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Jeff C.
September 25th, 2006, 10:59
I think they missed the point. Holding off hating it until I see how the Freedom Drive II works. 25 mph + would be nice for my commute.

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Friday September 22, 2006
New Jeep Patriot cuts a wide driving swath
by MALCOLM GUNN / Wheelbase Communications

Do you remember the Cherokee?


Jeep certainly hopes you do, and in a fond way. It's a big reason why this DaimlerChrysler division has added the Patriot to its ever-expanding range of sport-utility vehicles.


It's similar-looking to the Cherokee, intentionally so, but cuts a wider swath, from easy-going boulevard cruiser to rugged, range-rumbling off-roader. It joins the entry-level Compass and completely madeover Wrangler as Jeep's new-for-2007 entries. The Patriot/Compass duo is heavily based on the Dodge Caliber wagon and shares many of the same mechanical components.


For the Patriot, however, it's all about emulating the Cherokee, a squarish model that was created four years before Jeep was acquired from the American Motors in 1987. The Cherokee left in 2001, but legions of devoted fans still long for the old warhorse and its straightforward and boxy styling as well as its on- and off-trail capabilities.


The Patriot is zoned in on recapturing at least some of the Cherokee's past glory in a fairly faithful and low-cost ($16,000 base price) way by using an existing platform.


Compared to the Jeep Compass, which happens to be the first Jeep not intended for off-road duty, the Patriot, or at least one of its models, is "Trail Rated," referring to California's Rubicon Trail, an off-road torture-test route strung through the Sierra Nevada mountain range. Make it here and the Trail Rated stamp is yours.


The base two-wheel-drive Patriot, as well as models fitted with the basic Freedom Drive I four-wheel-drive system, don't qualify for Trail Rated status. For that you'll have to opt for the optional Freedom Drive II setup that includes a low-range 19:1 crawl axle ratio plus 17-inch wheels shod with all-terrain rubber that provides an extra inch of ground clearance. They're all necessary ingredients for tackling the backwoods and safely returning to civilization after the fun is over.


To keep the price low and to help deliver better fuel economy than the old Cherokee (exactly what Jeep needs in a climate of gas-price uncertainty) Jeep kept the Caliber's 172-horsepower 2.4-liter four-cylinder. With 165 lb.-ft. of torque, it's not exactly muscle-bound, but it should provide enough grunt to conquer most trails.


Transmission choices consist of a five-speed manual or optional continuously variable unit that was chosen for its 6 to 8 percent increase in fuel efficiency when compared with a traditional four-speed automatic.


Two versions of the Patriot, labeled Sport and Limited, are available and both can be had in two- or four-wheel drive. Standard Sport equipment includes side-curtain air bags, stability and traction control, anti-lock brakes, a slide-out load floor that can handle 250 pounds and manual windows and door looks.


Step up to the Limited and air conditioning, remote keyless entry, cruise control, power windows/locks/mirrors and tire-pressure monitoring are added to the feature list. Many of the Limited's standard features are also available on base models. However, notable Limited options include leather seats, sunroof, heated cloth (or leather) seats, satellite-based navigation system with voice activation, a handy removable flashlight built into the headliner and a premium nine-speaker, 458-watt sound system. The hinged twin-speaker rear unit on this boombox drops down from the raised liftgate for broadcasting music to anyone gathered outside the vehicle.


The Patriot will be an instant hit with buyers who treasure traditional Jeep values as projected through traditional Jeep shapes. Should that bit of nostalgia ever wear off, there's still a lot to love, from practicality to economy of operation to off-road capability, provided that option is selected.


Copyright 2006, Wheelbase Communications

RTicUL8
September 25th, 2006, 11:18
Found pages and pages of pics by Googling "Jeep Patriot."

However, I didn't see a single picture of a front OR REAR differential! :thumbdn:

Jeff C.
September 25th, 2006, 11:26
Independent suspension all around. Based on the Dodge Caliber, same suspension, platform, and drivetrain as the Compass. Freedom Drive II adds skids, tow hooks, electronic low range as part of the CVT2 transmission, and 1" additional height.

Atl XJ
September 25th, 2006, 11:26
Its on a FWD car platform. Its no XJ.

Darky
September 25th, 2006, 11:42
As said, its the Compass with a different body and a little extra ground clearance

Jeff C.
September 25th, 2006, 12:06
The Compass can't be had with the Freedom Drive II, which supposedly will do the Rubicon in stock form. The 19:1 electronic low range is an interesting concept.

RichP
September 25th, 2006, 12:08
The Compass can't be had with the Freedom Drive II, which supposedly will do the Rubicon in stock form. The 19:1 electronic low range is an interesting concept.

ANYTHING can do the rubicon with sufficient support vehicles equipped with winches and other materials...

RTicUL8
September 25th, 2006, 12:29
ANYTHING can do the rubicon with sufficient support vehicles equipped with winches and other materials...

Ha! That reminds me of one of my co-workers (17yr. old kid) who told me he went 4-wheeling in his Ford Probe.

It was banged up pretty good, but still ran.:rolleyes:

CRASH
September 25th, 2006, 13:11
ANYONE can do the rubicon with sufficient support vehicles equipped with winches and other materials...


Yeah, SoCal Chapter comes up here to "run" the trail all the time........

Atl XJ
September 25th, 2006, 15:07
The Compass can't be had with the Freedom Drive II, which supposedly will do the Rubicon in stock form. The 19:1 electronic low range is an interesting concept.
That not 19:1 like the Rubicons are 4:1, its the final gear ratio. I can't remember off hand what the XJ's comes out to, but its lower than that.

I'm sure it can do the Rubicon with plenty of rock stacking, taking the right lines, and beating the ever living shit out of it.

CRASH
September 25th, 2006, 15:12
I'd like a large order of Freedom Fries with my Freedom Drive.

Fairmonco
September 25th, 2006, 18:05
25 mph + would be nice for my commute.




Yeah,I can`t imagine driving any slower!

rocklandxjer
September 25th, 2006, 19:22
they really need to re release the cherokee...
or else im goin to start havin to buy a couple so i have em when im all growed up...

Menzenski
September 25th, 2006, 19:28
That not 19:1 like the Rubicons are 4:1, its the final gear ratio. I can't remember off hand what the XJ's comes out to, but its lower than that.
The stock crawl ratio for my 90 was 32:1, (and that was with 3.07 gears).

Glenn B
September 25th, 2006, 20:31
Yeah, SoCal Chapter comes up here to "run" the trail all the time........

That is just funny, I do do not care who ya are.

ECKSJAY
September 25th, 2006, 20:35
That is just funny, I do do not care who ya are.

SPOBI

I don't believe you have the ability to recognize humor.

:party:

Glenn B
September 25th, 2006, 20:38
SPOBI

I don't believe you have the ability to recognize humor.

:party:

Too funny. Loves ya, Phil.

ECKSJAY
September 25th, 2006, 20:41
Too funny. Loves ya, Phil.

So how ya been, Glenn?

Fish'nCarz
September 25th, 2006, 20:44
they really need to re release the cherokee...
or else im goin to start havin to buy a couple so i have em when im all growed up...
Just heard on the news tonight that DC is working a deal with a Chinese firm to build autos for the US of A market. They were guessing subcompacts, but hey, the Chinese have all the dies and stuff for the Cherokee, right?!

Glenn B
September 25th, 2006, 20:44
So how ya been, Glenn?
Loves ya, Phil.

Weasel
September 25th, 2006, 20:50
they can have it, none of the new generation Jeep vehicles interest me at all, even the new wrangler isn't doing it. Oh well plenty of used XJ and TJs around.

ECKSJAY
September 25th, 2006, 22:16
Loves ya, Phil.

http://radio.sbkradio.net:8000/listen.pls

:laugh:

bjoehandley
September 27th, 2006, 07:37
Mabye they should drop the Compass and Patriot names and just call the pair the Limited ang Grand Limited...................

Rocketman
September 27th, 2006, 07:59
I don't think the Patriot is the new XJ, I think the 4 door Wrangler is. The wheel base is longer than an XJ and the Rubi and off road package make it pretty capable right out of the box. Hard top, it looks a heck of a lot like a modernized XJ. I'm sure the lift options will come quickly. Throw on some 35's and with minor modifcations except for better gearing (losing the 4.10's) you have a great machine.

93 XJ
September 27th, 2006, 09:56
No sir I don't like it. It is just another grocery getting hauling kids around SUV (glorified minivan).

Bring back the Real Cherokee

Root Moose
September 27th, 2006, 18:20
I don't think the Patriot is the new XJ, I think the 4 door Wrangler is. The wheel base is longer than an XJ and the Rubi and off road package make it pretty capable right out of the box. Hard top, it looks a heck of a lot like a modernized XJ. I'm sure the lift options will come quickly. Throw on some 35's and with minor modifcations except for better gearing (losing the 4.10's) you have a great machine.
What he said.

I still haven't warmed up to the Wrangler yet but out of the line up it is the only one that matches.

Atl XJ
September 27th, 2006, 23:57
Not a fan of its 116" wheelbase.

Jeff C.
February 7th, 2007, 12:14
http://www.expeditionswest.com/equipment/reviews/patriot/index.htm

Interesting new review of the Patriot's off road ability.

Obviously I don't think the Patriot can replace the XJ. My 3 XJ's combined for almost 600,000 hard miles. I have a Liberty too and think it is a decent but boring ride. The Patriot might work for me on my 60 mile daily commute and weekend striper fishing on the beach. Less than 20k, 30 mpg, and apparantly passable offroad ability are attention getters.

kevin s
February 8th, 2007, 12:16
Not a fan of its 116" wheelbase.
103.7 vs 101.4 for the XJ

Torque is 1/3 less than the 4.0. Hmmm.