Enjoy them while you can NYers!!

[Fergie]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/09/26/trans.fat.ban.ap/index.html

Spoons next?

We'll all be eating low-fat, non-hydrogenated water with a frallin butter knife.

[shortxjdoug]

hey our fore fathers fought and died for the right to greasy food and i'm damn proud of my right to feed my body with whatever i want.......


edit: wait, i live in the south and technically around these parts im pretty sure you can still marry your third cousin, so i really don't have to worry about a FOOD ban

[dzolcali]

yeah the south rocks...northerners are retarded..."hey lets violate our own constitutional rights..."

[MogifiedXJ]

hey our fore fathers fought and died for the right to greasy food and i'm damn proud of my right to feed my body with whatever i want.......


edit: wait, i live in the south and technically around these parts im pretty sure you can still marry your third cousin, so i really don't have to worry about a FOOD ban

Actually you can marry your first cousin here in TN now...Scarry.

As far as fried food goes...you throw enough flour & grease at something and then procede to fry it whatever it is will eventually taste good.

[lilredwagn]

yeah the south rocks...northerners are retarded..."hey lets violate our own constitutional rights..."
The right to bear claws?

[dzolcali]

The right to bear claws?
that and anything else I want to put in my mouth or inhale...your person is your person, and I think it's b.s for anyone to try to stop you from experiencing life...whether it be trans fats, or smoking, or drinking or jay walking or w/e the hell you want to do as long as you don't hurt another person or persons property. What if I like bear claws and it's my favorite food...now I gotta drive outta the city to eat it...cause the officials decided it wasn't good for me...thanks for looking out for me you c u next tuesdays!!!

[Ironmen77]

Without french fry grease where will the people in New York get their bio-diesel?

Just another example of "the man" trying to keep the people down.

Must be "big oil" and Bush behind this.

[Root Moose]

Guys, get a grip...

They are banning artificial shit that will kill you and that only helps the company that makes the pre-packaged food's bottom line.

Next up, revolt against banning PCBs and lead from food?

[Glenn B]

They are not going to ban fries. Get a grip. Watch out, the sky is falling.......

I blame all of the fat and obese people that cannot control their own eating, and now the Govt has to step in and try to control it. Pretty sad. Anyhow, getting partially hydrogenated oil out of the food chain is probably not all that bad.

[Root Moose]

It is sad.

The problem is that people don't know enough or care enough to pay attention to the labels.

A can of cola is ~30 spoons of sugar.

Let that sink in. It's nuts. Now "mega-size" it. And then look at the rest of the junk food and other crap out there.

Don't get me wrong, I like a burger and fries as much as the next guy... but I'm not eating it every day for lunch.

The other half of the equation is that people don't work as hard physically as they once did. If you were on a farm you'd probably need 4-5k calories just to keep a steady weight. That's why GrandMa served lemon/pecan/apple/whatever pie as a desert with every meal almost.

[mdl]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/09/26/trans.fat.ban.ap/index.html

Spoons next?

We'll all be eating low-fat, non-hydrogenated water with a frallin butter knife.


You don't understand. Trans fat didn't exist 100 years ago. The rest of the world already banned it a long time ago and personally I can't wait to see a transfat free USA. Nationwide. That shit is SO bad for you its incredible. People make a bigger deal about colesterol which is actually GOOD for you but don't even watch their transfat intake which is some of the WORST shit you can stick in you're body.

[RichP]

hey our fore fathers fought and died for the right to greasy food and i'm damn proud of my right to feed my body with whatever i want.......


edit: wait, i live in the south and technically around these parts im pretty sure you can still marry your third cousin, so i really don't have to worry about a FOOD ban

Noticed a TV advertisment for TGIF or Ruby Tuesdays for 'Fried string beans', must be a southern thing.... take a perfectly healthy food and deep fry it, yea, thats the ticket...

[old_man]

"Artificial trans fats are very toxic, and they almost surely causes tens of thousands of premature deaths each year," he said.

So do stupid people. I have an idea, lets ban stupid people.:party:

[RichP]

So do stupid people. I have an idea, lets ban stupid people.:party:

Remove the warning labels and watch them go away....

[Glenn B]

Remove the warning labels and watch them go away....

Agreed. Warning labels only allow the stupid to live longer.

[letank]

Guys, get a grip...

They are banning artificial shit that will kill you and that only helps the company that makes the pre-packaged food's bottom line.

Next up, revolt against banning PCBs and lead from food?

The short story: basically trans-fat create an temporary inflammation of your arteries a few minutes after it goes into your bloodstream..... even in young an healthy people.... but for the older guys... it turns into plaque, which release at a later time... and plugs your brain vessels.... have you ever heard of stroke...

just like mass fed animals.... w corn and other industrial byproducts.... natural fed beef has the omega-3 just like wild salmon.....

they can start to tax sodas.... yep 30 spoons of sugar.....

i guess for my second post, i am really off topic

Michel
74 waggy
90 wrangler
-- XJ soon

[5-90]

Guys, get a grip...

They are banning artificial shit that will kill you and that only helps the company that makes the pre-packaged food's bottom line.

Next up, revolt against banning PCBs and lead from food?

The issue isn't what they're banning (as I see it,) but the simple fact that they feel a ban is necessary. If we had a truly "free-market" economy and a reasonably educated populace (and I think we are exactly two items short of fulfilling that list!) we'd see the problem sort itself out. A free-market economy would be self-correcting with things like that - people would realise that something bad can happen from buying something, and go buy something else. The people that make "something bad" would then realise that they're doing something wrong, and seek to correct their earlier mistake.

Furthermore, I do not need any level of the government to seek to protect me from me. The essential function of government is to organise society (loosely,) punish transgressors to the social contract (I'm not sure they're doing a good job of that - Martha Stewart went to prison, Lon Horiuchi got promoted...) and defend the body politic against threats from without (this is probably the "least worst" function they're doing right now - I'm not sure they're doing anything well!)

I've gotten myself all growed up, and I am big enough, old enough, and educated enough (in theory) to look after myself. I may not be the picture of health, nor do I keep the best diet right now (backlash from adjusting to a major incident last November,) but I'm probably doing better than a third to half of the people I see here - and my blood chemistry is even better (I am probably healthier, internally, than the Yuppie idwits who spend all their free time eating vegan/macrobiotic whatever, and pushing plate at the 24-Hour fitness.)

So, I may not be doing everything right, but I'm obviously doing something bloody right - and all that without the interference of the government. Why are they getting involved now?

This becomes the sort of encroachment into our daily lives that can result in societies as posited in 1984 or A Brave New World (if anyone reading this hasn't read either of those books - I suggest you read both. 1984 by George Orwell and A Brave New World by Aldous Huxley.) Yet another example of the "negative Utopia" more of you may be familiar with would be the theoretical society in Demolition Man - after reading 1984, A Brave New World, and even elements of Animal Farm (Orwell again,) you'll start to see where they got the idea.

So, try reducing (or eliminating entirely!) government meddling at all levels. We've got a lot of problems to fix - but I'd say this one is fairly major.

Immigration, education, welfare - when faced with multiple enemies, my only question is, "Which one do I attack first?"

5-90

[Root Moose]

So you're basically saying iterate based upon the number of corpses a product produces?

[GSequoia]

Remove the warning labels and watch them go away....

Stupid people come with warning labels now? Wow that'll make them much easier to spot!

While I'm not a fan of banning just about anything I don't really disagree with this. You can make everything you guys currently like without using trans fat producing products.

Also a completely free market will never work. Mega-Corporations are too dirty to be trusted.

Personally I'd like to see the over abundance of corn-syrup gone too.

[5-90]

Moose - no, but the market should be self-correcting without government interference. That's what "capitalism" is all about - it's the closest system we can come up with to a "free-market economy."

I'll be the first to agree that Megacorps can't be trusted - but since we've got an uneducated populace (speaking generally,) there are no watchers in place to keep them sorted. Since people don't know shit from Shinola (again, speaking generally. There are some intelligent and educated people out there - but their numbers are in decline...) it's easier to get away with pretty much anything. If we'd focus upon actually educating people, rather than the whole "self-esteem" and "cultural diversity" kick we're on now, we'd have large corporations realising that they can't get away with so much anymore.

And, I'll agree that "trans fatty acids" (whatever those are - I'm no biochemist...) can probably be eliminated from food production without issue, but what this will do is create yet another tentacle of government bureaucracy, with middle managers suddenly finding themselves with petty little fiefdoms to protect, and this is just going to end up being another case of government bloat. Don't we pay enough in taxes as it is? How long before America becomes more "socialist" than "representative republic?"

I'm not saying that this stuff causes more harm than good, and that it should not be in our foodstuffs (I'm still not sure where it comes from. It seems like every week now, we hear about something else we should not eat - that we've been eating all of our lives...) but I don't think a government ban, regulation, and all the assorted bureaucracy and additional tax burden (if you don't think this is going to raise taxes - you'll be right. For about two years...) is the way to go on this.

Correct it in the market. Stop buying the stuff with "trans fatty acids," and let the foodmakers sort themselves out (which they damn well should, once they find out the stuff is piling up.)

5-90

[Fergie]

You don't understand. Trans fat didn't exist 100 years ago. The rest of the world already banned it a long time ago and personally I can't wait to see a transfat free USA. Nationwide. That shit is SO bad for you its incredible. People make a bigger deal about colesterol which is actually GOOD for you but don't even watch their transfat intake which is some of the WORST shit you can stick in you're body.
You've missed my point.

I don't need protection from my own stupidity, nor does the government need to protect people from themselves.

Too many sheep are the cause of this type of legislation.

Sheep dogs unite!

[dzolcali]

i agree with 5-90 100% it's the invisible hand man...just let it do it's magic and the less government intervention the better...I wish more people would abide by their own set of rules instead of making so many "exceptions" just because...
this nation is truely hypocritical as it gets..., they give you rights, then take them away if you use them...give you choice, but only one choice...cmon' people quit giving up the battles or we will loose the war you know, if you let them take trans fats, eventually they will take something else...then a little more and a little more and finally your not free anymore your one of them there a-rabs bombing people cause you got penis envy, trust me I seen it happen

[IcedXJ]

i agree with 5-90 100% it's the invisible hand man...just let it do it's magic and the less government intervention the better...I wish more people would abide by their own set of rules instead of making so many "exceptions" just because...
this nation is truely hypocritical as it gets..., they give you rights, then take them away if you use them...give you choice, but only one choice...cmon' people quit giving up the battles or we will loose the war you know, if you let them take trans fats, eventually they will take something else...then a little more and a little more and finally your not free anymore your one of them there a-rabs bombing people cause you got penis envy, trust me I seen it happen
ya man, lets like stand up and revolt man :D

Invisible Hand works when the system is functioning, wont fully occur if the system has a bunch of holes in it.

[Root Moose]

Too funny.

If you guys are so well informed and don't need "Government intervention" just how much trans fats are you eating each day?

Do you know what trans fats are? Do you know what they do to your body?

Did you know before stumbling across the OP's link?

You guys are "topic experts" on food, preservatives, GMOs and such now?

Things change, people become informed. This information is disseminated through civilized societies. Don't fear change/society and don't use it as an excuse to wrap yourself in the flag and/or invoke your favourite diety.

Capitalism is fine, especially when dealing with stupid consumer widgets like clothes, cars, TVs, whatever. Food is a different matter. While we are at it let's get rid of the FDA. Afterall, all they are doing is keeping capitalists down and serve no purpose like say protecting/informing the public with regard to healthy choices and/or nasty "food" stuffs.

Might as well bring back lead body filler and lead based paints. Or how about leaded fuel? I know, let's start spraying DDT everywhere again. After all, banning DDT is just keeping the chemical producing capitalists down.

Better yet, let's tell the auto manufaturers we don't need seat belts, collapsible steering wheels/columns, in-door beams, etc. I'd like a return to those 2-3" long bayonent style switches on the dash board while we are at it. I haven't had a punctured lung in a few years. It's a capitalist society, afterall. When your wife/sister/Mom goes to buy her next car and gets into an accident and is killed because the steering column went through her heart, well, that's just Darwin and Capitalism in action. Too bad your wife/sister/Mom is a "stupid person". Sucks to be you/them. I guess they didn't read the label on the column.

If you want a real topic to get your knickers in a knot with respect to government infringement on your rights, there's much more important things going on than the banning of hurtful food stuffs. Patriot act anyone? I guess that doesn't matter because it is being obscured by all the donkeys and elephants on the plain.

I think for lunch I'll order an extra side of freedom fries cooked in transformer fluid, double the lead please.

<sheesh />

[dzolcali]

Too funny.

If you guys are so well informed and don't need "Government intervention" just how much trans fats are you eating each day? (are you the diet expert moose...lay it down about the organic foods too, perhaps the fda should ban all the antibiotic infested blood infested milk and dairy products...or maybe you can still buy them for a reasonable price and suffer who knows what sort of long term effects.)

Do you know what trans fats are? Do you know what they do to your body?(so trans fats are at fault here for the unhealthy americans, along with beer, cigarettes, sugar, television, and antidepressants, lets ban those too right?)

Did you know before stumbling across the OP's link?

You guys are "topic experts" on food, preservatives, GMOs and such now? (apparently not, enlighten us, maybe we know what trans fats are and we choose not to eat them but still like the fact that if one day we wanted them, we could go eat them and not be breaking the law, it's called freedom, and it's becoming more and more scarce in america just like fergie said, sheep, scared of this and scared of that, lets let the government take over and fix it all for us right...wrong.)

Things change, people become informed. This information is disseminated through civilized societies. Don't fear change/society and don't use it as an excuse to wrap yourself in the flag and/or invoke your favourite diety.

Capitalism is fine, especially when dealing with stupid consumer widgets like clothes, cars, TVs, whatever. Food is a different matter. While we are at it let's get rid of the FDA. Afterall, all they are doing is keeping capitalists down and serve no purpose like say protecting/informing the public with regard to healthy choices and/or nasty "food" stuffs. (keeping capitilist down, did you know that a portion of all tax payer dollars goes to preserving dehydrated milk...yes thats right because the government decided to put a price floor on milk to help farmers stay alive, the price floor in turn causes milk to be more expensive so people buy less milk, cows produce the same amount of milk regardless so what happens to all the extra..they dehydrate it and store it in warehouses incase we need to help out other countries like Africa(recall the many deaths that occurred from our foreign aid in africa to the young infants who were drinking dehydrated milks from the US instead of their mothers breast milk) so then what do you do with tons and tons of dried milk that you have no real purpose for? store it and store it and store it and let the tax payers pay more for their milk and have less budgeted tax money so we can store this milk...)

Might as well bring back lead body filler and lead based paints. Or how about leaded fuel? I know, let's start spraying DDT everywhere again. After all, banning DDT is just keeping the chemical producing capitalists down.

Better yet, let's tell the auto manufaturers we don't need seat belts, collapsible steering wheels/columns, in-door beams, etc. I'd like a return to those 2-3" long bayonent style switches on the dash board while we are at it. I haven't had a punctured lung in a few years. It's a capitalist society, afterall. When your wife/sister/Mom goes to buy her next car and gets into an accident and is killed because the steering column went through her heart, well, that's just Darwin and Capitalism in action. Too bad your wife/sister/Mom is a "stupid person". Sucks to be you/them. I guess they didn't read the label on the column. (These are things driven by the consumer base though, consumers said "we don't want unsafe cars, we won't buy them" so to compete with other car manufactures seat belts were invented and it evolved from there...your comparing apples with oranges moose.)

If you want a real topic to get your knickers in a knot with respect to government infringement on your rights, there's much more important things going on than the banning of hurtful food stuffs. Patriot act anyone? I guess that doesn't matter because it is being obscured by all the donkeys and elephants on the plain.(trust me, those of us against the trans fat ban are also against the patriot act.)

I think for lunch I'll order an extra side of freedom fries cooked in transformer fluid, double the lead please.(giggle)

[XJ Dreamin']

Noticed a TV advertisment for TGIF or Ruby Tuesdays for 'Fried string beans', must be a southern thing.... take a perfectly healthy food and deep fry it, yea, thats the ticket...

Damn. Now I'm going to have to stop by Sonic and pick up some fried jalapeno strips. Thanks Rich.

[dzolcali]

Damn. Now I'm going to have to stop by Sonic and pick up some fried jalapeno strips. Thanks Rich.

make sure to get the 99cent sunday cause it's mmm good.

[jmowens]

Noticed a TV advertisment for TGIF or Ruby Tuesdays for 'Fried string beans', must be a southern thing.... take a perfectly healthy food and deep fry it, yea, thats the ticket...

:chef: Deep-fry anything and we'll love it! I saw the same commercial, and they also have fried macaroni & cheese!

[jmowens]

Actually you can marry your first cousin here in TN now...Scarry.

Actually, northern states in general have much more lax laws about marrying relatives! We get a bad rap down here in the south, but if you do a little research (Google) you'll see that more southern states have laws against marrying cousins than Northern!
:lecture:

[RichP]

Actually, northern states in general have much more lax laws about marrying relatives! We get a bad rap down here in the south, but if you do a little research (Google) you'll see that more southern states have laws against marrying cousins than Northern!
:lecture:
The cousins are one thing, it's the sisters, brothers, aunts and uncles with the odd grandparent thrown in :D

[Root Moose]

(are you the diet expert moose...lay it down about the organic foods too, perhaps the fda should ban all the antibiotic infested blood infested milk and dairy products...or maybe you can still buy them for a reasonable price and suffer who knows what sort of long term effects.)

You are such a lazy poster.

As a matter of fact, yes, something needs to be done about that. Don't forget the steroid and anti-biotic infested beef, poultry, etc. either.

(so trans fats are at fault here for the unhealthy americans, along with beer, cigarettes, sugar, television, and antidepressants, lets ban those too right?)

Broad strokes on that brush, eh? You are confusing two issues. Unhealthy eating habits versus eating poison. In the case of smoking nothing has been done about it in a lot of jurisdictions because of the powerful pro smoking lobby. Up here it is illegal to smoke in a public place like restaurants. This is a relatively recent thing.

(apparently not, enlighten us, maybe we know what trans fats are and we choose not to eat them but still like the fact that if one day we wanted them, we could go eat them and not be breaking the law, it's called freedom, and it's becoming more and more scarce in america just like fergie said, sheep, scared of this and scared of that, lets let the government take over and fix it all for us right...wrong.)

Great logic. I guess you figure you need the ability to go out and get lead cans for canning food stuffs to? After all, it's not a health issue, it's a rights issue. And while you're at it open a restaurant and serve your lead laced wares to the public. It is your right after all. There you go wrapping yourself in the flag again instead of being objective about the issue at hand.

(keeping capitilist down, did you know that a portion of all tax payer dollars goes to preserving dehydrated milk...yes thats right because the government decided to put a price floor on milk to help farmers stay alive, the price floor in turn causes milk to be more expensive so people buy less milk, cows produce the same amount of milk regardless so what happens to all the extra..they dehydrate it and store it in warehouses incase we need to help out other countries like Africa(recall the many deaths that occurred from our foreign aid in africa to the young infants who were drinking dehydrated milks from the US instead of their mothers breast milk) so then what do you do with tons and tons of dried milk that you have no real purpose for? store it and store it and store it and let the tax payers pay more for their milk and have less budgeted tax money so we can store this milk...)

Let's stay with the topic at hand; farm-aid policy is just that: policy. There are so many different aspects of these types of policies that we could spend a whole day talking about it and just scratch the surface. Don't like it, get informed, write your representative(s), run for office, do something productive.

(These are things driven by the consumer base though, consumers said "we don't want unsafe cars, we won't buy them" so to compete with other car manufactures seat belts were invented and it evolved from there...your comparing apples with oranges moose.)

Iniitally yes, driven by the consumer through consumer's advovates like Ralph Nader and others. Later made into legislation through consumer activism and pressure on the legal entities involved in regulating the NHTSA. How is this different than the OP's original link? Sounds like an indentical process to me (research provides scientific basis to provide info, advocate(s) lobbies, legislation is formed, legislation is implemented)

(trust me, those of us against the trans fat ban are also against the patriot act.)

Good. I still think your priorities are skewed with respect to the trans fat issue. Keeping trans fats out of the food chain is no different than keeping other health hurting components/compounds/whatever out of the food chain.

[Root Moose]

Actually, northern states in general have much more lax laws about marrying relatives! We get a bad rap down here in the south, but if you do a little research (Google) you'll see that more southern states have laws against marrying cousins than Northern!
:lecture:

Yes, but is that because Northern states are more "into" marrying close relatives or is it because Southerners are more likely to marry close relatives?

<run, hide />

:D

[dzolcali]

Ralph Nader-nice name drop, did you know he turned down a hooker that the GM head of ops tried to set him up with, then the GM head of ops thought, hmm maybe he is gay, so he set him up with another hooker only it was a gay dude, he turned that dude down too...Nader what a guy.

anyways, didn't mean to get off topic with the milk thing but I was mainly saying that the intervention of the government does indeed mess with the laws of supply and demand. If people don't want trans fats they will go to better restraunts like "jason's deli" who refuse to serve anything that is trans fat or related. Unfortunately Americans like their foods whether it be healthy or not. Now comparing trans fat to lead or agent orange...thats a bit extreme cmon' now. Sure it clogs your arteries, it makes people have strokes, it is indeed an addictive thing as well considering that breaking an eating habit is probably more hard than quiting smoking. Just ask mcdonalds why do you think they market to young children because they can brainwash them early. But you can't just go around banning things cause you don't like them. I don't like cigarettes should i start a huge campaign against the pointless and completely ignorant practice of smoking cigarettes? NO it's not my right to take away anothers right to smoke. Doesn't bother me if they want to either, I just personally choose not to.
So the FDA allowed this stuff to be produced, they haven't called for a recall on that, so why can NY ban it just because...
think about how many people will go out of business, think about all the consequences of banning a food product like trans fats. Now taxing those who use it...I can see that, it will reverse the effects, trans fatty foods cost will go up due to taxes, that will go to the consumer, eventually teh consumer will replace their desire for trans fatty foods with healthier foods, if he doesn't desire healthier foods he can continue to purchase trans fatty foods at an increased cost and America will still stand for America. Make sense?

[Root Moose]

Ralph Nader-nice name drop, did you know he turned down a hooker that the GM head of ops tried to set him up with, then the GM head of ops thought, hmm maybe he is gay, so he set him up with another hooker only it was a gay dude, he turned that dude down too...Nader what a guy.

So is that a good thing or a bad thing RE: Ralph Nader turning down multiple hookers?

I still haven't determined if I'm talking to a wall or if you/me are missing a subtlety of the debate.

If people don't want trans fats they will go to better restraunts like "jason's deli" who refuse to serve anything that is trans fat or related.

Really, is everyone out there, including "the stupid" and "the smart", that well informed? Do you ask whether they use trans fats at every place you buy food?

Now comparing trans fat to lead or agent orange...thats a bit extreme cmon' now. Sure it clogs your arteries, it makes people have strokes, it is indeed an addictive thing as well considering that breaking an eating habit is probably more hard than quiting smoking.

This is where your argument falls apart. Maybe this is the aforementioned subtlety?

Trans fats are not addictive. Perhaps what can be made with trans fats are addictive (you have an addiction to french fries?!) but the trans fats themselves are not addictive. Trans fats can be easily replaced with natural cooking oils, etc for a very minimal cost difference.

But you can't just go around banning things cause you don't like them.

Again, the subtlety, as posted above "...keeping trans fats out of the food chain is no different than keeping other health hurting components/compounds/whatever out of the food chain.". A comparison to lead or arsenic is very apropos; you can eat either for a "very long time" before it will kill you.

I don't like cigarettes should i start a huge campaign against the pointless and completely ignorant practice of smoking cigarettes? NO it's not my right to take away anothers right to smoke. Doesn't bother me if they want to either, I just personally choose not to.

In your case no - you don't have public health care. That said, I bet your health insurance provider charges a higher premium for a smoker compared to a non-smoker.

So the FDA allowed this stuff to be produced, they haven't called for a recall on that, so why can NY ban it just because...

This is a specious argument. It implies that people can not learn from mistakes or that beauracracy can not be short circuited between different levels of government.

think about how many people will go out of business...

Got milk?

, think about all the consequences of banning a food product like trans fats. Now taxing those who use it...I can see that, it will reverse the effects, trans fatty foods cost will go up due to taxes, that will go to the consumer, eventually teh consumer will replace their desire for trans fatty foods with healthier foods, if he doesn't desire healthier foods he can continue to purchase trans fatty foods at an increased cost and America will still stand for America. Make sense?

No, because:

* you are adding taxes to the system - when is adding taxes a good thing?

* adding taxes to a system means adding beauracracy to a system - which means more taxes.

* we aren't talking about a health choice, we are talking about removing a toxin from the food chain.

[IcedXJ]

I knewo f trans fats, but that is only because I am very into food :D and not just eating it.

I agree it is awful to consume such things, I ask the question though for those looking for a cheap solution for a quick meal where can they go when on the road or in a short break period. What product can be used to create food products as cheap as they are created with stuff (that contains trans fats)?

[Lawn Cher']

I am very into food :D and not just eating it.

You LOVE apple pie, dontcha.

[IcedXJ]

You LOVE apple pie, dontcha.
only if it is warm :D I tend to toss it up :roll:

[RichP]

only if it is warm :D I tend to toss it up :roll:

Next time try it with a good dark chocolate ice cream, that'll help keep it down.... :D :D

[XJ Dreamin']

Next time try it with a good dark chocolate ice cream, that'll help keep it down.... :D :D

Blue Bell Milk Chocolate with Hershey's chocolate syrup

[dzolcali]

so then if everyone agrees that trans fats are toxins...as you put it. Then ban it. If it is not a toxin then don't but the minor cost difference between using good oil and trans fats...just tax the trans fats, or provide tax breaks for those who don't use it, thats not banning anything but it is influencing the free market. Root are you one of those tree huggin hippies that wants everyone to be like them so they aren't alone in the woods with their organic foods and non-consumerism?

[Root Moose]

Root are you one of those tree huggin hippies that wants everyone to be like them so they aren't alone in the woods with their organic foods and non-consumerism?

Hardly...

:twak:

[IcedXJ]

Hardly...

:twak:
:twak::twak::twak::twak:
:twak::twak::twak::twak:

ah I feel better...