2008 Superduty

[IntrepidXJ]

didn;t see this posted here, so i thought i would share.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09/28/2008-ford-super-duty-unveiled-f-250-f-350-f-450/

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9387/22008fordsuperdutyf250350450zx8.jpg

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/1074/32008fordsuperdutyf250350450gc5.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6085/42008fordsuperdutyf250350450jy4.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3069/62008fordsuperdutyf250350450hg3.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/5397/72008fordsuperdutyf250350450hy4.jpg

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/496/182008fordsuperdutyf250350450cj5.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/4797/282008fordsuperdutyf250350450kt1.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9917/332008fordsuperdutyf250350450rs5.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8930/392008fordsuperdutyf250350450gb0.jpg

[bjoehandley]

I can't decide which sucks worse, the nose or the interior.

[IntrepidXJ]

i kinda like it, actually

[Menzenski]

Wow. That F-450 is sexy:

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/1-2008-ford-super-duty-f-250-350-450.jpg

[GSequoia]

Holy ugly headlamps Batman!

[Dirt]

I think the new body Ford trucks are THE most uncomfortable vehicle to ride in/drive.

[Fairmonco]

only 650 ft.lbs of Torque too!

[bigbadwolf54]

i saw 4 of them at the gas station today. they have a camo tape on things.

[old_man]

What sucks the most is...................the payments.

[Ramsey]

snazzy interior

[johnlv6]

I can't decide which sucks worse, the nose or the interior.

The interior.

[Dirk Pitt]

We make the planetary gear carriers at work for the transmission behind the PSD. I can tell you that the next generation is designed to handle 30% more incoming torque. Whether or not the engine will actually make that from the factory, I don't know.

This trans will not go in the trucks for a few years...

[88flexj]

I like it. I have always had good luck with the Ford trucks. That F-450 is sexy.

[Blkxjkrawler]

just thinking about that new motor makes me kick myself for being Ford Diesel certified. that thing is going to be a major PITA

[johnlv6]

I would drive this monster though :).

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/johnl24vvr6/Other%20stuff/DSC01220.jpg

[DrMoab]

I don't know what sucks worse...the fact that its just another stupid Ford or the fact that its just another stupid Ford.

[87manche]

I would drive this monster though :).

]
in the post apocalyptic world that thing would kick ass.

[imma honky]

There is a company here in disgusta that makes the steps for the 650's.
Supposedly the only place on the east coast.
They be nice.
But I'd rather have an International.
They look better.

[DrMoab]

There is a company here in disgusta that makes the steps for the 650's.
Supposedly the only place on the east coast.
They be nice.
But I'd rather have an International.
They look better.
Still have the same shitty motor though.

[imma honky]

Still have the same shitty motor though.
They do?
Shows how much I know about em!

[jeepdude10000]

i think i will stay with the dodge and Cummins Turbo Power!

[DrMoab]

i think i will stay with the dodge and Cummins Turbo Power!
X2! Buddy....None of that Intertrashanel crap for me.

[OT]

Defintely not as good as the Cummins, but at least the International is better than the Isuzu Diesel in the Chevy.

[DrMoab]

Defintely not as good as the Cummins, but at least the International is better than the Isuzu Diesel in the Chevy.
I dunno about that totally but I do know that V-8s and Diesel fuel shouldn't be mixed.

[Canopener]

We have only had three powerstrokes in the last month die at work. All around 120,000 miles. At least there only 50 of them.

[jeepdude10000]

Defintely not as good as the Cummins, but at least the International is better than the Isuzu Diesel in the Chevy.

ok u take a look on how many service bullatins are up for the ford international diesel, i belive over 200, chevy diesel has around 15, and the dodge cummins has 2.

now witch one is better?????????//:twak:

[OT]

Personal preferrence.
You can watch the service bulletins, I'll stick to personal experience.

[PstrKd4BrthCntrll]

I dont really see why everyone hates on international. The local highschool is useing brand new International school buses. I've seen a lot of tow truck/flat beds that are International. A lot of the local car transport drivers[I work at a dealership] use Internationals to tow 3-4car trailers. And I've talked to them and they seem to have good luck with them. My dad is a Product Manager[i think thats his offical title] with International. I've watched a few of their training DVD's. I'd pimp a CXT.. But if I were to get a smaller diesel. I'd get a Cummins Ram.

My buddy has a 02 Powerstroke. He likes it and hasnt had any problems with it...

Also in the past Diesel mag, the Duramax was the fastest truck in thier little shotout. Put up something like a 12sec 1/4 mile. I'd take any of them. i just like the styling of the ram, and it looks easier to work on with it being a inline motor rather than a V.

[dbswede]

I dont get the whole payment thing (except for my house) i have a 92 xlt and would like tto sell it.....is it penis envy or somthing..... 93 xj

[5-90]

I don't trust a Ford I didn't build.

Having said that, gimme an old Cummins Diesel inline. Maybe a Caterpillar V8 (3208, maybe?) but I'll happily take a turbocharged inline Cummins.

5-90

[DrMoab]

I dont get the whole payment thing (except for my house) i have a 92 xlt and would like tto sell it.....is it penis envy or somthing..... 93 xj
I hate payments too. However I hate having old junky vehicles that I can't trust also.

I thought long and hard about it before I bought my truck but I needed something that was going to get me there and back.

[jeepdude10000]

I dont really see why everyone hates on international. The local highschool is useing brand new International school buses. I've seen a lot of tow truck/flat beds that are International. A lot of the local car transport drivers[I work at a dealership] use Internationals to tow 3-4car trailers. And I've talked to them and they seem to have good luck with them. My dad is a Product Manager[i think thats his offical title] with International. I've watched a few of their training DVD's. I'd pimp a CXT.. But if I were to get a smaller diesel. I'd get a Cummins Ram.

My buddy has a 02 Powerstroke. He likes it and hasnt had any problems with it...

Also in the past Diesel mag, the Duramax was the fastest truck in thier little shotout. Put up something like a 12sec 1/4 mile. I'd take any of them. i just like the styling of the ram, and it looks easier to work on with it being a inline motor rather than a V.


ok first of all, a 3 ton international is way different because it has an inline 6 cyl, whitch has proven itself over the past 15 years, now the V8 powerstroke, is a whole diff motor, its only a few years old, and nothing like the older powerstrokes. And did u know that Ford sued International because the diesel had so many problems?

And the cummins in the dodge 1 ton is a scaled down version of the cummins they use in the big rigs, and u know they go for miles, and miles.

[DrMoab]

ok first of all, a 3 ton international is way different because it has an inline 6 cyl, whitch has proven itself over the past 15 years, now the V8 powerstroke, is a whole diff motor, its only a few years old, and nothing like the older powerstrokes. And did u know that Ford sued International because the diesel had so many problems?

And the cummins in the dodge 1 ton is a scaled down version of the cummins they use in the big rigs, and u know they go for miles, and miles.
We have some International semi's at work and they are a pile of trash. The fit and finish is horrible on them. They don't even finish the edges on the plastic pieces when they cut them out of the mold.

Right from the factory they rattle and shake.

Like I have said before. Tractor companies should make tractors...not trucks.

[OT]

I hate payments too. However I hate having old junky vehicles that I can't trust also.

I thought long and hard about it before I bought my truck but I needed something that was going to get me there and back.
x2.
I traded in my '01 PoSD F-250 (with over 250,000 miles, a shakey idling 7.3, a spewing trans, and an intermittant a/c) for a more trust worthy '05 CTD 2500 with only 25,000 on the ticker.
The Dodge is ten times the truck than the Ford.
The ride is better, it's much quieter, the power is far and away superior to the Ford or Chevy of the same year, and I get better milage to boot, AND my payment is less.
What I don't understand is, why, if Ford couldn't even get the bugs worked out of the 6.0, would they make plans to build a different engine with a whole new set of bugs to work out?
I guess it's because they weren't keeping up with Dodge.

[jeepdude10000]

x2.
I traded in my '01 PoSD F-250 (with over 250,000 miles, a shakey idling 7.3, a spewing trans, and an intermittant a/c) for a more trust worthy '05 CTD 2500 with only 25,000 on the ticker.
The Dodge is ten times the truck than the Ford.
The ride is better, it's much quieter, the power is far and away superior to the Ford or Chevy of the same year, and I get better milage to boot, AND my payment is less.
What I don't understand is, why, if Ford couldn't even get the bugs worked out of the 6.0, would they make plans to build a different engine with a whole new set of bugs to work out?
I guess it's because they weren't keeping up with Dodge.


the new ford diesel is based on the old va they used before, whitch is more reliable.





We have some International semi's at work and they are a pile of trash. The fit and finish is horrible on them. They don't even finish the edges on the plastic pieces when they cut them out of the mold.

Right from the factory they rattle and shake.

Like I have said before. Tractor companies should make tractors...not trucks.


ok i did not say the cab was any good on the "thirteen letter shit speader", i just said that the inline 6's are quite reliable, not as much as "cat" but good for the price.

[OT]

Okay, that's twice in one thread.

It's which=which, not witch.

:)


Oh, and I don't remember twin turbos on the old 7.3.:dunno:
Just more sh*t to work the bugs out of.

[DrMoab]

ok i did not say the cab was any good on the "thirteen letter shit speader", i just said that the inline 6's are quite reliable, not as much as "cat" but good for the price.

Don't have any experience with International inline six's.

Most of ours have Cummins in them.

[BlueCuda]

I drive a 2000 Model International 4700 at work its got the DT466E and alison auto. One reason the DT466 is a long lasting motor is because its the size of a couch and only has 235hp and 600ish tq. It got main bearings at 100K because they were worn so bad the rear main would not seal! Barfed a head gasket at 110K as well. It does work hard with a full load of batteries it does wiegh right at 33K but thats what its rated for. On another note we have a 04 Kenworth with a Cat I-6 of the same HP and its a total POS as well, burns oil like it has 1 mil on the clock and doesn't start for shit in the cold, and this is OK it doesn't get that cold.

The PSD is a decent motor but that injection setup sucks, where oil pressure is what runs the injectors. Oil changes are very very critical or they run like shit. Notice all the old wreckers and such always sound like they idle on seven cylinders, most likely from lack of maintenence. The CAT motor and the DT466 we have at work both use this same style of injection, and they have both had injectors put in them in under 200K. The CAT got 2 complete sets of injectors in 3 weeks.

I have 2 dodge cummins trucks and love them :) one has 303K miles on it, I paid $900 for it and its awsome. Starts in like 1/2 revolution everytime.

Ford gets twin turbos in 2007 and The cummins in the dodge goes to 6.7 litres. 2007 is a tight emisions year for diesels.

[DrMoab]

One reason the DT466 is a long lasting motor is because its the size of a couch and only has 235hp and 600ish tq.
I just pulled the specs on the Signature 600 motors we are running in our supersets.

600 HP at 2000 RPM and 2050 Ft-Lbs of Torque.

:D Sure brings a smile to my face when I have 128,500 Lbs strapped on behind me.

[Gerr]

My Dad has a 99 3500 with the cummins TD and I way perfer it to the puke strokes we have at work. not to mention all the breakdowns we have had with the fords. (one 02 f-350 has had 6 trannys in less than 100,000 miles)

[SCW]

Don't have any experience with International inline six's.

Most of ours have Cummins in them.


I drove an IH with the IH inline 6 for a few years hauling milk. I loved the motor, great power and economy. When I moved to New Mexico in 05 I rented an IH with the I-6 and an auto and I still loved the truck, but I was wishing I had a split axle with the manual (not available in the rental truck).

When I came back I ended up with the Cheby and CAT I-6. What a POS, that big hill between Price and Green River UT (headed north) had me down to 20mph, and I only got 8mpg compared to the 12 in the IH. And the Alison tranny seemed to find a gear and stay in it come hell or high water. Kicking down was just a hope and a prayer.

I love the mid-sized IH. I never drove OTR, but for the hauling I did it was great!

[SCW]

My Dad has a 99 3500 with the cummins TD and I way perfer it to the puke strokes we have at work. not to mention all the breakdowns we have had with the fords. (one 02 f-350 has had 6 trannys in less than 100,000 miles)


My brother in law has nearly a half-million miles on his 12-valve cummins. There isn't now nor ever has been a better engine for passenger cars and light duty trucks. Imo.

[muddinxj04]

My dad drove a Dodge 3500 truck, duelly, utility cap, only 2wd(otherwise i woulda bought it) for work...all he ever had to fix were the brakes and what not, had almost 300,000 miles on it, if i remember correctly. Now his company gave him a brand new e-450 powerstroke with utility cap, had it two weeks and the injectors went to crap. I've seen more of his enterprise rent-a-van than i have of his work truck ever since. I miss that cummins. Taken from another forum: "I'd rather be cummin than strokin'"

I loved that truck!

[DrMoab]

Come on all you Ford guys? Where is the love? :D

[OT]

Hopnestly, when I went from my '00 5.3 Silverado to the '01 PSD, I was in awe of how dramatic the power, mileage, and overall driveability was, compared to the Chevy and swore never to go back to gas.
After getting the Dodge, I am again in awe of how dramatic the power, mileage, and overall driveability is over the Ford.
Personally, I'm just thrilled that they are only getting better, every year, with every brand.

[SCW]

Come on all you Ford guys? Where is the love? :D

I've never owned a Dodge, but I've has two Fords (1 1/2 ton and 1 3/4 ton) and I've had two chevys (also one of each).

My 3/4ton Ford was my favorite car I've ever owned, but it wasn't the deisel. I've driven a lot of them, but can't afford one yet.

[DrMoab]

Hopnestly, when I went from my '00 5.3 Silverado to the '01 PSD, I was in awe of how dramatic the power, mileage, and overall driveability was, compared to the Chevy and swore never to go back to gas.
After getting the Dodge, I am again in awe of how dramatic the power, mileage, and overall driveability is over the Ford.
Personally, I'm just thrilled that they are only getting better, every year, with every brand.
That being said Terry....you gotta admit. The new Duramax's are pretty impressive in the power dept.

Still a V-8 diesel is a bad thing in my opinion

[OT]

Yeah, the Duramaxes are powerful, but it's clearly not all about power.
It's about what you trust.
I just don't trust them.
Though, I do wish the Allison was used by Dodge instead.

[DrMoab]

Though, I do wish the Allison was used by Dodge instead.
I dunno. My brother works for a big construction outfit. He is the repair shop foreman. They have had all the big three brands in Diesel trucks and he hated the Allisons. They were constantly giving them electrical trouble.

[BlueCuda]

I had heard that the newer 6.7L dodges were to have an AISIN 6-speed auto but no idea how true that is. It would be nice though! Because we all know the best thing Chrysler did for the XJ was NOT put a Chrysler auto trans in it :).

[chelms27]

Not to piss anyone off at all, but I saw a sticker on a chevy the other day that read "Fords are like tampons, every pussy needs one" LOL I personally am undecided, but have always been a Duramax fan. The Dodge Power Wagons are pretty cool also.

[DrMoab]

Not to piss anyone off at all, but I saw a sticker on a chevy the other day that read "Fords are like tampons, every pussy needs one" LOL I personally am undecided, but have always been a Duramax fan. The Dodge Power Wagons are pretty cool also.
I have seen that sticker with Ford replaced with Toyota, Jeep, Dodge Chevy and just about every other make of vehicle too.

[jeepdude10000]

im actually looking at a 2004 Dodge 3500 4X4 6 spd std crew cab dually, with cummins for $32000 CND. havnt decided yet.

[DrMoab]

im actually looking at a 2004 Dodge 3500 4X4 6 spd std crew cab dually, with cummins for $32000 CND. havnt decided yet.
Hahaha...Thats what I paid for my brand new 05...american dollars.

Don't you have some other thread to be posting in?

[jeepdude10000]

Don't you have some other thread to be posting in?


ya but i have to let others post in the mill thread also!:geek:

[OT]

Really, I paid $26 for mine with 25,000 on the ticker.
It's a measly 2500 4x4 crew cab. Too bad for yooohoo.:(

Better check on that '04, as some weren't HO600s, midway through the year is when they went to the HO standard I think I've read.

[CRASH]

Come on all you Ford guys? Where is the love? :D


I have a 1986 F-250.

I abused it in high school, then my brother did the same, then it went to our family factory for 10 years of neglect and abuse. It was stolen twice and buried in mud bogs in orchards.


I hunted quail in it on Friday, took two loads to the dump on Saturday, and I drove it to work this morning.

The old turbocharged 6.9 starts every time, makes 240 HP and 450 ft/lbs, and gets 18 MPG on the highway with 35 inch tires.

Oh, and the payments are affordable. :D

[Clint]

I have a 1986 F-250.

I abused it in high school, then my brother did the same, then it went to our family factory for 10 years of neglect and abuse. It was stolen twice and buried in mud bogs in orchards.


I hunted quail in it on Friday, took two loads to the dump on Saturday, and I drove it to work this morning.

The old turbocharged 6.9 starts every time, makes 240 HP and 450 ft/lbs, and gets 18 MPG on the highway with 35 inch tires.

Oh, and the payments are affordable. :D


Crash,
I have an 86 6.9 w/th 69,000 original miles on the clock. I'm thinking of fixing it up to pull my jeep/boat. What trans, gears and mods does yours have? Ours has 4.10's w/th the 4speed so it's pretty slow :)

[RCman]

I have a 1986 F-250.

I abused it in high school, then my brother did the same, then it went to our family factory for 10 years of neglect and abuse. It was stolen twice and buried in mud bogs in orchards.


I hunted quail in it on Friday, took two loads to the dump on Saturday, and I drove it to work this morning.

The old turbocharged 6.9 starts every time, makes 240 HP and 450 ft/lbs, and gets 18 MPG on the highway with 35 inch tires.

Oh, and the payments are affordable. :D

That may be the case, I have a buddy with a 1988 2wd F-150 (with just over 200K) and we beat the snot outa it. However, I'll be any amount of money that if we tried to do half the stuff we do to that truck to a newer Ford (or any newer truck for that matter) it would go crying to the junkyard. They don't build anything like they used to.

[CRASH]

Crash,
I have an 86 6.9 w/th 69,000 original miles on the clock. I'm thinking of fixing it up to pull my jeep/boat. What trans, gears and mods does yours have? Ours has 4.10's w/th the 4speed so it's pretty slow :)


I have 4.10's and a 4 spd with 35's. 2,500 RPM at 65 MPH.

The peak HP on a 6.9 is right at 3,100, don't be afraid to rev it.

You won't set any land speed records, but you'll get there. These rigs were rated to tow 12,000 pounds with 4.10/4 spd. Do yourself a favor and get a Hypermax turbo set up. They are cheap, and really make a huge difference. My rig has had one on for 125,000 miles with no issues. It gives you about 75 HP and 100 ft lbs.

[Goatman]

I always get a kick out of the Allison talk, that was the best bit of marketing that GM has come up with in a long time. Both Ford and GM came out with new trannies, the Ford is called a TorqueShift and the GM is called an Allison. GM owns Allison, so they can call the new tranny anything they want. The smallest Allison trans before it came out in light duty GM pickups was a 2000 series. The new GM trans is an Allison 1000 series and is only used in GM pickup trucks.......basically a new GM trans.

As for the power of the Duramax, all three brands of trucks.....Cummins, Powerstroke, and Duramax......run like a bat out of hell. The current crop of diesel pickups are very powerful, run fast and tow big loads like crazy. You just buy the one that you like. Personally, if I could own a Cummins, International or Isuzu, I wouldn't pick the Isuzu. :)

[Clint]

I have 4.10's and a 4 spd with 35's. 2,500 RPM at 65 MPH.

The peak HP on a 6.9 is right at 3,100, don't be afraid to rev it.

You won't set any land speed records, but you'll get there. These rigs were rated to tow 12,000 pounds with 4.10/4 spd. Do yourself a favor and get a Hypermax turbo set up. They are cheap, and really make a huge difference. My rig has had one on for 125,000 miles with no issues. It gives you about 75 HP and 100 ft lbs.

We've got the ATS setup, but it was installed around 93... Do you run any intake mods? I'm sure you have 3-3.5 inch exhaust all the way back? I want to run 65mph min and would like 70 out of it but it might be tough without overdrive.

[CRASH]

We've got the ATS setup, but it was installed around 93... Do you run any intake mods? I'm sure you have 3-3.5 inch exhaust all the way back? I want to run 65mph min and would like 70 out of it but it might be tough without overdrive.


I run a straight 3.5" exhaust and a K/N in the stock intake. I have my max fuel screw turned all the way up. In the summer, I run up against egt just as I'm really starting to pull hard. I'm going to add a surplus PowerStroke intercooler to get me a little more room on EGT's.

I make 12 PSI max, but I have fuel delivery for a little more.

[Jes]

New CTD owner checking in. Really happy with my '06, I have just put 2000 miles on it and am averaging about 20 MPG. So far so good.
The LSD rear diff in the 11.5" rear end worked well today as I passed some guy in a Honda(with a wing) that didn't want to let me merge into his lane. :D

[Rev Den]

I have no issues with the Cummings motor....all they need to do is put it in a good platform, like a Ford.

Rev

[BlueCuda]

lol dodge has sold allloootttttt of trucks because of that motor. But that bieng said I don't really like the fords. Although the built in brake controller in the 05 super duties is the cats meow :D. Super smooth operation and easy easy easy to set.

[POSJ]

i guess it is cool if you want to pull a house...

[SCW]

i guess it is cool if you want to pull a house...

lol, outside of Alaska we leave our houses where they were built-

(exceptions made for Arkansas :D )

[CRASH]

Cummings motor.


It's Cummins.

[FarmerMatt]

I'm running an 06 cheby with the newer "360hp" 6.6 motor. I just turned 40K on the ticker. I'm very pleased with the motor / tranny combo. The only thing I've got to compare it to is my wife's 02 Excursion with the older 7.3. We bombed it with exhaust, intake, & banks 6 gun. The newer Cheby makes the Ex look like it's standing still even with the go fast stuff & the Cheby is stock. The Cheby tows like a deam as well. Fully loaded with the CAT in my toyhauler I'm pushing 25K & I rarely drop below 65 towing. My only dislikes are styling. I much prefer the Furd body & interior.

You can say what you want about the tranny Goat, but the 6 speed is the tits & the manual push button shifting is awesome...

Matt

[Rev Den]

It's Cummins.

So noted. :lecture:

Rev

[OT]

So noted. :lecture:

Rev
We won't fault you for your short-Cummings.:D

[Atl XJ]

Holy ugly headlamps Batman!
Yeah, those are awful.

[Atl XJ]

I always get a kick out of the Allison talk, that was the best bit of marketing that GM has come up with in a long time. Both Ford and GM came out with new trannies, the Ford is called a TorqueShift and the GM is called an Allison. GM owns Allison, so they can call the new tranny anything they want. The smallest Allison trans before it came out in light duty GM pickups was a 2000 series. The new GM trans is an Allison 1000 series and is only used in GM pickup trucks.......basically a new GM trans.


Why is that so funny to you? Its a damn good transmission and its built by Allison and plenty HD for its application. Allison is a great company, their transmissions hold up great in HD and MD trucks. The marketing that makes me LMAO is Dodge and their "Hemis". What a joke. Its good marketing though, I'll give them that.

I still don't even hear anything accurately negative about the Duramax, other than a few initial issues. The only negatives I hear about it is that people don't like it because its an Isuzu. They make damn good diesels, I don't see that as a negative.

[Atl XJ]

Btw, thank gawd Ford is dropping the 6.0l.

[Matt S.]

Btw, thank gawd Ford is dropping the 6.0l.


x2

[Goatman]

Why is that so funny to you? Its a damn good transmission and its built by Allison and plenty HD for its application. Allison is a great company, their transmissions hold up great in HD and MD trucks. The marketing that makes me LMAO is Dodge and their "Hemis". What a joke. Its good marketing though, I'll give them that.

I still don't even hear anything accurately negative about the Duramax, other than a few initial issues. The only negatives I hear about it is that people don't like it because its an Isuzu. They make damn good diesels, I don't see that as a negative.

I guess I'll have to confess...........I'm a sales manager at a Ford dealership. :D

I didn't say that the GM/Allison trans wasn't a good trans, just that I get a kick out of all the Allison talk. It's similar to the Dodge Hemi....more marketing than reality, though both are a good product. The Ford Torqueshift trans has been as durable and feature filled as the Allison, both are very good products.

[SCW]

I guess I'll have to confess...........I'm a sales manager at a Ford dealership. :D

I didn't say that the GM/Allison trans wasn't a good trans, just that I get a kick out of all the Allison talk. It's similar to the Dodge Hemi....more marketing than reality, though both are a good product. The Ford Torqueshift trans has been as durable and feature filled as the Allison, both are very good products.


Spoken like a Ford sales manager. That Ford tranny is a terd that just won't polish. Ford makes the best body/frame combo, but the drivetrain sucks rocks. Imo, of course :D



.

[ccsp]

I think it needs a bigger plastic grille.

[misterjeeper]

OKAY...New guy in the thread here...Just wanted to put in my .02$ here...I love my '92 XJ.

[Goatman]

Spoken like a Ford sales manager. That Ford tranny is a terd that just won't polish. Ford makes the best body/frame combo, but the drivetrain sucks rocks. Imo, of course :D


Any evidence to back that up? :)

The old Ford trans, the E40D, definitely had problems, though so did the Chevy, but they didn't have a super stout diesel to push it hard, or guys with souped up diesels to thrash them. And you can definitely polish the Ford E40D into a bullit proof trans with aftermarket parts, many, many people have done it and many companies sell the trans in a beefed up package. I have all the good stuff in my E40D behind my chipped and intercooled OBS PS and expect the trans to last indefinitely.

Oh, and the old Ford C4 and especially C6 were legendary for toughness. Ford and Chevy both used to have good auto trannies, then both had problems went they went to OD. Now, they both are building good trannies again. Oh wait, GM doesn't have it's own tranny, it uses a new smaller Allison..... :D

[SCW]

Any evidence to back that up?

The old Ford trans, the E40D, definitely had problems, though so did the Chevy, but they didn't have a super stout diesel to push it hard, or guys with souped up diesels to thrash them. And you can definitely polish the Ford E40D into a bullit proof trans with aftermarket parts, many, many people have done it and many companies sell the trans in a beefed up package. I have all the good stuff in my E40D behind my chipped and intercooled OBS PS and expect the trans to last indefinitely.

Oh, and the old Ford C4 and especially C6 were legendary for toughness. Ford and Chevy both used to have good auto trannies, then both had problems went they went to OD. Now, they both are building good trannies again. Oh wait, GM doesn't have it's own tranny, it uses a new smaller Allison.....


Evidence to back up that they have the best body and frame? Sure. I used to live on a farm that was 45 miles from the nearest paved road, and the dirt wasn't maintained well, if you know what I mean. I had 185K miles on my F250 when it left me (long story, it was sold while I was out of town) and it had no problems whatsoever. Tight body and suspension, steering was great and it still got in the mid-teens for fuel economy. I had the 5.8L V8. At the same time a friend of mine got a similar year Cheby. Within 50K miles the bed had fallen off, door wouldn't shut and the interior had disintegrated. He dumped it for a Powerstroke, put 70K miles and lost the tranny. Put 50K on that tranny, then got another.

All the while my brother in law (who also lives on this farm) put over 400K miles on his Cummins, although he went through 3 trucks with the same engine. Dodge isn't much better than Chevy in that area- but they are a little. I really don't care for a tranny that you have to put a new valve body in for a grand before it can handle the stock motor and tow rating. Seems pretty cheap and backwards to me.

I'd love it if Ford built a long-lasting I-6 diesel. I don't think there is any engine around that can compete with the Cummins over 300K miles, over time we'll find out if the Duramax will, but no question the P(o)S can't. Too bad it only comes in a Dodge wrapper, because I'd love to have it in a Ford.

[cracker]

Evidence to back up that they have the best body and frame? Sure. I used to live on a farm that was 45 miles from the nearest paved road, and the dirt wasn't maintained well, if you know what I mean. I had 185K miles on my F250 when it left me (long story, it was sold while I was out of town) and it had no problems whatsoever. Tight body and suspension, steering was great and it still got in the mid-teens for fuel economy. I had the 5.8L V8. At the same time a friend of mine got a similar year Cheby. Within 50K miles the bed had fallen off, door wouldn't shut and the interior had disintegrated. He dumped it for a Powerstroke, put 70K miles and lost the tranny. Put 50K on that tranny, then got another.

All the while my brother in law (who also lives on this farm) put over 400K miles on his Cummins, although he went through 3 trucks with the same engine. Dodge isn't much better than Chevy in that area- but they are a little. I really don't care for a tranny that you have to put a new valve body in for a grand before it can handle the stock motor and tow rating. Seems pretty cheap and backwards to me.

I'd love it if Ford built a long-lasting I-6 diesel. I don't think there is any engine around that can compete with the Cummins over 300K miles, over time we'll find out if the Duramax will, but no question the P(o)S can't. Too bad it only comes in a Dodge wrapper, because I'd love to have it in a Ford.

Did I miss the evidence part? You have years? Do you have any experience with a 2003 or newer Ford SD transmisison?

[SCW]

Did I miss the evidence part? You have years? Do you have any experience with a 2003 or newer Ford SD transmisison?

My Ford was a '95, the PS Ford was a 2001. Both held up fine over long-haul over rough roads. The new Chevy with a Duramax doesn't seem to be holding up as well on the roads, but the drivetrain is really nice.

Both PS Fords I had much to do with on a personal basis were pre-03 models. Was that the same year they went to the smaller Powerstroke motor?

[Danno]

I just got back from Moab last week and one of our party has the new Chevy diesel in the 4 door car hauler style. He had nothing but Fords until he bought one of the newer 6 liter ones. Trouble! Tried a Chevy this time. It lasted from western North Carolina until Limon, CO. There it sat for the week and the dealer still wasn't able to figure why it didn't produce power under load.
I loved my 2001 Power Stroke. It gave me virtually no problem. But I needed a better braking package for towing a big trailer with 2 to 3 Jeeps on it. Got a really good deal on a Freightliner M2. It tows REALLY sweet! Also $4000 less than the local dealer wanted for the new Ford F250.

[cracker]

Was that the same year they went to the smaller Powerstroke motor?

2003 was the year they introduced the 6.0 L PS as well as the Torqueshift tranny.

Sounds to me if you had experience with the newer drivetrain you may have had a different response than what you posted earlier.

[CartsXJ]

Spoken like a Ford sales manager. That Ford tranny is a terd that just won't polish. Ford makes the best body/frame combo, but the drivetrain sucks rocks. Imo, of course :D



.


I wouldn't say the whole drivetrain suck........I would take the solid axle combo out of any late model ford over anything chevy or dodge had come up with. the only exception would be the Power Wagon for the lockers.........though no lockout hubs does suck.

[SCW]

2003 was the year they introduced the 6.0 L PS as well as the Torqueshift tranny.

Sounds to me if you had experience with the newer drivetrain you may have had a different response than what you posted earlier.


Could be, I sure loved my 2 Fords a lot more than the 2 Chevys I had but those PS and the trannys really dissapointed me. I still can't get over what a great engine the Cummins is though.

[cracker]

Could be, I sure loved my 2 Fords a lot more than the 2 Chevys I had but those PS and the trannys really dissapointed me. I still can't get over what a great engine the Cummins is though.

Don't get me wrong. I have burned up a Ford tranny (5.4L with 90K on it) before too. ;)

[IXNAYXJ]

Not to revive the debate, but the specs/pics of the new generation GM HD trucks were just released.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37884&highlight=duramax

Not sold on the exterior, but the interior and drivetrain seem like the best in the game. 365 hp and 660 lb/ft even with the new diesel emissions regulations.

-----Matt-----

[SCW]

Not to revive the debate, but the specs/pics of the new generation GM HD trucks were just released.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37884&highlight=duramax

Not sold on the exterior, but the interior and drivetrain seem like the best in the game. 365 hp and 660 lb/ft even with the new diesel emissions regulations.

-----Matt-----


Who's responsible for that boat-anchor front bumper? What a pig.

[cracker]

Who's responsible for that boat-anchor front bumper? What a pig.

Who gives a sh!t? It's diesel. It can handle it.

[SCW]

Who gives a sh!t? It's diesel. It can handle it.

Yeah, but I'd rather look at the deisel. What is there, 1/4 acre of chrome on each corner?

[IXNAYXJ]

Yeah, but I'd rather look at the deisel. What is there, 1/4 acre of chrome on each corner?Like I said, it's not my favorite look, but BOLD is currently the thing.

-----Matt-----

[Rev Den]

Oh gee....another GM car that thinks its a truck.

Prediction: GM still will not make a dent in the "work" truck market, that is currently dominated by Ford and Dodge.

Rev

[cracker]

Oh gee....another GM car that thinks its a truck.

Prediction: GM still will not make a dent in the "work" truck market, that is currently dominated by Ford and Dodge.

Rev.

Rev, I totally agree with you there.

Anyways, who wants a heavy duty truck with IFS?

[rckclmbr]

it looks like to me that some one tried to shove a 3/4 or 1 ton drive train into a colorado. and then cover up where they needed to with chrome.

ITS UGLY!!!!

[Gary E]

Well you asked for the ford guys to chime in.. I still think the ford is the best all around package. That being said if I needed a work truck I was going to beat up and turn over every 3 years or so I would get a dodge, they seem to be priced right. Would dodge even be a player without the Cummins? For longer term I still prefer the ford. Probably a moot point since I don't need a new truck, I love my 200k mile 99 PSD it runs strong and hauls what I need it too.

[DansGreyMj]

Well you asked for the ford guys to chime in.. I still think the ford is the best all around package. That being said if I needed a work truck I was going to beat up and turn over every 3 years or so I would get a dodge, they seem to be priced right. Would dodge even be a player without the Cummins? For longer term I still prefer the ford. Probably a moot point since I don't need a new truck, I love my 200k mile 99 PSD it runs strong and hauls what I need it too.

i agree my 99 250 PSD w/180k has worked hard since the day it came of the lot and and its never had any problems and runs like the day it was bought, we just got an 06 350 with a 6.0l and its almost got 10k problem free miles and i love pulling up to ricers in it and blowing them away, that usually makes my day and its stock, and if u guys really want a ford with a Cummins get an F650+(u can also get with a cat diesel too)

[olivedrabcj7]

Most dodge trucks i have experience with have fallen apart prematurely. This would explain Dodge's higher than average depreciation rate on their trucks. Cummins is a good motor but as for an overall good truck, my vote is for the Ford PSD. Its a well built truck with a real good motor in it. I have a laundry list of beef with the duramax also.

[DrMoab]

Oh gee....another GM car that thinks its a truck.
This coming from a guy who owns a newer Rover....Pricless. :D

[FarmerMatt]

.

Rev, I totally agree with you there.

Anyways, who wants a heavy duty truck with IFS?

:wave1: Me. You guys don't really understand what working a truck is all about... I've got 11 months on my cheby with 40K on the ticker & over half of that would be dirt roads & pulling. I'd much rather have the smoother ride of the Cheby than get beat to death with the ford or dodge.:farmer:

Matt

[DansGreyMj]

:wave1: Me. You guys don't really understand what working a truck is all about... I've got 11 months on my cheby with 40K on the ticker & over half of that would be dirt roads & pulling. I'd much rather have the smoother ride of the Cheby than get beat to death with the ford or dodge.:farmer:

Matt

actually on my 06 f350 with the front coils it rides smooth as glass

[Rev Den]

This coming from a guy who owns a newer Rover....Pricless. :D

Rover is not a truck...never claims to be....never tries to be.

The Excursion is a truck.....it tries to be an SUV...and fails.

11 Months, 40K...wow......my Ranger has 140K in 28 months. I have no problem with IRS.....just GM. I would even drive a Dodge.....before a GM of any kind.

Rev

[Atl XJ]

.

Rev, I totally agree with you there.

Anyways, who wants a heavy duty truck with IFS?

This is such an ignorant, antequated arguement. SFA has one huge advantage, and that is its ability to flex offroad. On the road, it has zero advantage. The next time you're in your work truck, on a tough obstical offfroad and you wish you had just a little more flex so one of your front tires could get traction, report back to us.

GM has nailed the technology that enables their IFS front suspension to be just as tough, if not tougher, when handling the daily duties a HD truck faces. Yet the biast Ford dealer and the other ignorant GM haters still continue to bash.

I guess what they say is true. Its tough to be the king.

[Atl XJ]

it looks like to me that some one tried to shove a 3/4 or 1 ton drive train into a colorado. and then cover up where they needed to with chrome.

ITS UGLY!!!!

Wow, there are nothing but 100% true, well researched facts in that post. Thanks for adding your contribution. It was obviously well though out.

[Rev Den]

GM has nailed the technology that enables their IFS front suspension to be just as tough, if not tougher, when handling the daily duties a HD truck faces.

Ohhh...that explains why you see sooooo many GM trucks at job sites. :rolleyes:

As someone who has spent over 23 years looking over the hood of various white trucks, GM still has a way to go before catching Ford and Dodge in the work truck relm.

Rev

[DrMoab]

Ohhh...that explains why you see sooooo many GM trucks at job sites. :rolleyes:

As someone who has spent over 23 years looking over the hood of various white trucks, GM still has a way to go before catching Ford and Dodge in the work truck relm.

Rev
Wow...I am actually agreeing with Rev on this one.

I guess that explains why so many H2s, and HD trucks break TRE's every time they go off road huh?

Not to mention the fact that there are probably 3 times as many moving parts to either break or wear out on an independent suspension setup.

Sorry I will stick to a solid front end.

[cracker]

Amen Rev!

[Darky]

Wow, there are nothing but 100% true, well researched facts in that post. Thanks for adding your contribution. It was obviously well though out.
I'm a Chevy man,but even I have to say shut up on this one...His opinion is that its ugly and he thinks it looks like they put a 1 ton powertrain into a COlorado and covered the holes with chrome. No facts stated, no need for evidence further that that's his opinion. I think they look good, but I guess before I make that statement, I'll have to go find me some well-thought out facts and evidence...;)

[Atl XJ]

Sorry I was an ass on this thread. I had way to much to drink the other night and wasn't tired after going on and decided to go on the computer. If I could erase my posts I would. :(

[PapaPump]

losta brand loyalty flying around in here! no loyalties here....i think the dodge looks the best, the new ps is buttf'ing ugly and the chevy/gmc is a huge improvement. i would choose a cummins mostly because i think it is in the best looking truck, but also because they feel like they have torque to no end and a proven track record.

in case anyone gives a rat's ass, controlling ownership of isuzu belongs to GM, so anybody that has a problem with a japanese diesel better get with the times and realize that we live in a global market. the new colorado is almost entirely an isuzu sold overseas (the D-Max). all of isuzu's medium duty trucks are either sold as GMCs or are rebadged GMCs and isuzu's only us consumer models are rebadged trailblazers and colorados. annnnyway, all of this goes to show that brand loyalty and nationalistic preferences can all be thrown out. you can get a GM product with a honda engine! or a jeep with a mercedes transmission!

[Atl XJ]

in case anyone gives a rat's ass, controlling ownership of isuzu belongs to GM, so anybody that has a problem with a japanese diesel better get with the times and realize that we live in a global market. the new colorado is almost entirely an isuzu sold overseas (the D-Max). all of isuzu's medium duty trucks are either sold as GMCs or are rebadged GMCs and isuzu's only us consumer models are rebadged trailblazers and colorados. annnnyway, all of this goes to show that brand loyalty and nationalistic preferences can all be thrown out. you can get a GM product with a honda engine! or a jeep with a mercedes transmission!
Thats very true.

[motorcityxj]

just purely on looks front end is ok the grill is a disaster, the aftermarker will make a killing on new grills for those things. Interior looks nice and from the windshield back looks nice to me.

[motorcityxj]

Not to revive the debate, but the specs/pics of the new generation GM HD trucks were just released.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37884&highlight=duramax

Not sold on the exterior, but the interior and drivetrain seem like the best in the game. 365 hp and 660 lb/ft even with the new diesel emissions regulations.

-----Matt-----
http://us.tnpv.net/2006/WKA200609/WKA2006092740685_pv.jpg

interior is a jump into the new millenium and a nice looking setup. The bumper ends on the chebby are a disaster ! Who approved that should be horese whipped! :smsoap:

http://us.tnpv.net/2006/WKA200609/WKA2006092742848_pv.jpg

the GMC bumper looks much more "NORMAL"

I want to get a late model theft recovery 4 door 1 ton ford and drop in a cummins. thats what i want.:D

[scoobyxj]

:wave1: Me. You guys don't really understand what working a truck is all about... I've got 11 months on my cheby with 40K on the ticker & over half of that would be dirt roads & pulling. I'd much rather have the smoother ride of the Cheby than get beat to death with the ford or dodge.:farmer:

Matt
SBOI My bosses 06 IFS 4x2 Dodge rides like shit compared to my friends 00 straight axle 4x4 Dodge.

[scoobyxj]

or a jeep with a mercedes transmission!

I perfer mine with a Toyota tranny. :D

[Atl XJ]

I perfer mine with a Toyota tranny. :D
Thats one of the main reasons that I got my XJ. I was scared of getting a Jeep after seeing all of problems my friends had with theirs, mainly GCs. I decided to give it a shot since I'd always liked XJs and I knew the 4.0l/AW4/231 was a pretty good combo.

I never would have considered it if it had a Chrysler tranny or a 249.

[Blaine B.]

I like the older nose......same with the Ram, I like the nose they used up until 2001....

Alot of good things ended in 2001 I guess.....Towers, XJ's, lots.