UN-WRITTEN RULES DISCUSSION THREAD

[BOB]

I thought it would be a good idea to let newbies ask questions here at this thread.

1. Park opens at 9:00 am Saturday. Get there early to pay your admission and get your flag. I suggest you get there Friday and pay for Saturday. The line Saturday morning is long and it'll delay us getting out on time. The admission price to the Badlands is not included in your Winterfest fee. Also, I suggest you buy a red flag at your local Menards or Home depot. If not, you pay the price at the Badlands. there flagpole has a half inch male connector on the end.

2. Be ready for some damage. If you have never been to the Badlands, and have never wheeled before, try being a passenger the first day. There usually are plenty of open seats.

3. Each year we typically have a group of about 10 jeeps for each leader group. FOllow the leader procession. You will need a cb to communicate to the guy in front of you and behind you. Other handheld radios do not work. It must be a cb. (However, a CB is not recommended equipment for a NAXJA event)
a. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS have sight of the vehicle behind you. This prevents the group loosing a member or someone taking a wrong turn.

4. ALways allow room for the guy in front of you to get over and obstacle and have room to back up safely and quickly if he needs. Sometimes they don't make it over an obstacle and will need to reverse unexpectedly. You will also come across blind spots. Once you clear an obstacle, tell the driver behind you when it is clear. Do not go into a blind spot until you hear the driver in front of you say clear. You may need to call out to him if he forgets.

5. Occasionally, we will need to stop and help each other over obstacles. If you ever have a problem, just yell out. we will stop and get you through it. While, we are standing around helping each other. it is a good time to introduce yourself to each other.

These are just a few ideas. Please post up any questions or any thoughts you have.

BOB

[bigjeepman]

Bob,

I have never been to a NAXJA organized run but I have been on others. Who spots for the vehicles if there needs to be one. I hate when there are five spotters yelling five different directions.

We are still trying to get organized to come but i think we will be there!

[FlexdXJ]

Nice! This thread oughta help out a bit!:D

[BOB]

Bob,

I have never been to a NAXJA organized run but I have been on others. Who spots for the vehicles if there needs to be one. I hate when there are five spotters yelling five different directions.

We are still trying to get organized to come but i think we will be there!

We typically try to keep the train moving..slowly.
the trail leader usually uses his cb to communicate what obstacle is ahead. We ask each driver to maintain good communication with the driver in front of him and behind him. That generally works for standard trail hazards.

If we are in a rocky area or other extrordinary obstacle, the trail leader gets out and spots everyone through to the end of the train. If someone towards the end gets stuck or has an issue, the tral leaders gunner (co-leader at the end of the train, will get out and assist the driver.

BOB

[Rev Den]

Leaders are responsable for thier trail.

ONLY a leader, or his/her designate will spot.

This is for everyones safety, and sanity, the MWC has a strict "one spotter" rule.

Rev

[Fore Wheeler]

I'll spot.

I was trained by One Ton, or what ever he calls himself now. :D

[bigjeepman]

Thanks for thinking about our sanity. Every little bit of sanity I can keep helps out a bunch!

[Prepmech]

Times are Eastern Time at the Badlands, so set your watch and allow for the time change if applicable.

When on the trails, keep track of the person behind you. If everyone waits for the person behind them it prevents the groups from getting split up and people getting lost.

For CB communication, try learning the names of the person in front and behind you before you leave the parking lot.

You are not superman; you cannot keep your jeep from hitting a tree by trying to push away from it with your hand.

Do not be embarrassed to ask for help.

[macgyvr]

time changes does happen winterfest weekend. saturday night time will "spring" forward...

mac 'this will not affect the traditional campfire' gyvr

[FlexdXJ]

time changes does happen winterfest weekend. saturday night time will "spring" forward...

mac 'this will not affect the traditional campfire' gyvr

That gives you guys another hour! Oh no, all of us WF noobs are in for it aren't we? :D

[macgyvr]

That gives you guys another hour! Oh no, all of us WF noobs are in for it aren't we? :D

no, we lose an hour because it "springs" forward an hour...2 am becomes 3am...

probably better for you anyways ;)

mac 'back to green trail discussion' gyvr

[FlexdXJ]

no, we lose an hour because it "springs" forward an hour...2 am becomes 3am...

probably better for you anyways ;)

mac 'back to green trail discussion' gyvr

Oh, Crap that always confuses me!

[HaleYes]

Ya beat me to it BOB. I had plans of a thread of this nature....I just hadn't done it yet. Good idea! I changed the thread title as it applies to any and all WF attendees no matter what trail they're running.

I added that you should ALWAYS be able to see the vehicle behind you. This prevents rigs from getting seperated from the rest of the group. If you don't know which way the guy in front of you went after he up and over that hill.....you don't know where to go. Saftey first.

If you're unsure of an obstacle....get out and look. No harm in that at all. Park the Jeep, go look and see what you're getting into. Watch the guy in front of you. Watch where he places his tires, and what not.

Learn from others mistakes. If every one is nailing a tree at the bottom of a hill and beating their Jeeps up......do something different. Have someone winch you down, or winch yourself down.

[IllianaXJ]

Trail leader has the final say in any recovery decision or spotting situation.

[seanR]

Here is an other un-written rule...
If you open the door of the Rolling Ramada, throw a bag of uncooked meat at Lar and say, "Here, you can cook this too.".
The Meat WILL be thrown back, better hope is is thawed!

[Prepmech]

The most important unwritten rule:

What happens in Attica, stays in Attica!

[HaleYes]

Here is an other un-written rule...
If you open the door of the Rolling Ramada, throw a bag of uncooked meat at Lar and say, "Here, you can cook this too.".
The Meat WILL be thrown back, better hope is is thawed!

Well, she didn't kick me out the past few years? Oh, you mean something to cook......n/m.

[Prepmech]

Carhartts are the official uniform of Winterfest.

[BOB]

you fawktards have ADD....
stay on the subject!
:twak:

BOB

[HaleYes]

you fawktards have ADD....
stay on the subject!
:twak:

BOB
What are you bringing to the potluck Friday night BOB?

:illegalflipoffsmilie:

[XJ Stryker]

Potluck!! Forgot about that. Since I will be arriving T-day I think some Walmart chicken wings are in order so they will be hot.

[HaleYes]

Potluck!! Forgot about that. Since I will be arriving T-day I think some Walmart chicken wings are in order so they will be hot.
Buahahahaha!

You've never been to Attica have you.......

[BRIANHO13]

Unwritten rule #69 even Hale drinks at the camp fire.

[XJ Stryker]

Buahahahaha!

You've never been to Attica have you.......

I take it there is no Walmart close by hmmmm. Hope yall like pop-tarts

[HaleYes]

Unwritten rule #69 even Hale drinks at the camp fire.
At least a few sips anyway....

[jeeplas]

I take it there is no Walmart close by hmmmm. Hope yall like pop-tarts

There is a grocery store a not too far from the Badlands. I am sure they have something.

I am bringing crab pasta salad to the pot luck.

[FlexdXJ]

for reference how does the green trail compare to oh..... say trail 21 at redbird? When you say be ready for damage are you talking body damage or worse? I don't really mind too much about body damage after redbird in august. I am driving it there and back so i don't want to smash a rock up into my t-case or something worse! :D

[HaleYes]

for reference how does the green trail compare to oh..... say trail 21 at redbird? When you say be ready for damage are you talking body damage or worse? I don't really mind too much about body damage after redbird in august. I am driving it there and back so i don't want to smash a rock up into my t-case or something worse! :D

21 is far worse than Green. Green would equal roughly half the difficulity of 21. You'll be fine on green, no doubt.
As for body damage. It's always a possibility. If you watch yourself on on green it should be avoidable(for the most part, depending on weather and trail conditions) however, no whining if it does happen......like I said it's always a possibility.

I think I'll probably run green at least once just to hang with the noobs. It's been a while since I've ran it. Maybe I'll see if I can get through it in 2wd.:D

[BOB]

What are you bringing to the potluck Friday night BOB?

:illegalflipoffsmilie:

mosquto repellent

party1:

BOB

[Rev Den]

Tamber STILL works at the Attica Inn.

:D


Rev

[seanR]

She must be 35 by now.
She was in high school three years ago.
I wonder if she is a granny yet?

[FlexdXJ]

21 is far worse than Green. Green would equal roughly half the difficulity of 21. You'll be fine on green, no doubt.
As for body damage. It's always a possibility. If you watch yourself on on green it should be avoidable(for the most part, depending on weather and trail conditions) however, no whining if it does happen......like I said it's always a possibility.

I think I'll probably run green at least once just to hang with the noobs. It's been a while since I've ran it. Maybe I'll see if I can get through it in 2wd.:D

Oh cool. The way BOB was talking i was worried I would be breaking sh*t! After that Wrangler yanked me into a tree i was over the initial bodydamage thing. Plus, she'll be paid off by WF! :D

[BOB]

depending on how your Heep is set-up and how you drive, damage is possible. There are some areas on green, that without the right set-up, you can get damage. There are some by-passes in some areas that can help get you around some damage prone areas.

BOB

[FlexdXJ]

depending on how your Heep is set-up and how you drive, damage is possible. There are some areas on green, that without the right set-up, you can get damage. There are some by-passes in some areas that can help get you around some damage prone areas.

BOB Yeah she is small. I should have sliders by then though!

[BRIANHO13]

If you are worried about body damage cut it off.....

[HaleYes]

Yeah she is small. I should have sliders by then though!
Sliders will be good. I tweeked my rockers at my 1st WF....no sliders. I had 3" lift on 30's and hit the rockers on one of those lil' steep hills when I crested it.

[boost_fr3@k]

about the orange flag thing......I bought the little plastic window mount one when I went last weekend, is that going to be sufficient, or should I get a long one that mounts to the bumper or something?

[IllianaXJ]

If you bought it there and they approved it, you're good. That's a Badlands rule, not a NAXJA/WF rule.

[FlexdXJ]

If you are worried about body damage cut it off.....

I'm not anymore! BTW i may have you make me a set of rockers this summer! I am thinking of herculining the bottom of my Jeep but i want to get the rusty rockers replaced first.

[boost_fr3@k]

depending on how your Heep is set-up and how you drive, damage is possible. There are some areas on green, that without the right set-up, you can get damage. There are some by-passes in some areas that can help get you around some damage prone areas.

BOB

describe the ideal setup.....i dont like body damage! Its my DD, and ive been able to avoid most damage so far.

[FlexdXJ]

describe the ideal setup.....i dont like body damage! Its my DD, and ive been able to avoid most damage so far.

:roflmao: thats what i said! Now I don't care so much. After that first dent you won't care either.

Just listen to these guys while you are on the trail and you should be able to avoid too much damage! Hale and Illiana and a bunch of others helped get me down the trail at redbird! You'll be alright!:cheers:

[boost_fr3@k]

yea...we'll see. I've gotten a couple dents, but nothing major so far. I just talked to Hale, and he assured me my setup is fine for the badlands.

He told me about your little adventure down trail 21 FlexdXJ! :D

[Prepmech]

This will be my 5th winterfest, and the body on my jeep is still (mostly) straight. Just pay attention and don't be afraid to ask for help. If you start leaning toward a tree back out, or ask for others to help push your body away from the tree. Unless it is really muddy, you will be fine.

[IllianaXJ]

If you care about body damage, find someone with a non-beat up rig and follow their lines.

Pretty easy to tell who does and doesn't care about damage by looking at their vehicle. Mine has become my DD, but I'm not too particular about sheetmetal :D

[seanR]

I have a very clean and straight Jeep.
In fact it is still show room condition.
I have been to the Badlands many times and I have never received body damage wheeling with these guys!
Let me tell you, if I was ever to get as much as a scratch on my rig, I would cry like a baby!

[HaleYes]

I have a very clean and straight Jeep.
In fact it is still show room condition.
I have been to the Badlands many times and I have never received body damage wheeling with these guys!
Let me tell you, if I was ever to get as much as a scratch on my rig, I would cry like a baby!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/haleyes/MWC%20at%20Shawnee%20National%20Forest%20Nov%20200 7/100_3991.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/haleyes/MWC%20at%20Shawnee%20National%20Forest%20Nov%20200 7/100_3996.jpg

[seanR]

Not that one, that is Lar's Jeep.
Look at the look on her face in the first pic.
No mine is much cleaner than that!

[FlexdXJ]

yea...we'll see. I've gotten a couple dents, but nothing major so far. I just talked to Hale, and he assured me my setup is fine for the badlands.

He told me about your little adventure down trail 21 FlexdXJ! :D

Yeah it was a blast except for the getting stuck part and it got its first swimming lesson too! :D

[FlexdXJ]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/haleyes/MWC%20at%20Shawnee%20National%20Forest%20Nov%20200 7/100_3991.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/haleyes/MWC%20at%20Shawnee%20National%20Forest%20Nov%20200 7/100_3996.jpg

Ouch! I bet you were in the dog house for that one Sean!

[LBEXJ]

One of the most frequent body damage item is door mirrors.

I believe there is a Walmart on the east side of town (for the Walmart fans). I took XtremeXJ there to get an extendable magnet while sitting on his "stolen" front license plate. :D

Probably the biggest "unwritten rule" is nobody wants to see yer walnuts!

Les

[LBEXJ]

Damn ... I almost forgot one of the most important "Unwritten Rules".

All MWC women attending must bring pie!!

Les

[Fore Wheeler]

Damn ... I almost forgot one of the most important "Unwritten Rules".

All MWC women attending must show boobs!!

Les


fixed.

[seanR]

Yea, let me know where, and I will be there with you...dreaming.

[boost_fr3@k]

fixed.

Definitely not bringing my woman then. LoL

[Fore Wheeler]

selfish. I bet you don't share your candy either.