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Winks00XJ

January 21st, 2009, 17:46

Do you have any hard trails out there?

;)

Not for Slick Rick, but then it is all relative. I am willing to do H2H this time I am not sure why I chickened out last time. Any how, I am game for anything, I just not familiar enough with the area. I can lead a trail if you get me to the trail head.

Mdub

January 21st, 2009, 18:57

Not for Slick Rick, but then it is all relative. I am willing to do H2H this time I am not sure why I chickened out last time. Any how, I am game for anything, I just not familiar enough with the area. I can lead a trail if you get me to the trail head.

If my rig is still alive and fully operational on day 3, I fittin to run H2H too.

x*BIGASSALEX*j

January 21st, 2009, 22:26

Im up for anything, its not like my rig is suppose to be preety.

CrashSomers

January 22nd, 2009, 12:41

Do you have any hard trails out there?

;)

Yes there are all LVL trails from the lets go for a ride to lets go beat our rig up.

Mdub

January 22nd, 2009, 14:10

Yes there are all LVL trails from the lets go for a ride to lets go beat our rig up.

Hey Crash, Jump This is Rick the Sand Lizard from California :looser:. He actually knows the trails and from what I was told he even dragged ass through H2H in something very slightly resembling an XJ. Don't pay him no mind. If you want to meet him in person, stop by the :flame: around midnight, he'll be liquored up talking about hemorhoids :moon:

Jump This

January 22nd, 2009, 17:23

Hey Crash, Jump This is Rick the Sand Lizard from California :looser:. He actually knows the trails and from what I was told he even dragged ass through H2H in something very slightly resembling an XJ. Don't pay him no mind. If you want to meet him in person, stop by the :flame: around midnight, he'll be liquored up talking about hemorhoids :moon:

Hemorhoids?

:dunno:

:D

ashmanjeepxj

January 22nd, 2009, 18:34

Do you have any hard trails out there?

;)

YES.
Some pictures of the common trails in the area:
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=981164

If I show up and those aren't hard enough... we could run something really fun

mattyj

January 22nd, 2009, 19:12

Im definately in for H2H again. It was super fun last year & my junk works even better now.

So what else around there is the level of H2H, or slightly harder??

mattyj

January 22nd, 2009, 19:13

we could run something really fun[/B]

Hmmmmm, what ya thinking??

ashmanjeepxj

January 22nd, 2009, 19:31

I haven't done Elvis, Id like to run that with the group if its run. Not hard enough to break everyone but should have enough challenge to be fun.

Martinez cabin I havent done the whole loop only the rock garden, also not too difficult.

Box canyon is a must for the group that does the cabin. Really nice AZ scenery.

Lower and Upper Ajax would be good for the group. the lower part is easier, Those that dont want to continue can take the road pull out. those willing can do the extension third part as well.

The cokeovens "road" could be done by a group of the stockers, I even found it too boring and bumpy for one of my first trips out there.

H2H, woodies, X would be good for the less body damage concerned group.
Others trails would require raised gas tank and rear stretch to have enough departure angle to hit the steep falls. Or winch and drag technique.

ashmanjeepxj

January 22nd, 2009, 19:41

Im definately in for H2H again. It was super fun last year & my junk works even better now.

So what else around there is the level of H2H, or slightly harder??

Elvis (easier the H2H as Ive heard)
Upper Ajax Shorter but similar to H2H
X Much more body contact intensive then H2H very short.
WW First gate keeper is gnarly deeper then the H2H notch. The rest has some optional stuff overall easier then H2H (IF?) you make it through the first 10 feet.

Four other trails much Harder would require body damage and winch lines for most. Probably not a good option for this group, but it depends on what you bring.

mattyj

January 22nd, 2009, 19:44

I think we ran upper and lower Ajax last year, but cant be certain. I know there was a group that did the coke ovens. I think we also did woodpecker and a few of us did H2H.
Im definately interested in running some different stuff from last year. The scenery is amazing, so im sure wherever we are lead to will be great!

mattyj

January 22nd, 2009, 19:50

Four other trails much Harder would require body damage and winch lines for most. Probably not a good option for this group, but it depends on what you bring.

I have a winch & im definately not concerned about body damage. Most of the trails at JV have already left their mark. :D
i like challenging stuff but i have enough sence to know when something is over my rigs capabilities. Guess we'll see how things pan out when i get there.
Man, i cant wait!!

Gasman

January 22nd, 2009, 20:38

X Much more body contact intensive then H2H very short.

X2

X = guaranteed body damage in a full bodied rig. Ask me how I know :D But it's a fun short trail. I haven't seen it recently, but I couldn't see a way to avoid tagging the right rear.

Axle Alley is a good more difficult trail. Not much body damage potential, but it got it's name for a reason. Good falls to climb so 35's and ground clearance are pretty much necessary. The big fall is doable with an XJ wheelbase on the right line.

mattyj

January 22nd, 2009, 20:46

Gasman... where is that picture in your avatar from?

Jump This

January 22nd, 2009, 20:52

One thing is for sure, the Friday night run will be memorable.

:D

Mdub

January 22nd, 2009, 21:04

One thing is for sure, the Friday night run will be memorable.

:D

Gulp. I still limp from the last night run.:gee: Shotgun !

mattyj

January 22nd, 2009, 21:59

Gulp. I still limp from the last night run.:gee: Shotgun !

Damn.... that was fun. Ill never forget that line Rick and i took off the side of one the trails. Kyung was spotting us off huge ledge in the dark. I nearly shit myself watching Rick almost flop over the front, but gas out of it. Then it was my turn.... what a rush that was!!!

Winks00XJ

January 23rd, 2009, 08:20

Damn.... that was fun. Ill never forget that line Rick and i took off the side of one the trails. Kyung was spotting us off huge ledge in the dark. I nearly shit myself watching Rick almost flop over the front, but gas out of it. Then it was my turn.... what a rush that was!!!

I remember as well. You Cali guys did some crazy shit!

x*BIGASSALEX*j

January 23rd, 2009, 11:03

I remember as well. You Cali guys did some crazy shit!

So this was not the only time he did it following Kyung and Matty

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/xsiwannab/LA2008019.jpg

Jump This

January 23rd, 2009, 20:37

Not the only time.
Notice my brother shighting his pants.

Gasman

January 23rd, 2009, 20:45

Gasman... where is that picture in your avatar from?

I believe that's Willow Springs. It's east of Phx. The trail is gated and requires a permit from the National Forest District. Which is cool becasue it keeps the stackers and trash out. That trail is very scenic and fun to run. Here's some pic's I found:

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/gasmanxj/Willow11.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/gasmanxj/willow6.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/gasmanxj/willow8.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/gasmanxj/willowrocks4-22.jpg

JCSXJ

January 23rd, 2009, 21:16

Elvis is much easier than h2h. I've ran it several times. There are a couple optional lines that makes it more interesting overall is pretty easy. I would really like to do h2h again and have never done x but it sounds like a lot of fun. I don't have a winch, but I'm also not full bodied so it should be fine. Looking forward to running with you guys.

mattyj

January 23rd, 2009, 22:56

I believe that's Willow Springs. It's east of Phx. The trail is gated and requires a permit from the National Forest District. Which is cool becasue it keeps the stackers and trash out. That trail is very scenic and fun to run. Here's some pic's I found:

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/gasmanxj/Willow11.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/gasmanxj/willow6.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/gasmanxj/willow8.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/gasmanxj/willowrocks4-22.jpg

Wow... looks amazing there! Thanks for sharing

tcharon

January 24th, 2009, 13:44

All looks great, going out in the garage now to get more ready. Thanks for the pics.

GSequoia

January 24th, 2009, 13:57

Damn. I want to be Doctor Thom.

Travel all over the country to all of the events!

Coming to SoCal Fest in April or May Thom? ;)

tcharon

January 24th, 2009, 14:07

Damn. I want to be Doctor Thom.

Travel all over the country to all of the events!

Coming to SoCal Fest in April or May Thom? ;)

Not planning April, be at EJS in Moab. Nothing fun in May, wife wants Hawaii.Trying to put it together for SoCal Jambo 3/13 though, but may just stay on Phoenix & see if I can get those AZ guys to show me some of their wheelin. And hay, I was a great hard working dentist for 40 years to be able to wheel around now.

GSequoia

January 24th, 2009, 14:14

And hay, I was a great hard working dentist for 40 years to be able to wheel around now.

But you see, I don't want to go through work and junk like that in order to get what I want. I just want it handed to me now on a silver platter!

tcharon

January 24th, 2009, 14:19

But you see, I don't want to go through work and junk like that in order to get what I want. I just want it handed to me now on a silver platter!

Ya, I thought like that too when I was a young stud. OK lets get back to trails.

Jump This

January 24th, 2009, 15:54

But you see, I don't want to go through work and junk like that in order to get what I want. I just want it handed to me now on a silver platter!

ME TOO!

AZRockRunner

January 24th, 2009, 23:16

I wanna do Cottonwood Canyon Road, I hear its a REAL SHOCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

!!!1:wstupid:

themud

January 25th, 2009, 21:44

ashmanjeepxj

January 26th, 2009, 10:42

Im good for either UA or LA or either of the woodys, elvis, martinez loop, maybe H2H well see about that one x is out I still like my rig too much and well see about WW...
themud
Its almost wheelin time...
What you called "The Woodys" you mean the woodpeckers lower and upper.
If X is out for you so is WW, I saw it bend and dent cages last time a guy got stuck in it. Usually the body will need a high lift on it to get it unwedged then a winch to drag it out.

OddBallXJ

January 26th, 2009, 21:03

ashmanjeepxj

January 26th, 2009, 21:56

cdhowell and I ran X with a buddy not long ago with no damage. It is a narrow, steep, short trail.

Axle Alley- couple of stretched TJs just recently rolled nose over trying to do the last fall. Fortunately they were full caged. They had not pulled line.

Does anyone know OD or BM? I don't know where they are. I've seen a few pics.

Yes, OD has a very tight squeez and one AA size fall. I really like that trail, real short too.

BM is chill till the end, uphill sideways notch. I broke an alloy 35spline stub going up it last time. Its a real PITA for built rigs, I have tube dents from it, not fun just a PITA. Going down it is fun, that eliminates the bound up broke factor.

OddBallXJ

January 27th, 2009, 11:22

ashmanjeepxj

January 27th, 2009, 12:17

I'm going to guess that those trails would be rated 4.5+? You interested in leading folks through there? I don't know if anyone else knows them.

I'm going to try and have a friend (built buggy) show me the trailheads but I'm not built for them.

I can lead a run on OD.
BM Im not interested in leading, but well see.
Some suggestions
Hard trail list 1:
WW, AA, X, OD

Hard trail list 2:
LW, UW, H2H, UA

list 1 is harder then list 2.
Id recommend no more then 8 rigs for list 2 and no more then 6 for list 1.
If we have more we would need to be choosie on which trails to skip.

Jump This

January 27th, 2009, 12:21

Well welll welllll.....

Harder than H2H...

:clap:

cdhowell

January 30th, 2009, 08:18

I think X is easier than H2h, its just tight and tippy. Very short but fun.

mattyj

January 30th, 2009, 12:17

I'm happy to run just about anything, but can you zonies do something about the damn dusty roads heading out to and from the trails :D

AzRick

January 30th, 2009, 17:51

FYI....if you run Bad Medicine, be prepared for this.....

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa203/woodynorman/florence%20junction%20010109/073.jpg

It's a bitch!

4xSanta

January 30th, 2009, 18:26

it looks like its made for you Rick!......SANTA

Jump This

January 30th, 2009, 19:41

it looks like its made for you Rick!......SANTA

Looks like both Ricks would like that one.
:D

mattyj

January 30th, 2009, 20:16

Looks like both Ricks would like that one.
:D

and the token Aussie :D

ashmanjeepxj

January 30th, 2009, 22:27

BM can get ugly,

This was a busted Atlas output shaft, took three winches and a high lift to get it un stuck. Its not something you can just winch up if you get stuck.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t300/jhraya/Florence%204-29-2007/2007_04294-29-2007Florence0052.jpg

Same group one of the guy's beadlocks lost a bead trying to get through, pulled the bead out of the beadlock side!!

http://www.wheelingarizona.com/forums/files/thumbs/t_2007_04294_29_2007florence03_184.jpeg

A comp buggy broke a 9in ring and pinnion.
A toyota buggie severly bent a main leaf.
I think only three of us got up it then we went back down to drag out the carnage.

Last Time I ran it my buddie broke his d300 output yoke. I riped a brake line and a 35 spline alloy d60 shaft.

OddBallXJ

February 2nd, 2009, 12:14

I thought that trail was too much for me before I saw the pics. Now I KNOW it's too much! Do you think my stock D35 could handle it :D ?

themud

February 2nd, 2009, 21:01

sure could john just blow it up and carry all the pieces up one at a time :scared:

themud

KRAKER

February 5th, 2009, 10:54

Bunny Slopes for me.

ashmanjeepxj

February 9th, 2009, 12:14

Some suggestions
Hard trail list 1:
WW, AA, X, OD

Hard trail list 2:
LW, UW, H2H, UA

list 1 is harder then list 2.
Id recommend no more then 8 rigs for list 2 and no more then 6 for list 1.
If we have more we would need to be choosie on which trails to skip.

With the camp sight location specified those trail orders I had in mind would not be ideal.
The AA exit road to WW then back to camp at Box canyon is a LONG drive, Might need to drop WW off the list.
Hard trail list 1:
OD, X, AA

Hard trail list 2: (LW is a long ASS drive from camp at BOX canyon the trails continue North east further from camp. UA ends very far from camp, Most of the day would be on the dirt roads getting to and from camp. Might be only able to do two of the 4 due to Time)
UW, H2H

OddBallXJ

February 10th, 2009, 11:57

You're right, the trails are a long ways from camp, and that is something the BOD agonized about prior to selecting the current site. The alternative was to camp on ASTL in violation of the ASTL rules and regs and that was not an acceptable alternative.

Jump This

February 11th, 2009, 16:31

My rig is only marginally street legal.....

OddBallXJ

February 11th, 2009, 18:26

My rig is only marginally street legal.....

Not a problem. All trails can be reached through Box Canyon you do not need to be on the highway. It's just a little further than if we camped where we were camped last year

xj92

February 16th, 2009, 08:38

Martinez Canyon (the loop beyond the cabin) is one of my favorite ones there. It's a fairly short run.

themud

February 16th, 2009, 21:24

Martinez Canyon (the loop beyond the cabin) is one of my favorite ones there. It's a fairly short run.

yeah the loop is short but to get there takes forever...
themud

OddBallXJ

February 17th, 2009, 08:52

And the luge bypass (sluice) is not for the faint-of-heart.

xj_jack

March 9th, 2009, 23:42

Hey guys, howdy!

Noob here, just joined this forum and thinking of joining in the fun, however I would like to understand whether or not most everyone who is going will be doing the harder stuff, or if there is a group of guys who will be doing some of the easy stuff as well.

My XJ is my daily driver, wanna have some fun without breaking anything and denting it up.

Also, I have a buddy with a new Wrangler, is this outing limited to XJs only?

Thanks in advance!

x*BIGASSALEX*j

March 10th, 2009, 13:18

Well the majority will be XJ's, but as longest he is a cool guy anybody is welcomed. We are going to offer many trails from scenic to extreme. You honestly dont have to worry, about banging up your Heep. Also Our good runs will have bypasses, and we have done them with stock rigs too.

xj_jack

March 12th, 2009, 21:15

ashmanjeepxj

March 12th, 2009, 22:36

Quick question the previous owner put on 30" tires with no lift, and as they are slightly oversized, will I have issues with rub and scraping if I try to do some of the fun stuff, the more difficult trails?

They wont rub anything you need to keep...
Or do you mean belly height...no skid.

x*BIGASSALEX*j

March 12th, 2009, 23:23

Hey man - thanks for that info -

Quick question regarding the trails for me and my rig - the previous owner put on 30" tires with no lift, and as they are slightly oversized, will I have issues with rub and scraping if I try to do some of the fun stuff, the more difficult trails?

i wont lie, you'll probaby hear some dings and bangs, but keep in mind these Heeps are built solid... plus I alwasy remind everybody do what you are comfortable with, and you need a spotter dont be shy we are here to help.