I were to build one, I would tie into the drip rail, at front, rear and center on each side. Additional tie-ins would be beneficial if they could be designed in.

Then on the inside, rather than building a full internal cage, an "X" behind the rear seat attached with plate to the roof rails would do wonders. Same thing behind the front seats if space would permit. To take it a step further, an upside down "V" at the windshield, tied into the heavy header panel at the base of the windshield would top it off. Most other internal tubing would be redundant and just add weight.

[Ivan]

Originally posted by KarmirXJ
why do you need an exo cage?

running 32" tires, will you be doing any hard-core trails?



How cool !!! I have 32's and don't do "hard core trails", so that must mean I won't ever roll my XJ. And to think I almost bought 33's or larger.... a perfect formula for roll overs. I guess I can toss caution out the window when and not worry about rolling when I wheel from now on..... :rolleyes:

[KarmirXJ]

Originally posted by Beezil
can you dig it? thanks, i knew you could.

hey Im trying to be nice:D

[erikrs301]

Originally posted by KarmirXJ
:rolleyes:

you are the ignorant one my friend....


might be ignorant to you but at least I suggested something to the guy / gave my oppinion. to me your post is thee most worthless waist of bandwith. (period)

as you can see Ive posted many illistrations trying to help the guy out. unless you have some sort of tech or suggestion of some sort to give, It would be best if you keep your ignorant comments to yourself.:rolleyes:

Take yer 'illustrations' and shove them up yer ass, that's not at all my point. It's this bullshit of believing that because someone is not running 35"+ tires on locked full size axles, yer not 'wheelin.' It's the ignorant comments and ****s like yew that give the rest of us a bad name out there on the trails, so no, I will not keep my comments to myself you self rightious bitch.

If someone wants to run a full cage, go for it, just do it right like you're suggesting, that's kewl. I was wishing I had a few weeks back when I was staring at the ground a foot away from my window...but shit, I'm only open diff'd on 33's, guess I don't need a cage anyway.

But to be on the subject...do it right, spend the money and have one fabbed that is going to be safe in any situation and be solid as all hell. If you don't have the fab skillz, then yes, get the Vasoline because you're going to pay for it. This is a safety item, not something to 'look kewl', do yew spend $20 on the kewl looking bike helmet or $150 that's gonna protect yer noggin best?

that is all...

[Beezil]

hey erik....jeezus man........

just when this thread was getting nicer, you have to come poop on it.

there's no reason for namecalling, there are more tactful and intellegent ways of trying to get your point across.....

I'm sure Karmir will be the better man and not respond to your post.....

its a good topic, wouldn't want the mod to have to remove this....

[KarmirXJ]

Take yer 'illustrations' and shove them up yer ass, that's not at all my point. It's this bullshit of believing that because someone is not running 35"+ tires on locked full size axles, yer not 'wheelin.'

I never said that
your tire size will alow you to do much more difficault trails.... thats what i was saying

boy would I like to respond to your post.. but I would get off way to rude with people like you.

but out of respect to beez.

Im done with this thread.

[Speed_racer]

So far I'd like to thank Lucas, and MMIXJ, for actually answering the question at hand.

Along with C-rok for the PM regarding me question...

[Jump This]

I just want to protect the Jeep from damage....the wife says I'm not worth the money to build a cage (and I can do it myself!) But she would like for me to bring home the Jeep without damage...sounds like a custom (I am not going to use the term exo-cage here) external slider protection system (ESPS for short) Light weight with some thaught.......
Rick

[dave]

well to throw a little different light on things.. I bought the cage tennesee off road sells.. i plan on throwing in the internal cage.. then doing a halo around the roof, then going down the a pillar cutting a hole for a tube in the fender.. going to the psuedo framerail.. then run tubing down the b pillar tied into my rockrails.. then finally tube from each rear corner of the halo down to my bumper in the back.. thus having a light duty exo and full internal cage... they kind of lend themselves to one another.. and if you look on the deja website and read about steve smith .. you'll understand why a good internal cage should be a must for everyone who wheels and alters thier vehicle's center of gravity and handling characteristics.. even if you are only " mall wheeling"

[Locrdup]

Originally posted by dave
well to throw a little different light on things.. I bought the cage tennesee off road sells.. i plan on throwing in the internal cage.. then doing a halo around the roof, then going down the a pillar cutting a hole for a tube in the fender.. going to the psuedo framerail.. then run tubing down the b pillar tied into my rockrails.. then finally tube from each rear corner of the halo down to my bumper in the back.. thus having a light duty exo and full internal cage... they kind of lend themselves to one another.. and if you look on the deja website and read about steve smith .. you'll understand why a good internal cage should be a must for everyone who wheels and alters thier vehicle's center of gravity and handling characteristics.. even if you are only " mall wheeling"

I would really do it this way. With 32s a huge honkin exo is gonna look rediculous, just my opinion and you may not care about looks. I don't know if yours is a dd or not.

[MMIXJ]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by KarmirXJ

http://home.off-road.com/~wanderingwillys/EXO/exo24s.jpg

got any photos of how this ties in to the interior (shot from the inside)?

[JKTXJ]

I second that statement!!! I roll on 32's and have done plenty of hardcore trails... also have seen people roll their rigs on not so hardcore trails.

[vintagespeed]

In support of small tire wheelers the world over I'd like to remind you guys that Andy Couch wheeled with the 'wild bunch' of hardcores on BOTW1 & 2 (I think on 2). I followed him up Wrecking Ball and for a guy on 33's he sure doesn't get hung up much. :)

Now my opinion on the exo is that it's trash if it's not triangulated and something like the O-limp-ick exo will cause more damage then prevent. If you lean your lower quarter into that exo it's going to transfer the damage all the way up your quarter & maybe even take out the window. That thing is for mall wheelers only.

If you do an exo, tie it in through plates on the body either to an interior cage or run some supports across the interior to each side. This will keep it from smashing in on itself and actually do something for supporting itself. Sure you'll have to drill some holes in your body but it's better than little tube dimples all the way up the side of your body.

(Boy, and I thought I caught flack for knocking the stereo XJ last week..... :rolleyes: )

[dave]

just to clear it up.. my pig is a DD .. and it'll be making a 12 hour trek to indiana next month when i move.. and my cage will be in before that...

[rockwerks]

furthermore, it sounds ridiculous for a non-member to go on saying which posts are a waste of bandwidth.....Naxja members pay for bandwidth, and we'll decide whose posts are inefficient.....

WELL SAID...... KarmirXJ from what I have seen if it just aint the way you would do it its gotta be wrong....you tend to be abusive to alot on these posts...maybe you should read what you write before you hit reply.

An exo if not tied in correctly into the body will not be of much good...I intend to exo the front of my MJ, I will tie it to a tube flat bed that will be on the frame, and tie into the B pillar on the roof and side, tie into the A pillar on the roof line bend and at the hood line with tube following the doors infront and rear fender tubes tied to front bumper and 1/4" rocker panels...for strength n a uni without an interior cage you must tie it into the strongest structure available and gusset as possible...tie ins should be flat plate both inside and outside of roof I plan to use 1/8" plate inside under headliner continious from plate to plate to spread the load from a pillar to b pillar