Project "Ryno MJ"

[Ryno XJ]

Well some of you have had an Idea of my "new" to me project, but for the rest of you here it is:
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/rynoxj/PIC_0084.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/rynoxj/PIC_0087.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/rynoxj/PIC_0088.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/rynoxj/PIC_0090.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/rynoxj/PIC_0091.jpg
1986 4wd longbed 2.5L 5 speed. I want to put in a 4.3l Chevy engine with a 700r4 trans. I plan on making it the tow rig for my orange XJ.
Any questions,comments,yeahs or nays?

[bcmaxx]

Well some of you have had an Idea of my "new" to me project, but for the rest of you here it is:
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/rynoxj/PIC_0084.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/rynoxj/PIC_0087.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/rynoxj/PIC_0088.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/rynoxj/PIC_0090.jpg
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/rynoxj/PIC_0091.jpg
1986 4wd longbed 2.5L 5 speed. I want to put in a 4.3l Chevy engine with a 700r4 trans. I plan on making it the tow rig for my orange XJ.
Any questions,comments,yeahs or nays?

nice! i would not even think about towing with it though,even with a v6 and a tranny that can handle it

[Wiser]

yay

[besthaticouldo]

i dig it!

[swbooking]

Sweet Dean! Lemme know if you need some help with it. :D

[BajaCurt]

Sweeeeet Dean!!!
The last time I talked to Jake at T&J he mentioned you had picked up an MJ
But I kept quiet :gag:
But there seems to be something wrong with it
I just can't put my finger on it though.....
Maybe the front clip doesn't look like an 86...no that's not it
seems like something else is out of place
just looks wrong for a Ryno vehicle
hmmmmmm ??????

Wait

I got it

IT'S NOT ORANGE !!!!!! :D :D :D

[swbooking]

Nooooo dont paint it Orange! It looks awesome in black!

[Leep]

Now I know I have seen that somewhere before, or maybe I just saw the oil drippings.

Hmmmmmm, anyway, sounds like alot of fun.:gee:

[BajaCurt]

It really does look good black
You know Dean though ...

[Ryno XJ]

nice! i would not even think about towing with it though,even with a v6 and a tranny that can handle it

I plan on some frame strengthening along with a few other upgrades.

yay

:D

i dig it!

:D

Sweet Dean! Lemme know if you need some help with it. :D

Thanks, I will definately be recruiting help on this one.

Sweeeeet Dean!!!
The last time I talked to Jake at T&J he mentioned you had picked up an MJ
But I kept quiet :gag:
But there seems to be something wrong with it
I just can't put my finger on it though.....
Maybe the front clip doesn't look like an 86...no that's not it
seems like something else is out of place
just looks wrong for a Ryno vehicle
hmmmmmm ??????

Wait

I got it

IT'S NOT ORANGE !!!!!! :D :D :D

Not yet!!!!!!!!

Nooooo dont paint it Orange! It looks awesome in black!

Sorry, I got a reputation to uphold!!!

[swbooking]

:rattle:

[johnnyc]

Welcome to the MJ club!

[Carol.92124]

Maybe do black AND orange, and a nice Halloween theme? :skull2: LOL

[mikedashg]

Cool. I like it. I like MJs, esp with clean and new front clips. But looks a little high and I wouldn't want to tow an XJ with it.

[Jump This]

Orange.
Black doesn't work too well when you are out in the desert.

[1xfloppy]

ryno that thing looks all too familiar

[JohnX]

If you're really gonna tow with it, better BEEF the hell outta the "frame". I would also skip the V6 and pick up a V8.

And if you intend to flat tow....add about 1000 lbs of gear to the bed....MINIMUM! Too light in the ass and you'll get pushed around a corner someday.

[JohnX]

ryno that thing looks all too familiar

I was thinking the same thing...is that my old truck?????? :D

[Ryno XJ]

I'm still working out the details of the entire project. I'm gonna start with the engine and trans swap, then go from there. The initial plan is to make it the twin for ol' orange! Right now I'm just trying to collect parts and knowledge.
Thanks for all the input and comments, and Cory, couldn't tell you why it seems familiar. :shhh:

[xtimmax]

its not orange!!!! But still kinda cool.

[1xfloppy]

the one you sold boh and then boh sold to me....i tell you man that truck is a whore lolI was thinking the same thing...is that my old truck?????? :D

[Ryno XJ]

the one you sold boh and then boh sold to me....i tell you man that truck is a whore lol


Just keeping it in the family!! :looney:

[1xfloppy]

lolJust keeping it in the family!! :looney:

[Blazair]

I want to put in a 4.3l Chevy engine with a 700r4 trans.
I have a 1993 4.3 Vortec/4L60E avaialble. Needs some work / rebuild..

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

boh will be glad to see his trucks in good hands now that corys done homofying it :D

[Ryno XJ]

I have a 1993 4.3 Vortec/4L60E avaialble. Needs some work / rebuild..

Pm sent.

[silverslk]

boh will be glad to see his trucks in good hands now that corys done homofying it :D


HAHAHAHAHA. Luckily for the truck, the trans went out and it leaked to much oil for even Cory to ruin.

[Johnnie Walker]

In my opinion, since you are doing a swap anyways? Why not a V8? Plenty of power and probably more reliable than a V6. Parts are cheap now, sure you could pick up an LS1, or a different LS motor for fairily cheap. Or even on of the newer 5.3L or 6.0L GM truck engines and swap a LS intake on it.

[Ryno XJ]

In my opinion, since you are doing a swap anyways? Why not a V8? Plenty of power and probably more reliable than a V6. Parts are cheap now, sure you could pick up an LS1, or a different LS motor for fairily cheap. Or even on of the newer 5.3L or 6.0L GM truck engines and swap a LS intake on it.


I keep going back and forth on the whole v-6,v-8 thing. I guess maybe I should start a poll on the subject. :sunshine:

[besthaticouldo]

do a v8!

man up! get some torque in that biatch!

[besthaticouldo]

Just keeping it in the family!! :looney:


thats incest you freak...lol :confused1

[LastMJ]

Hey Dean, I'm gonna have to agree on the engine deal. That V6 has got some power, but I think you'll be hating life when you try to tow.

One option for the V8 is the 4.7L Chrysler engine. Great motor, good power, even if you don't get the H.O. version. Just a thought.

[silverslk]

I vote DIESEL!!!!! haha


Or since its a 1986 just grab an LT1 out of a caprice or camaro in the yard.

[Ryno XJ]

A diesel would be interesting. Well there are so many options(engine wise), I guess I will be doing some homework on the subject. I was hoping to get something that would easily bolt up ( or at least without a lot of fab work) unless of course I can get some help.......hint...hint! :cheers:

[IslanderOffRoad]

GM V8.

[JohnX]

GM V8 or Cummins 4bt.

My picks.

[besthaticouldo]

5.9 (360)...lol thats what i wanna do...

[GSequoia]

A diesel would be interesting. Well there are so many options(engine wise), I guess I will be doing some homework on the subject. I was hoping to get something that would easily bolt up ( or at least without a lot of fab work) unless of course I can get some help.......hint...hint! :cheers:

Are you going to drive it a lot? With the price if diesel it just isn't too practical for a daily driver these days, whether it's going to become practical again I do not know.

If the price of fuel doesn't factor in I'm with John on suggesting a 4bt. The more expensive option would be a CRD out of a Liberty (not sure if the Dodge Sprinter CRD is the same or if it'll fit, but that might be an easier to obtain swap if so since the sell them in California).

[Gerr]

I wouldn't tow the xj with a mj you really want something wider and longer that weighs more than what you are towing. As for engine it all depends what you want to do with the truck.
4.3 is a decent all around work hoarse of a motor and plenty of hoppup parts are out there

[GSequoia]

You could always do this:

http://www.jeepforum.com/gallery/data/13/Comanche98.JPG

[swbooking]

You could always do this:

http://www.jeepforum.com/gallery/data/13/Comanche98.JPG
LOL! That thing is awesome!

[Ryno XJ]

Ouch....my brain hurts! I plan on driving the truck quite a bit, It's gonna hit trails and be a recovery type vehicle. I'm thinking of making it a flat bed also, it sounds like the tow vehicle thing may be too much for this project. Keep the suggestions coming please, it helps to get input from so many people.

[GSequoia]

Ouch....my brain hurts! I plan on driving the truck quite a bit, It's gonna hit trails and be a recovery type vehicle. I'm thinking of making it a flat bed also, it sounds like the tow vehicle thing may be too much for this project. Keep the suggestions coming please, it helps to get input from so many people.

Hmm...

Sounds like Ryno wants to build CalTRANS.

[LastMJ]

There are a huge amount of options you can go with! And as you can tell, everyone has their opinion! Who ever said Jeepin (and Jeep modifying) was easy? LoL It's all part of the fun.

[LastMJ]

There's a person doing the Libby CRD Conversion on his MJ over on the ComancheClub.com forum too. SHould be a pretty sweet conversion.

[Johnnie Walker]

I keep going back and forth on the whole v-6,v-8 thing. I guess maybe I should start a poll on the subject. :sunshine:
Honestly, the mileage is decent, especially, if you gear properly. One thing I have also wanted to do is a 4BT swap, you can get great mileage out of those. I would say a V8 that would take the least amount of work installing would be a 318 out of a ZJ or Dakota.

[xtimmax]

Hey dean, I'll sell you the motor outta the durango.. its a 4.7. I'll give you a deal, But the motor and the rest will come with it.... btw. it has no transfer case.




:D

[LastMJ]

My issue with the 318 and the 360 is that they are a physically large motor. I saw an XJ not to long ago with a 360 in it and they had a lot of things to deal with to get it in there. Custom headers, custom intermediate steering shaft, etc. The 4.7L fits beautifully. Nick at Jeeptricks put one into one of his MJs with a NV3550 behind it and a 242, wicked set up.

Not to mention weight differences. The 4.7L is only 50lbs heavier than the 4.0L, partly bcuz of it's aluminum heads. The 318 or 360 are quite a bit heavier.

The 318 and 360 engines are great, don't get me wrong. But power to weight, you can't beat the 4.7L. I believe the low output 4.7 is 250hp and the H.O. version is 280hp. The 360 I had in my 98 Ram only had 245hp when it was new/in stock form.

[Johnnie Walker]

My issue with the 318 and the 360 is that they are a physically large motor. I saw an XJ not to long ago with a 360 in it and they had a lot of things to deal with to get it in there. Custom headers, custom intermediate steering shaft, etc. The 4.7L fits beautifully. Nick at Jeeptricks put one into one of his MJs with a NV3550 behind it and a 242, wicked set up.

Not to mention weight differences. The 4.7L is only 50lbs heavier than the 4.0L, partly bcuz of it's aluminum heads. The 318 or 360 are quite a bit heavier.

The 318 and 360 engines are great, don't get me wrong. But power to weight, you can't beat the 4.7L. I believe the low output 4.7 is 250hp and the H.O. version is 280hp. The 360 I had in my 98 Ram only had 245hp when it was new/in stock form.

An LSx or a LQ base with an LS intake is better than all of them, except for maybe a 4BT. As the LS1 has 320hp stock..

[scully]

You could always do this:

http://www.jeepforum.com/gallery/data/13/Comanche98.JPG
looks like the one i just picked up- but that ones seen better days and has a couple extra wheels...
http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu276/scullyxscully/photo.jpg

[Ryno XJ]

Hmm...

Sounds like Ryno wants to build CalTRANS.

HAHAHAHA!!!

Hey dean, I'll sell you the motor outta the durango.. its a 4.7. I'll give you a deal, But the motor and the rest will come with it.... btw. it has no transfer case. :D

WTF Tim, you dumping the Durbango? Pm me your price.

An LSx or a LQ base with an LS intake is better than all of them, except for maybe a 4BT. As the LS1 has 320hp stock..

An LS1 would be nice! It looks like a V-8 seems to be the popular choice.
The biggest problem with the 8 is getting a big enough radiator to cool it.

[swbooking]

The biggest problem with the 8 is getting a big enough radiator to cool it.

Thats not the problem... Its finding the money to to pay for that radiator thats the problem :D

I say LS1 or the DOHC Ford Cobra Motor :D

[JohnX]

Are you going to drive it a lot? With the price if diesel it just isn't too practical for a daily driver these days, whether it's going to become practical again I do not know.

If the price of fuel doesn't factor in I'm with John on suggesting a 4bt. The more expensive option would be a CRD out of a Liberty (not sure if the Dodge Sprinter CRD is the same or if it'll fit, but that might be an easier to obtain swap if so since the sell them in California).

Two things...4bt is WAY cheaper than a CRD motor. 4bt will get WAY better mileage than any V6 or V8. Unloaded mileage would be in the high 20's....well worth the extra $.25 at the pump. Towing mileage would still be in the mid to high teens.


The biggest problem with the 8 is getting a big enough radiator to cool it.

Another reason to go diesel. A diesel engine runs cooler than gas :D


If you do decide to go with a 4bt....do yourself one huge favor, make sure it is a inline injector pump(bosch), NOT rotary. Also, be sure to get one from a vehicle of some kind. For it to be a legal swap it CANNOT be from a generator, pump, or other stationary device.

[Ryno XJ]

[quote=swbooking;244235074]Thats not the problem... Its finding the money to to pay for that radiator :D


Money? What's that?
Hell I'm gonna spend it anyways....why not on a LS1?

[JohnX]

If you do go 4bt with a bosch pump....let me know :D

We can seriously improve power output without changing fuel mileage.

[Ryno XJ]

If you do go 4bt with a bosch pump....let me know :D

We can seriously improve power output without changing fuel mileage.

I will definately talk to you more if I go diesel. Never got into the diesels myself, so I am not up on all the tricks of running one. Do you have a line on the engines, or at least point me in the right direction?

[GSequoia]

I will definately talk to you more if I go diesel. Never got into the diesels myself, so I am not up on all the tricks of running one. Do you have a line on the engines, or at least point me in the right direction?

I'll distract the UPS driver....

[JohnX]

This would be ideal....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4btaa-cummins-4bt-3-9-3-9l-inline-pump-allison-tranny_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a7 Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQ hashZitem170297133561QQitemZ170297133561QQptZMotor sQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Notice the inline pump...very important.

Comes with a Allison trans which would be cool, but won't work with the transfercase. You could probably get enough from the Allison to buy all the other needed parts...bellhousing and starter, etc. to go with a chevy, dodge, or ford trans.

Bellhousings on the 6bt's are changeable, I would have to assume the 4bts are the same way.

If you just search "4bt" on ebay you will find anything you need.


Just noticed the one I posted has the bellhousing removed....So yes, they are interchangeable.

[Ryno XJ]

I'll distract the UPS driver....

:eyes: :D

[xtimmax]

WTF Tim, you dumping the Durbango? Pm me your price.


Cant.. Its not in my name. I also cant afford to buy a new car either..

[MJ4BTA]

This would be ideal....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4btaa-cummins-4bt-3-9-3-9l-inline-pump-allison-tranny_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a7 Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQ hashZitem170297133561QQitemZ170297133561QQptZMotor sQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Notice the inline pump...very important.
I agree the inline P series pumps are FAR superior to the VE rotary pumps, the problem is intercooler plumbing under a stock hood that will clear the P series injection lines. I had a line on a P pumped conversion for my 4BTA powered '92 MJ, but passed on it due to space constraints. The VE pump can make ALOT of torque at very respectable MPG's, and are much cheaper to obtain. With around $60 in parts and about 1.5 hours of work my truck is making about 190hp/470ftlbs at the crank and averages 28mpg. If you are worried about the weight added from an engine swap, than a 4BT is not for you, it weighs over 750lbs. But, for towing, you can't beat and engine that makes nearly 500ft lbs at 1800rpm.

[Ryno XJ]

I agree the inline P series pumps are FAR superior to the VE rotary pumps, the problem is intercooler plumbing under a stock hood that will clear the P series injection lines. I had a line on a P pumped conversion for my 4BTA powered '92 MJ, but passed on it due to space constraints. The VE pump can make ALOT of torque at very respectable MPG's, and are much cheaper to obtain. With around $60 in parts and about 1.5 hours of work my truck is making about 190hp/470ftlbs at the crank and averages 28mpg. If you are worried about the weight added from an engine swap, than a 4BT is not for you, it weighs over 750lbs. But, for towing, you can't beat and engine that makes nearly 500ft lbs at 1800rpm.

Thanks for the info, the one issue I am gonna have is my MJ is an '86 which has the small engine compartment. I think there is going to be some modifications done to the engine compartment with whatever combo I use.
How is the diesel on the trail?

[JohnX]

Thanks for the info, the one issue I am gonna have is my MJ is an '86 which has the small engine compartment. I think there is going to be some modifications done to the engine compartment with whatever combo I use.
How is the diesel on the trail?

Gonna have to make up your mind....is this a tow rig or a trail runner :D

[Ryno XJ]

Gonna have to make up your mind....is this a tow rig or a trail runner :D


What? I can't have it all? :bawl:
In a perfect world, it would be nice to tow my trail rig out with the MJ and also be able to use it as a recovery vehicle(tools,air,spare parts,and winches) so if I can get something close to that I'd be happy. :sunshine:

[BajaCurt]

What? I can't have it all? :bawl:
In a perfect world, it would be nice to tow my trail rig out with the MJ and also be able to use it as a recovery vehicle(tools,air,spare parts,and wenches) so if I can get something close to that I'd be happy. :sunshine:

Fixed it for you Dean :D

[Ryno XJ]

:laugh::laugh:

[LastMJ]

An LSx or a LQ base with an LS intake is better than all of them, except for maybe a 4BT. As the LS1 has 320hp stock..

Very true - Though the Chrysler engine will be easier to get through California's smog system. For some reason they are a little more lenient on motor swaps from same brand. ie using a Grand Cherokee computer to run the motor. Not to say it can't be done, we have done it here at T and J many times.

Either way you go Dean....for a tow rig, that 4cyl has got to go! For a trail rig, It would be nice to have a bigger engine in there, but you don't need it...but want it. Hell, we all want it for you! haha

[Ryno XJ]

Might have a line on a complete diesel motor and trans, might even get a full width D60, If the price is right I might just drop it in the MJ and run full width axles. D44 up front and D60 rear. It'll be a lot of work , but it will also be fun.

[tcm glx]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t61/gmhracer/o94v9v.jpg

[Ryno XJ]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t61/gmhracer/o94v9v.jpg
Does it come in orange?......me likey. Ok tony when do we start? :patriot:

[BajaCurt]

Now you're talking !!!!!!!
Do it Dean Do it !!!!!

[swbooking]

I love that one... but this one is just insane:

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/IMG_1889.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/desert%20MJ/IMG_0801.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/desert%20MJ/IMG_0933.jpghttp://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/desert%20MJ/IMG_0934.jpghttp://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/desert%20MJ/IMG_1079.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/desert%20MJ/CRW_3438_RJ.jpg

Or this one:

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/Salep18977n2.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182/TNTACR/Salep18977n1.jpg

[alek21]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t61/gmhracer/o94v9v.jpg

dang i like that color!

[BajaCurt]

Ok that is enough guys.
I gotta go clean myself up :D

[Ryno XJ]

Damn it! :gonnablow Just when I think I know what direction I want to go with this you guys post stuff like that! Those are some bad rigs.

[89cherokeexj]

As of matter of fact the black one in the last two pictures I went and looked it. It was a really sick MJ. The guy that owned it was going to hook me up on a smoking deal on it. I just didnlt have the money or time to invest in it at the time.

[JohnX]

Better question, do any of those come in 4 wheel drive? :roll:

[tcm glx]

Better question, do any of those come in 4 wheel drive? :roll:

Nah, its overrated!

[LastMJ]

As of matter of fact the black one in the last two pictures I went and looked it. It was a really sick MJ. The guy that owned it was going to hook me up on a smoking deal on it. I just didnlt have the money or time to invest in it at the time.


How much did they want for it? Not that I can afford it, but I can dream!:roll:

[Johnnie Walker]

Two things...4bt is WAY cheaper than a CRD motor. 4bt will get WAY better mileage than any V6 or V8. Unloaded mileage would be in the high 20's....well worth the extra $.25 at the pump. Towing mileage would still be in the mid to high teens.

Actually, I have seen high 20s from LS powered vehicles, all depends on the gearing/trans and how you drive it. But overall, for what it is, YES the 4bt will have better mileage.

[JohnX]

Actually, I have seen high 20s from LS powered vehicles, all depends on the gearing/trans and how you drive it. But overall, for what it is, YES the 4bt will have better mileage.

Easily done when your drag coeffiecient is slightly less than an f16 (vette or camaro).

Show me a truck with an LS motor that gets over 20 around town :D and no, hybrids don't count.

[Ryno XJ]

Well it looks like for financial reasons the 4.3 is going to be closer to my budget (like I'm gonna stick to a budget.......don't tell my wife I said that! :eyes:) any way, for now that's what is going in. I am still considering the diesel for a future project though. Soooo who wants to turn some wrenches? :D

[xtimmax]

pick me! Pick me! I don't mind getting dirty on any of your jeeps....... As long as its not your 95. :D

[Leep]

Well it looks like for financial reasons the 4.3 is going to be closer to my budget (like I'm gonna stick to a budget.......don't tell my wife I said that! :eyes:) any way, for now that's what is going in. I am still considering the diesel for a future project though. Soooo who wants to turn some wrenches? :D

Ohh noooooooo...:doh:

Dean has one in mind on the back burner...:wierd:

[Ryno XJ]

Well, I just found out recently that the MJ I have is a late body style change. That means that a 4.0 will fit in there after all, so now I'm thinking 4.2 stroker engine. Guess I'll start looking for a donor vehicle that has the parts I need.
Thanks for the info Bo.

[Johnnie Walker]

4.2? Why not 4.5?

[JohnX]

4.2? Why not 4.5?

I think he just meant he'd be using a 4.2 crank, probably go at least to a 4.6 anyway :D

[JohnX]

BTW, I have a 88 4.0 and a 4.2 crank if you're intersted, don't think I'll ever find the time to put them together.

[Ryno XJ]

BTW, I have a 88 4.0 and a 4.2 crank if you're intersted, don't think I'll ever find the time to put them together.

How much?

[Monkey55]

Hey Dean...

It looks like you're going to have fun with this project.... I'm waiting to see what motor you actually put in that puppy.. I would say to do a propane conversion, but the tanks are BIG.. I say propane for no particular reason... just because.. :D

Anywho, from the looks of your XJ, I'm sure your MJ will come out looking cool...


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[jeeperjohn]

Hey Dean...

It looks like you're going to have fun with this project.... I'm waiting to see what motor you actually put in that puppy.. I would say to do a propane conversion, but the tanks are BIG.. I say propane for no particular reason... just because.. :D

Anywho, from the looks of your XJ, I'm sure your MJ will come out looking cool...


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If you do a CNG conversion you can fill it up right from your garage.

[Ryno XJ]

Hey Dean...

It looks like you're going to have fun with this project.... I'm waiting to see what motor you actually put in that puppy.. I would say to do a propane conversion, but the tanks are BIG.. I say propane for no particular reason... just because.. :D

Anywho, from the looks of your XJ, I'm sure your MJ will come out looking cool...


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Once I get everything together I will document the build and post updates.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, I'm looking forward to getting started.
:cheers:

[Monkey55]

If you do a CNG conversion you can fill it up right from your garage.

There are 2 setbacks - 1) The general public can not buy CNG conversion kits..... legally.. Only certified installers are allowed to buy kits from the manufactures. 2) You would need a Phil Station in order to get the natural gas from your house to your car...

I looked into this for MANY years.. ;)

Th public can buy propane kits for "off-road" use.... :D

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[Ryno XJ]

Well last night while I was not sleeping, I started to think of my project and came to an interesting Idea. As I was trying to figure out how I am going to get parts, and how much it was going to cost, I remembered that I have a '95 4 door that would be a perfect donor. Of course I have to ask the boss first, plus I need to figure out if I want to ravage the '95 for the '86 MJ.

[alek21]

do it! 4 doors are over rated anyway :D

[Gerr]

Well last night while I was not sleeping, I started to think of my project and came to an interesting Idea. As I was trying to figure out how I am going to get parts, and how much it was going to cost, I remembered that I have a '95 4 door that would be a perfect donor. Of course I have to ask the boss first, plus I need to figure out if I want to ravage the '95 for the '86 MJ.

Don't kill a good jeep when there's no reason that the 95 should be parted out