school shooting

[riverfever]

Yep...another one today in Wisconsin. Guess the copy cats are gonna come out of the woodwork for a bit here.

http://www.topix.net/content/ap/2042132236183278559629955978380486911600

[planefixer]

It was a former student.He went in and shot the principal.

[zachxj01]

maybe now people will learn to stop making fun of kids because now a days they will proably come to school and shoot you..........crazy stuff

[OT]

Guess the copy cats are gonna come out of the woodwork for a bit here.


Guess you were right.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061002/ap_on_re_us/amish_school_shooting

[Beej]

maybe now people will learn to stop making fun of kids because now a days they will proably come to school and shoot you..........crazy stuff Who "makes fun of kids"?

:dunno:

[dzolcali]

maybe now people will learn to stop making fun of kids because now a days they will proably come to school and shoot you..........crazy stuff

zachxj your gay...j/k j/k don't shoot me man I was juss playin

[OT]

Who "makes fun of kids"?

:dunno:
dzol does, apparently......

[dzolcali]

w/e I was making fun with zach see we are friends now tell him zach

[dzolcali]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061002/ap_on_re_us/amish_school_shooting

and another one...

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061002/ap_on_re_us/amish_school_shooting

and another one...Guess you were right.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061002/ap_on_re_us/amish_school_shooting
Der.......
:dunce:

[rock rash]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061002/ap_on_re_us/amish_school_shooting

and another one...

ummm...did you read terrys?

[rock rash]

haha, terry beat me....ahh damn it

[texinteg]

Yeah the one about the amish school here in pa is really sad.

[muddinxj04]

I say, if u catch the kids, and they're still alive...bring back hanging....i dont care about their rights anymore...they(the shooters) dont have rights

[CRASH]

they(the shooters) dont have rights


Doesn't that attitude undermine 230 years of legal precedent?

[OT]

What's sad is, not even the Amish are safe, anymore.:confused1

[UNCC_99XJ]

Who "makes fun of kids"?

:dunno:

I hate to agree with whats his name, but teasing still goes on in school today...and it's alot worse than people think

[Tradesman300]

Doesn't that attitude undermine 230 years of legal precedent?

I am just guessing here, but I think he was meaning he didn't care about thier feelings and that hanging would be a 'good' way of discouraging others from going down the same path.

[johnlv6]

I say, if u catch the kids, and they're still alive...bring back hanging....i dont care about their rights anymore...they(the shooters) dont have rights

The guy that shot up the Amish school was a 32 year old truck driver.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061002/ap_on_re_us/amish_school_shooting;_ylt=AqvshhWefCTQTAbLOWh9udF L.IcA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

[riverfever]

Pretty crazy stuff really. Seems like the world is changing so drastically. I see so many angry kids in school.

[johnlv6]

Pretty crazy stuff really. Seems like the world is changing so drastically. I see so many angry kids in school.

I just can't imagine hanging onto it for 20 years like that guy.

[riverfever]

I just can't imagine hanging onto it for 20 years like that guy.

I'm going to guess that there's a high likelihood that there was some mental illness involved. If he was sexually abused...it was haunting him each and every day.

Look at the changes over the years. Parenting styles are vastly different, there is less of the "it takes a village to raise a kid" mentality now (IMO...b/c parenting styles are so different now), the increased usage of video games and predominantly violent ones at that, violence in music. Yes, we listened to Metallica, Ozzy and some others but lyrically, it's worse today. I'm not trying to make excuses. A lot of kids can play the games and listen to the music but the kids I work with can't make rational decisions yet. Chronologically speaking, they are 14 year olds but developmentally, they average 8-10. It makes me sad.

[zachxj01]

w/e I was making fun with zach see we are friends now tell him zach ehh were not friends and i read a whole post about you and people making fun of you for about 8 pages so i am not gonna make fun of you in fear u may shoot me:looser: except for that cuase that is just funny

[dzolcali]

haha, right....
I blame all this on the parents and the upbringings of these little bastards. I mean who teaches a kid or gives a kid a gun or even shows them what a gun looks like at that age. The other thing I would blame it on is all the misuse of pyschological drugs that kids and adults are consuming like vitamins these days. I bet 100 bucks if I wanted any random pill for my own personal pleasure I could go to the doctor and ask to be prescribed it for "said" condition and they would diagnose and prescribe me with it no questions asked. I've seen countless people at my work doing this and even more at school and etc...

but a drug I would really like to get my hands on is that designer drug that allows you to see in infared thats pretty bad ass.

[johnlv6]

I'm going to guess that there's a high likelihood that there was some mental illness involved. If he was sexually abused...it was haunting him each and every day.


I'm sure there must have been. I can't imagine what a younger girl would have done to him that would stick with him that long though (the young girls were his specific target).

[Hellbent]

in the end, regardless of anything else(except maybe delusions, brought on by severe mental illness), it all comes down to personal responsibility. you chose what you do. there's almost no way to predict when someone will chose to punish other people with a misplaced anger borne of inferiority and/or their inability to deal with living an imperfect life. f*ck blaming this-and-that; how about being a good, strong person? or is that an outdated mode of thinking? jmho

[ECKSJAY]

haha, right....
I blame all this on the parents and the upbringings of these little bastards. I mean who teaches a kid or gives a kid a gun or even shows them what a gun looks like at that age.

Responsibility is showing the children what firearms are and that they should respect them. If you don't shroud it in mystery there will be no dangerous curiousity. Children who are educated are less likely to be involved in negligent discharges or intentional, malicious acts. Plenty of cases where a kid 'in the know' averted danger by doing the right thing. My 5 year old daughter watches me shoot at the range and has a profound respect for firearms. She has been watching me shoot shotgun, rifle, and pistol since before she could even walk. I've got a modified Crosman pump pellet gun, stock shortened to her length of pull, that she has been learning with. In a couple of weeks we'll be taking a bird-hunting trip together. She won't be doing any shooting, but will be carrying her own unloaded pellet gun. I'm teaching her the safety of firearms handling and tradition of hunting. That, IMHO, is the best way to open doors for a child and get them involved. Television is SO overrated and is for those who aren't capable of imagination.

[goodburbon]

Responsibility is showing the children what firearms are and that they should respect them. If you don't shroud it in mystery there will be no dangerous curiousity. Children who are educated are less likely to be involved in negligent discharges or intentional, malicious acts. Plenty of cases where a kid 'in the know' averted danger by doing the right thing. My 5 year old daughter watches me shoot at the range and has a profound respect for firearms. She has been watching me shoot shotgun, rifle, and pistol since before she could even walk. I've got a modified Crosman pump pellet gun, stock shortened to her length of pull, that she has been learning with. In a couple of weeks we'll be taking a bird-hunting trip together. She won't be doing any shooting, but will be carrying her own unloaded pellet gun. I'm teaching her the safety of firearms handling and tradition of hunting. That, IMHO, is the best way to open doors for a child and get them involved. Television is SO overrated and is for those who aren't capable of imagination.

X a brazillian

I got a bow and arrows when I was 8 and my first air rifle when I was 9. I was taught to respect firearms and handle them with care from a very early age. I was given my first shotgun at 11 and rifle at 13. We brought firearms to school, no one ever thought of using them there. There were many occasions when we had ammunition in our backpacks from the hunt the weekend before, guns under the seat, etc. They cracked down on it while I was there, installed metal detectors and got serious about punishment. Look at the good that's done.

The odd thing is that my father isn't a hunter. He has hunted, but he hasn't been since the last time he took me when I was 12.
:dunno:

[riverfever]

Absolutely. It makes zero sense to give a kid a video game where he/she can shoot and kill people and NOT explain that what they are doing isn't reality. I was exposed to guns (first an air gun) at probably the 5th grade and then was gradually showed "real" guns as I earned it through responsibility. I still feel education is key.

[DaJudge]

Absolutely. It makes zero sense to give a kid a video game where he/she can shoot and kill people and NOT explain that what they are doing isn't reality. I was exposed to guns (first an air gun) at probably the 5th grade and then was gradually showed "real" guns as I earned it through responsibility. I still feel education is key.

X2...I grew up with guns. Rifles, shotguns, hand guns. We were taught the responsible use of firearms and more importantly to respect others and respect life. All of us new there was a loaded handgun in my dads dresser. None of us ever thought of touching it. Of course as River brought out things are different. My parents didn't worry that if they slapped us in public the state would arrest them and take us away from them.

[ECKSJAY]

X2...I grew up with guns. Rifles, shotguns, hand guns. We were taught the responsible use of firearms and more importantly to respect others and respect life. All of us new there was a loaded handgun in my dads dresser. None of us ever thought of touching it. Of course as River brought out things are different. My parents didn't worry that if they slapped us in public the state would arrest them and take us away from them.

Oddly enough, I DIDN'T grow up with firearms in ready use. Dad had an old Springfield trapdoor .45-70 (now mine!) that was always in the old case in his closet, unlocked. I knew where the box of cartridges were, but never even had the thought to look at the thing. Dad made it a point to show my brother and I when we were very young, even demonstrating it to us when we'd go back to the grandparents' farm in NoDak. We knew the power it had and respected it. Dad NEVER denied us looking at it if we asked. I got my first and only air rifle when I was 11, from saving up lawnmowing money. :) I set up a trap in the backyard and Dad showed me how to use it properly, making sure I understood the safety rules in the book. Dad grew up hunting on the farm but never went since I was born. We all shot blackbirds on the farm in the Summer when we'd visit, but never went on an actual hunt together. When I was 16 I started volunteering with a police dept and through that was subjected to my first formal firearms training. Since then I've been a rifle and pistol basic marksmanship instructor and have taken many advanced courses in '3-gun'. I was formally introduced to hunting by a very good friend in the Army who began hunting with a .410 shotgun at the age of 6. ;) Mike is now a hunting guide in El Paso, TX and is taking me on a hunt in January. I can't wait to get back there with him!

I always make it a point to remember the roots and to educate the uneducated. I also advocate personal responsibility. Nobody should be there to hold your hand. Seek your own answers. Those asked these questions should give the answers to the best of their knowledge/ability. If they don't know the answers, seek out the answers together.

[IcedXJ]

I always make it a point to remember the roots and to educate the uneducated. I also advocate personal responsibility. Nobody should be there to hold your hand. Seek your own answers. Those asked these questions should give the answers to the best of their knowledge/ability. If they don't know the answers, seek out the answers together.
That is quite a good point.

On a side note, I am gonna make it my sig...muhahaha

[ECKSJAY]

That is quite a good point.

On a side note, I am gonna make it my sig...muhahaha

Flattered, thanks. :)

[IcedXJ]

Flattered, thanks. :)
He's blushing, I will make my move :laugh2:

[dzolcali]

Responsibility is showing the children what firearms are and that they should respect them. If you don't shroud it in mystery there will be no dangerous curiousity. Children who are educated are less likely to be involved in negligent discharges or intentional, malicious acts. Plenty of cases where a kid 'in the know' averted danger by doing the right thing. My 5 year old daughter watches me shoot at the range and has a profound respect for firearms. She has been watching me shoot shotgun, rifle, and pistol since before she could even walk. I've got a modified Crosman pump pellet gun, stock shortened to her length of pull, that she has been learning with. In a couple of weeks we'll be taking a bird-hunting trip together. She won't be doing any shooting, but will be carrying her own unloaded pellet gun. I'm teaching her the safety of firearms handling and tradition of hunting. That, IMHO, is the best way to open doors for a child and get them involved. Television is SO overrated and is for those who aren't capable of imagination.

I have to disagree, I never had a father figure or guns in the house. Never had access to a gun, never knew how to shoot one, and never had respect or lack of respect for a gun. But I gaurantee if there was a gun in the house, whether I respected it or not, if it came down to some moment in my 5 6 or 13 year old brain that i needed to shoot someone, respect or not, I would know where to locate the gun, and how to operate it. I agree with the right to bear arms but it is a double edged sword...

[ECKSJAY]

I have to disagree, I never had a father figure or guns in the house. Never had access to a gun, never knew how to shoot one, and never had respect or lack of respect for a gun. But I gaurantee if there was a gun in the house, whether I respected it or not, if it came down to some moment in my 5 6 or 13 year old brain that i needed to shoot someone, respect or not, I would know where to locate the gun, and how to operate it. I agree with the right to bear arms but it is a double edged sword...

The key in my equation is the locked gun safe. 5yo girl with no clue how to open the safe = no need to worry. I never said I advocated irresponsible ownership and storage.:rtm:

No father figure? You don't say...

[8Mud]

We've been succesfully indoctrinated, that guns equate with violence. If the firearms were tio disappear, the violence would stop.
Guns are used to cause bodily harm, because in many instances they are the learned proper tool for the job.
I'd be willing to bet, the instances of assault intended to cause death are fairly constant, between cultures, irregardless of the firearm laws.
Here in Germany, they are much more likely to design a fatal accident or by the less imaginative, use arson as a weapon. Maybe a Mercedes in a moment of rage.
I've said it before and will say it again. A certain percentage of the population is just plain dangerous. In stages from 1% to almost 15%, by the degree of there danger and the probability it will manifest. If it wasn't a gun, it would likely be something else, like a machette, an axe, a malatov cocktail, a motor vehicle or whatever, let your imagination run wild.
I'd actually feel safer, if the fairly stable 63% of the population, all had firearms and were self policing.
If guns never existed and/or ceased to exist, the numbers of homicides, would likely still be fairly constant. Maybe then they would try to outlaw any sharp edged tool, then all flamable liquids etc. ad nausium.

[Beej]

See? Once again, guns kill people.


Discuss...

:D

[dzolcali]

I'd actually feel safer, if the fairly stable 63% of the population, all had firearms and were self policing.
If guns never existed and/or ceased to exist, the numbers of homicides, would likely still be fairly constant. Maybe then they would try to outlaw any sharp edged tool, then all flamable liquids etc. ad nausium.

agreed except maybe the number of homicides I think they would be lower still, but you would have to admit those who are intending on killing someone regardless of weapon, if you took away the guns there would be a lot messier murders and so forth. i.e. stabbing is bloodier than shooting in most cases, and chopping heads off or w/e also.

Then we gotta pay more janitors and crime scene clean up guys and things just get hairy after that.

[Beej]

agreed except maybe the number of homicides I think they would be lower still, but you would have to admit those who are intending on killing someone regardless of weapon, if you took away the guns there would be a lot messier murders and so forth. i.e. stabbing is bloodier than shooting in most cases, and chopping heads off or w/e also.

Then we gotta pay more janitors and crime scene clean up guys and things just get hairy after that. Actually, if you take away guns, you get a lot less murders in general. Look at pretty much every other first world country in the world...

[Matthew Currie]

Actually, if you take away guns, you get a lot less murders in general. Look at pretty much every other first world country in the world...

That may be so, but I have heard some fairly convincing arguments that it isn't as simple as that. There's a cultural aspect to it too, and not a lot of evidence that murders, including murders with guns, were more frequent when guns were permitted in some of those places. I can't remember the reference now, but I recall reading a study of British murder statistics comparing current rates to those when guns were entirely unregulated and carrying a pistol was relatively routine. Of course if you can't get your hands on a gun, you can't shoot anybody, but then again, here I sit in the "safest state of the union," where guns are unregulated, anybody can carry, and where the voters elected a socialist to congress in part because the hunters were pissed off when his republican opponent backed assault rifle legislation. It's a messy and complicated world.

[OT]

See? Once again, guns kill people.


Discuss...

:D
Someone on here has, in their signature, the quote, "If guns kill people, can I blame misspelled words on my pencil?".
If they did away with pencils, don't you think people would just use another tool for spreading the written word?

That pretty much shoots down your theory.......:thumbdn::laugh3:

[Beej]

Someone on here has, in their signature, the quote, "If guns kill people, can I blame misspelled words on my pencil?".
If they did away with pencils, don't you think people would just use another tool for spreading the written word?

That pretty much shoots down your theory.......:thumbdn::laugh3: Well, it all depends on how you look at it. I think pencils should be banned as well, because misspellings are CRIMINAL. As well, a person could jam a pencil into another guy's neck thereby making pencils kill people too...

:dunno:

[OT]

I think Canada kills people.

[Beej]

I think Canada kills people. Technically, yes. But the US kills more...

:moon:

[Beej]

People kill themselves too.

Should we be banned?

Discuss...

[OT]

People kill themselves too.

Should we be banned?

Discuss...
No but I'm starting to wish we never talked you into reupping.....

[dzolcali]

cisco kid was a friend of mine...:)

[chelms27]

I believe 100% in death by beatings for those who kill others, and those who rape women and play with children!!

[Hellbent]

a gun can't kill someone on it's own....

[riverfever]

I believe 100% in death by beatings for those who kill others, and those who rape women and play with children!!

That's putting it mildly.

[chelms27]

I don't think there is any reason to treat someone who commits such horrible crimes mildly. IMO, they should just get them over with so our taxes don't have to feed them for the rest of their lives.

[riverfever]

Oh no no...I'm in FULL agreement with you. Actually...I tend to think the consequences should be far worse than eye for an eye. I just didn't want to get vulger is all. :eek:

[chelms27]

oh good, I am glad you agree and your not a flaming liberal, I would like to get a lot more vulger, but then you would all think I am a physco myself. Some things I just need to keep to myself, good luck finding an FJ.

[muddinxj04]

I don't think there is any reason to treat someone who commits such horrible crimes mildly. IMO, they should just get them over with so our taxes don't have to feed them for the rest of their lives.
that's what i was sayin....i believe ron white agrees with us too :-) and he's always right

[dzolcali]

oh good, I am glad you agree and your not a flaming liberal, I would like to get a lot more vulger, but then you would all think I am a physco myself. Some things I just need to keep to myself, good luck finding an FJ.

so what happens when you kill or beat to death the wrong guy. Lets say the guy who really did get consent from a girl and then she lied about it. Or the guy who just was in the wrong place at the wrong time and got convicted of murder or something. And don't act like it doesn't happen...it happens all the time. I think a lot of you super nazi's should take a look at yourself to see who is the one with the real issues. Lets just cut peoples hands off for stealing and do public executions like the arabs do to people who don't conform to your norms. Freaking right wing retards, theres too many I tell you. Not saying i'm anti punishment or Mr. liberal but i'm def not a jar head.

[goodburbon]

I'm not super nazi, but I do not understand why we don't let suicidal prisoners kill themselves.

[dzolcali]

same reason NC has God in the preamble...cause if you kill yourself you go to hell...plus it's cheaper to pay for you to live for 60 years instead of have a janitor clean up your brains one time and bury you.

[RichP]

See? Once again, guns kill people.


Discuss...

:D

Flat out untrue, I would bet anyone a million dollars I could lay one of my colts on table, locked cocked and loaded and it wont shoot ANYONE by itself, guaranteed....

[riverfever]

so what happens when you kill or beat to death the wrong guy. Lets say the guy who really did get consent from a girl and then she lied about it. Or the guy who just was in the wrong place at the wrong time and got convicted of murder or something. And don't act like it doesn't happen...it happens all the time. I think a lot of you super nazi's should take a look at yourself to see who is the one with the real issues. Lets just cut peoples hands off for stealing and do public executions like the arabs do to people who don't conform to your norms. Freaking right wing retards, theres too many I tell you. Not saying i'm anti punishment or Mr. liberal but i'm def not a jar head.

Perhaps a jug head? :D

Maybe even a chowder head?

[chelms27]

Perhaps a jug head? :D

Maybe even a chowder head?

X2,
I am not at all Nazi, and what do you know about what arabs do? Jar-head? There is no reason to try and offend Marines when they are making it so you can live here peacefully and write liberal posts(drozocali?) Hang them beat them whatever...once proven guilty beyond a doubt, and I am saying beat the obvious killlers like OJ Simpson(piece of shi$).

:hang:

[chelms27]

Flat out untrue, I would bet anyone a million dollars I could lay one of my colts on table, locked cocked and loaded and it wont shoot ANYONE by itself, guaranteed....
:roflmao:

[zachxj01]

so what happens when you kill or beat to death the wrong guy. Lets say the guy who really did get consent from a girl and then she lied about it. Or the guy who just was in the wrong place at the wrong time and got convicted of murder or something. And don't act like it doesn't happen...it happens all the time. I think a lot of you super nazi's should take a look at yourself to see who is the one with the real issues. Lets just cut peoples hands off for stealing and do public executions like the arabs do to people who don't conform to your norms. Freaking right wing retards, theres too many I tell you. Not saying i'm anti punishment or Mr. liberal but i'm def not a jar head. :hang:you are a liberal and a idiot......just my opinion

[chelms27]

:hang:you are a liberal and an idiot......just my opinion

X2

[dzolcali]

X2

jar head means absence of brains...I'm sure it was dubbed to marines...my dad is a marine so I can say what I want about them, so is my uncle, my cousin is in the navy, other uncle is a cop...get real.

I'm not super liberal, I'm also not an idiot, but I suppose you have a right to an opinion so w/e.

maybe OJ was guilty but thats not for you to decide it's for the jury, and evidently that jury decided he wasn't guilty and they represent the people so maybe there were factors in that case that you and the rest of america didn't get to see on TV so how about quit being a moron and have some faith in your own judicial system. But on a side note, there are errors in the instance a guilty man gets off free you think a innocent man never gets imprisoned or charged with crimes he didn't commit...get real...

ya'll can x2 each other to hell with this dumb crap but im not gonna budge an inch on my morals and upbringings, fortunately numb skulls like you don't run america or it would be more like cuba.

[OT]

jar head means absence of brains...I'm sure it was dubbed to marines...my dad is a marine so I can say what I want about them, so is my uncle, my cousin is in the navy, other uncle is a cop...get real.

I'm not super liberal, I'm also not an idiot, but I suppose you have a right to an opinion so w/e.

maybe OJ was guilty but thats not for you to decide it's for the jury, and evidently that jury decided he wasn't guilty and they represent the people so maybe there were factors in that case that you and the rest of america didn't get to see on TV so how about quit being a moron and have some faith in your own judicial system. But on a side note, there are errors in the instance a guilty man gets off free you think a innocent man never gets imprisoned or charged with crimes he didn't commit...get real...

ya'll can x2 each other to hell with this dumb crap but im not gonna budge an inch on my morals and upbringings, fortunately numb skulls like you don't run america or it would be more like cuba.
Honestly, I can't argue with most of what you have said in this thread, other than the OJ part. Hell I was stationed in Germany, at that time and even I knew what was going on in that courtroom everyday.
In this instance I think the name callers are feeling threatened by rather good points.
Talk on dzol.
Way to keep your head.:thumbup:

[riverfever]

I definitely don't feel threatened. I was actually just joshing with the lad. I figured the smiley would have given it away. :D

Wait that one wasn't effective last time. Is this better? :smootch:

[ECKSJAY]

my dad is a marine

Always deployed?

I never had a father figure or guns in the house.

:gag:

[dzolcali]

Always deployed?



:gag:

ah you got me, actually now that I recall we did have guns in the house, lots of them but that was before I even went to first grade...my father dipped out on my mom and sister and I and wouldn't pay child support. He has sense came back and paid his dues and has much love from me however I talk to him maybe once every 5 months long distance on the phone for all of five minutes. My father bow hunted and had many various types of guns stored in the closet openly available for me to use. At that time period in my life however it didn't interest me what so ever. He never showed them to me or showed me how to use them but I did glance at them occasionally when putting my shoes in the shoe closet. I believe he was in the National Gaurd at that point in time in my life though.

[ECKSJAY]

ah you got me, actually now that I recall we did have guns in the house, lots of them but that was before I even went to first grade...my father dipped out on my mom and sister and I and wouldn't pay child support. He has sense came back and paid his dues and has much love from me however I talk to him maybe once every 5 months long distance on the phone for all of five minutes. My father bow hunted and had many various types of guns stored in the closet openly available for me to use. At that time period in my life however it didn't interest me what so ever. He never showed them to me or showed me how to use them but I did glance at them occasionally when putting my shoes in the shoe closet. I believe he was in the National Gaurd at that point in time in my life though.

Priceless.

Backpedal on the entire thread. Fawkin' classic.

*flush*

[dzolcali]

I still stand firm in what I said before...In fact in the town I grew up in, there were a couple individuals who carried guns to school. For instance second grade a fellow named justin(I know his last name but won't put it on here for his identity) who brought a small pistol into the classroom that he got from his father.
Another example would be the two seperate incidents that a pistol was pointed at me at school, once in a class room and once in a bathroom asking for my wallet. And trust me I wasn't at all provoking this type of behavior it was very typical of most students at that school, I usually carried a small pocket knife in my third pocket for protection from other students.
Here is another example, one of my best friends when I was middle school decided to take his mothers .38 special and shoot it around in the house one afternoon while she wasn't there because she pissed him off. Now had she either not owned a gun, or been responsible and put it in a case or w/e then i'm sure that wouldn't have happened. Hilarious none the less because his mom was a freaking bitch and def. deserved the holes in the walls.

see the thing about putting a gun in a case for "protection" makes no sense to me, you lock it up and thena burglar comes in the house, it's night time or what have you, and your going to go piflering around in the dark looking for your gun case and unlocking it to protect your family.
On the other hand, if you have a gun out or in a convient place where it is easily obtainable, then it does serve a more effecient means of protection in this scenario, however then it presumes the threat of a child or other person misusing the gun and it being linked back to your own negligence.

[Skullver]

That is why i pull my pistol out of the safe everynight before bed and lock it back up when I wake up. If parents taught kids proper gun handling techniques, they wouldn't think it is a toy


I still stand firm in what I said before...In fact in the town I grew up in, there were a couple individuals who carried guns to school. For instance second grade a fellow named justin(I know his last name but won't put it on here for his identity) who brought a small pistol into the classroom that he got from his father.
Another example would be the two seperate incidents that a pistol was pointed at me at school, once in a class room and once in a bathroom asking for my wallet. And trust me I wasn't at all provoking this type of behavior it was very typical of most students at that school, I usually carried a small pocket knife in my third pocket for protection from other students.
Here is another example, one of my best friends when I was middle school decided to take his mothers .38 special and shoot it around in the house one afternoon while she wasn't there because she pissed him off. Now had she either not owned a gun, or been responsible and put it in a case or w/e then i'm sure that wouldn't have happened. Hilarious none the less because his mom was a freaking bitch and def. deserved the holes in the walls.

see the thing about putting a gun in a case for "protection" makes no sense to me, you lock it up and thena burglar comes in the house, it's night time or what have you, and your going to go piflering around in the dark looking for your gun case and unlocking it to protect your family.
On the other hand, if you have a gun out or in a convient place where it is easily obtainable, then it does serve a more effecient means of protection in this scenario, however then it presumes the threat of a child or other person misusing the gun and it being linked back to your own negligence.

[ECKSJAY]

see the thing about putting a gun in a case for "protection" makes no sense to me, you lock it up and thena burglar comes in the house, it's night time or what have you, and your going to go piflering around in the dark looking for your gun case and unlocking it to protect your family.
On the other hand, if you have a gun out or in a convient place where it is easily obtainable, then it does serve a more effecient means of protection in this scenario, however then it presumes the threat of a child or other person misusing the gun and it being linked back to your own negligence.

Incorrect. It is still very possible to have ready access to firearms while keeping them out of the wrong hands. You have much to learn, kiddo.

You are still a backpedaling turd. :looser:

[RichP]

One of the advantages of building your own house is being able to add little hidey holes in convienent spots. Then it's just a matter of cycling magazines on the semi's so the springs get a chance to relax every 3 months or so. An unloaded gun is useless though like a 12ga pump in dead of night being racked the same can also be said of a 1911 being cycled, might give a house breaker a change of mind...

[ECKSJAY]

Then it's just a matter of cycling magazines on the semi's so the springs get a chance to relax every 3 months or so.
Myth.
though like a 12ga pump in dead of night being racked the same can also be said of a 1911 being cycled, might give a house breaker a change of mind...
Cycling a weapon means it was out of battery to begin with. Home invaders don't make little tiny noises that wake you up in the dead of night like they do on TV. Chambering a firearm to intimidate is as retarded as firing warning shots. You pull it out to use it, not to play pretend. Why not just shout, 'I've got a gun...get out of my house!' while you're holding it at the low ready?

Take your ignorant hillbilly advice and...well, you know what to do with it.

[riverfever]

I saw a quick article on MSN about a representative from Wisonsin that is proposing that schools allow some teachers, administrators to carry concealed (with proper training). Anyone else catch this? I guess some schools in other countries (Taiwan being one that I remember) do this.

[dzolcali]

umm thats really not smart....wasn't it a 32 year old guy who killed those amish kids...teachers are around that age usually so it's not just kids at school shootings anymore. NO GUNS IN SCHOOL

make some metal detectors or something or like my school did hire a couple cops to walk the halls all day and break up fights and arrest people who have guns.

[riverfever]

[quote=dzolcali]umm thats really not smart....wasn't it a 32 year old guy who killed those amish kids...teachers are around that age usually so it's not just kids at school shootings anymore.

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The way that you're comparing the shooter from the Amish school to any teacher is one of the dumbest things I've heard all day (and I work with the mentally retarded). You'd like to base the decision to give teachers a gun or not simply b/c of their age and the fact that one of the recent shooters is of the same age? What the hell does age have to do with it anyway?

With districts having budget cuts all the time that deal with cutting out curriculum, the overwhelming majority can't even discuss hiring security. Here we have many small towns in the mountains. The cops teach resource but they are predominantly here to do that or if we have a problem. They certainly can't hang out all day and wait for the next possible tragedy.

[chelms27]

Anyone watch the dateline NBC show tonight? the people coming to have sex with a 13 yr old girl? they where all a bunch of XXXXXXs( even the marines) and started crying an lying. They should have been beaten by one hundred 13 year old girls until...well you get it. Sick peces of shi$ make me want to vomit!

[dzolcali]

[quote=dzolcali]umm thats really not smart....wasn't it a 32 year old guy who killed those amish kids...teachers are around that age usually so it's not just kids at school shootings anymore.

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The way that you're comparing the shooter from the Amish school to any teacher is one of the dumbest things I've heard all day (and I work with the mentally retarded). You'd like to base the decision to give teachers a gun or not simply b/c of their age and the fact that one of the recent shooters is of the same age? What the hell does age have to do with it anyway?

With districts having budget cuts all the time that deal with cutting out curriculum, the overwhelming majority can't even discuss hiring security. Here we have many small towns in the mountains. The cops teach resource but they are predominantly here to do that or if we have a problem. They certainly can't hang out all day and wait for the next possible tragedy.

dude w/e you make about | | much sense to me. Your trying to negate what I said and say a bunch of bs because it sounds cool to other people here. But you know what my point was..acknowledge it or not everyones got something to say to fit in with the crowd so just let it out man...say what you gotta say and be gone, i'm not trying to hear that sht right now you feel me?

[need4speedjp]

yeah i saw it, the one guy couldnt wait to start taking his clothse off, and he took a bus and a taxi 5 hrs, the Worst part was the 40 year old cancer doctor. bunch of dusch bags.

[goodburbon]

Drizzle, you are way off base with your assessment. Arming teachers would be the equivalent of arming the cabin crew of a jet liner. It just makes sense as a cost effective deterrent.

[dzolcali]

no it doesn't. PERIOD. Your trying to see something but your not looking on both sides just straight ahead cause thats what you want to think would fix a problem Obviously my point from above...a 32 year old what was it postal delivery guy. OK he snaps and kills a buncha kids. So your solution give some teachers guns...do you hear yourselves talking seriously? Hey we get robbed at my store all the time, lets give all these fcking crackhead people at my work guns too so they can shoot the robber, or flat out scare anyone who wants to come in and buy from us. I'm not off base with my assessment you two are brown in the eyes with moronic jibber jabber about arming teachers. Maybe your in control with YOUR arms...but dont assume the general population or even teachers are capable of being responsible with a gun or effective by carrying one. wtf is an old lady english teacher going to do with a gun in the instance of something serious...Hey river maybe you should arm all those retards you work with too that way if anything ever goes down they can fend for themselves. How about setting a good example for kids and following procedure NO GUNS on school premises that sounds wise to me. I'm sorry man but on this one I just gotta say

DUMB DUMB DUMB...STUPID AND DUMB

[anodyne33]

1. It's obvious that you have no experience, and therefore no level of comfort with firearms. These things go together if you're taught how to treat and handle firearms corectly.

2. I don't think anybody suggested that random teachers/professors be handed handguns, which seems to be what you're imagining.

[dzolcali]

i love shooting guns :) I'm purty good at it too but, i disagree anything else?

[riverfever]

First of all...When did I say that I was in favor of teachers carrying? I simply asked if anyone saw the article. You made the assinine statement that teachers shouldn't carry b/c some fall into the same age group as the Pennsylvania shooter.

Second...get all your facts together before you go spouting off at the mouth. You'll sound a bit less uneducated/troll-like. The shooter in the Amish school was not a postal worker. He was a milkman with a wicked past.
:twak:

[riverfever]

i love shooting guns :) I'm purty good at it too but, i disagree anything else?

Yeah...with proper usage of grammar?

[dzolcali]

i love shooting guns :) I'm purty good at it too but, i disagree anything else?

Yeah...with proper usage of grammar?

I disagree, Anything else? You think for someone so smart you would be able to cypher through tiny errors like that but...again my assanine assumptions got the best of me.

as far as the mix up between postal service worker and milkman...I didn't even know they still were milkmen in the world that must be one of them there hillbilly towns, and I think i'll spout off at the mouth as much as I feel like it unlessen you plan on doing something to prevent me from doing that. arrivaderla

[Lawn Cher']

arrivaderla

They speak English in What?

That isn't even the Italian you tried to use.

[dzolcali]

i know they got good burgers in what, and tasty beverages.