Remington 870 Mag

[JoesXJ]

Anyone have a Remington 870 Mag shotgun? I have a couple questions. Can you shoot 2.75 & 3" shells as well as the 3.5" ones? And how do you like it? I'm looking at one in a pawn shop so I dont know too much about them.

Anyway, thanks! :thumbup:
- Joe

[ECKSJAY]

The 870 Super Magnum is the one that handles 3.5" shells. My cousin has one and I smacked ducks and geese out of the sky just as easy with my 3" magnums out of my Express Magnum. Dove and quail get 2 3/4" shells anyway...and home defense is reduced/managed recoil 2 3/4" as well. *I* have found no need...especially since the 3.5" shells aren't on the shelf everywhere.

[JoesXJ]

Can you shoot 2.75 & 3" shells as well as the 3.5" ones?

:D

[ECKSJAY]

:D

Well, yeah, with the Super Magnum. I was correcting you. The "Magnum" that you asked about doesn't shoot the 3.5".

[97XJ2]

Depends on what the barrel says. I have a Super Mag reciever, but have a rifled slug barrel that will only handle up to a 3" shell, while the shot barrel for it will take the 3.5" shell

[kujito]

Can you shoot 2.75 & 3" shells as well as the 3.5" ones?
Depends on your aim. :D

[db10bo]

Either way, it's a great gun that you dang near can't tear up. I love it for ducks and geese. I agree with ECKSJAY that you don't "need" 3.5's for them. I prefer my Red Label for dove and such. Do some looking online to get an idea about prices and if it's a good deal I would recommend buying it

Dane

[ECKSJAY]

3.5" was a solution to the 'omg we have to use steel shot!' *problem*...it just never caught on. If you *want* 3.5" you should coin up and get a 10ga. :D We had a hunting partner who played cleanup on goose trips. Some Browning 10ga with like a 36" barrel or some such junk. He had no trouble hitting the birds that flew out of our range. He had ridiculous amounts of money...so that was his game. ;) I could see a turkey choke in a 3.5" 12ga being kinda cool, but it all depends on your mission. We typically use modified choke with #3 steel (3" mag) for ducks. I've had a couple of very long shots with it and have found it works fine for both pass and jump shooting.

[rworks]

I have an Express Super Magnum. Shoots 2 3/4, 3 and 3.5 shells no problem.

You'll probably never shoot 3.5s, but it won't hurt anything if you buy it anyway.

[matt6669]

Depends on what the barrel says. I have a Super Mag reciever, but have a rifled slug barrel that will only handle up to a 3" shell, while the shot barrel for it will take the 3.5" shell


How did you accomplish this, I've been to several different gun stores, and everyone tells me you can not put a barrel that only takes up to a 3" shell into the super magnum b/c its takes up to a 3.5" shell even if your only going to use 3" shells.


I have an 870 express super mag. I love the gun, havn't shot 3.5 shells yet but I still love the gun and for the price you can't beat it. Now if only I could find a rifled barrel for it so I can shoot me some deer in Jersey with it.

[JoesXJ]

welp, I bought the 870 Express Magnum at the pawn shop, like new condition, $275 out the door....well in 10 days anyway.

[Ralph]

welp, I bought the 870 Express Magnum at the pawn shop, like new condition, $275 out the door....well in 10 days anyway.

Cool beans. 10 days, that's just crazy. They can pull up your record in 2 minutes on the side of the road, but it takes 10 days to buy a firearm.

[goodburbon]

welp, I bought the 870 Express Magnum at the pawn shop, like new condition, $275 out the door....well in 10 days anyway.


Man I love that about Louisiana.

Almost everything else sucks though.

The solution to


"How did you accomplish this, I've been to several different gun stores, and everyone tells me you can not put a barrel that only takes up to a 3" shell into the super magnum b/c its takes up to a 3.5" shell even if your only going to use 3" shells"

is.... don't put 3.5" shells in it.

[JoesXJ]

....10 days, that's just crazy. They can pull up your record in 2 minutes on the side of the road, but it takes 10 days to buy a firearm.

Yeah? Ask the families of the Virginia Tech victims about what they think about their states 15 minute background check....

I can wait 10 days.

[ECKSJAY]

Yeah? Ask the families of the Virginia Tech victims about what they think about their states 15 minute background check....

I can wait 10 days.

What does a 10-day waiting period have to do with Cho's failure to disclose his mental health treatment on the applications? He purchased his last handgun over a month before the shootings.

Please...just stop. :confused1

[Chazz Layne]

Yeah? Ask the families of the Virginia Tech victims about what they think about their states 15 minute background check....

I can wait 10 days.

You sir, are a moron. They have an answer on your application 30 minutes after they fax it in. They are then required to hold it 10 days so you can "cool off" if you are pissed at someone in an effort to reduce the chances of someone getting pissed off, buying a gun, and killing someone. LOL California. :looser:



Remmingturds are crap, by the way... only pump action I know of that is able to jam. party1:

[Ralph]

Remmingturds are crap, by the way... only pump action I know of that is able to jam. party1:
How did they manage that? The only jam I've ever seen in any pump gun was because the fool put 20ga shells in a 12ga gun.

[97XJ2]

How did you accomplish this, I've been to several different gun stores, and everyone tells me you can not put a barrel that only takes up to a 3" shell into the super magnum b/c its takes up to a 3.5" shell even if your only going to use 3" shells.

They trust that you aren't a tard and try to fit a 3.5" shell in a 3" barrel? I went in and bought the Super Mag(the reciever handles 2.75, 3, and 3.5) and a rifled slug barrel for it that handles up to 3" (I can also use a 2.75" slug too). Does that help?

[ECKSJAY]

How did they manage that? The only jam I've ever seen in any pump gun was because the fool put 20ga shells in a 12ga gun.

Only issues I've seen with later 870s is shell latches coming off. Poor stake job into the receiver, but that's easily fixed. That guy's probably a Mossberg fan. ;) They're not without their own issues (plastic safety button breaking in half) either. :D

[Ralph]

Only issues I've seen with later 870s is shell latches coming off. Poor stake job into the receiver, but that's easily fixed. That guy's probably a Mossberg fan. ;) They're not without their own issues (plastic safety button breaking in half) either. :D

I'd still like to hear his jamming story. How the hell do you jam a pump gun?

[ECKSJAY]

I'd still like to hear his jamming story. How the hell do you jam a pump gun?

Oh, I half-assed the explanation. When the shell latches come off the inside of the receiver it kicks an extra shell into the action. I had that happen with one of my guns, had to have the shell latch put back in and re-staked. That's how a pump gun jams. Trust me, it sucks when you've got 2 for 2 birds down...and the action seizes as you're ejecting shell #2. Bird #3 flies away because you couldn't get the shot off. :looser: This happened to me twice: One was with an OLD 870 that needed new stops after estimated 12k shells or so...the other time was with a brand new one (2 years ago, less than 200 shells through it). Still the only thing I've ever had screw up on an 870. Easily prevented and easily fixed.

[Ralph]

Oh, I half-assed the explanation. When the shell latches come off the inside of the receiver it kicks an extra shell into the action. I had that happen with one of my guns, had to have the shell latch put back in and re-staked. That's how a pump gun jams. Trust me, it sucks when you've got 2 for 2 birds down...and the action seizes as you're ejecting shell #2. Bird #3 flies away because you couldn't get the shot off. :looser: This happened to me twice: One was with an OLD 870 that needed new stops after estimated 12k shells or so...the other time was with a brand new one (2 years ago, less than 200 shells through it). Still the only thing I've ever had screw up on an 870. Easily prevented and easily fixed.

Thanks, that explains it.

[ECKSJAY]

Thanks, that explains it.

The way I understand it is that the newer ones have a lot of stuff made or assembled in China. If I were to get a NEW 870 for defense purposes, it'd be a Police model...which is made on a dedicated Mil/LE production line in New York. A lot more attention to detail there. Hell, might even be worth getting a Police model to put a spare 28" barrel on and mag plug in for hunting. ;)

[Chazz Layne]

I'd still like to hear his jamming story. How the hell do you jam a pump gun?

Easy, load it, cycle a round into the chamber, pull the trigger. :D

Seriously. At that point, it is locked up and must be forced open (grab pump with two hands and bang the butt end down on the ground). I'm not a gunsmith, but I took it apart, checked for burrs or problems, and cleaned it thoroughly without fixing the issue... glad it isn't my shotgun.



Any piece of plastic can break. I'd rather risk cracking the safety (that I don't have to move my trigger finger to reach) than risk not being able to use my shotgun. That, and you can leave a round in the chamber with a Mossberg safety. With a Remmingturd, such things are dangerous (the safety does not block the firing pin, only the trigger). What good is a defense shotgun with an empty chamber?

[ECKSJAY]

Any piece of plastic can break. I'd rather risk cracking the safety (that I don't have to move my trigger finger to reach) than risk not being able to use my shotgun. That, and you can leave a round in the chamber with a Mossberg safety. With a Remmingturd, such things are dangerous (the safety does not block the firing pin, only the trigger). What good is a defense shotgun with an empty chamber?

A jumbo head safety like a Vang doesn't require movement of the trigger finger to disengage. ;) Did you also know that AR15s aren't drop-safe either? A defense shotgun with an empty chamber is nothing to chamber while you're picking it up. :)

[Chazz Layne]

AR15s and their derivatives are complete and utter crap.



P90 is the only way to go.

[Ralph]

AR15s and their derivatives are complete and utter crap.



P90 is the only way to go.
Oh great, 3 posts in and he's already starting crap.

[Chazz Layne]

Just stating a fact.



Glocks are even worse.

[Ralph]

Just stating a fact.



Glocks are even worse.

Don't mistake facts for opinions.

[Chazz Layne]

Sorry, my bad. It is the opionion of many, many AR15s and Glocks that they themselves are utter crap. They communicate this by jamming, exploding, and otherwise malfunctioning.

[ZJeepX]

Anyone have a Remington 870 Mag shotgun? I have a couple questions. Can you shoot 2.75 & 3" shells as well as the 3.5" ones? And how do you like it? I'm looking at one in a pawn shop so I dont know too much about them.

Anyway, thanks! :thumbup:
- Joe

I dont know about the magnum but I have a 12 gauge 870 Wingmaster and I love that gun.

[4LowandGo]

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[Chazz Layne]

I'm not talking about deliberately, but in normal use. There is something seriously wrong with this 870.

[Ralph]

Sorry, my bad. It is the opionion of many, many AR15s and Glocks that they themselves are utter crap. They communicate this by jamming, exploding, and otherwise malfunctioning.

Where do you get your information?

[ZJeepX]

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[ZJeepX]

I'm not talking about deliberately, but in normal use. There is something seriously wrong with this 870.
:huh:Again

[goodburbon]

He's not kidding about the 870 jamming. My dad had an 870 wingmaster. That thing would jam farily often with the chamber closed, and required the 2 handed beating to extract the shell. It needed to go to the gunsmith, but got stolen before we got around to it. One of my best friends in college had one and he nicknamed his the jammamatic. Same issue.

My newer 870 express magnum 20 ga jammed the same way several times when firing 3" shells, never had a problem with 2.75" and after a few hundred rounds through it began to shoot 3" reliably. I don't know what it is about the 870, but I haven't had good luck with them. I had an old Sears Roebuck 2.75" only gun that got stolen at the same time as my dads 870, that thing never gave me a single problem, I think it was made by mossberg.

[8Mud]

He's not kidding about the 870 jamming. My dad had an 870 wingmaster. That thing would jam farily often with the chamber closed, and required the 2 handed beating to extract the shell. It needed to go to the gunsmith, but got stolen before we got around to it. One of my best friends in college had one and he nicknamed his the jammamatic. Same issue.

My newer 870 express magnum 20 ga jammed the same way several times when firing 3" shells, never had a problem with 2.75" and after a few hundred rounds through it began to shoot 3" reliably. I don't know what it is about the 870, but I haven't had good luck with them. I had an old Sears Roebuck 2.75" only gun that got stolen at the same time as my dads 870, that thing never gave me a single problem, I think it was made by mossberg.

You can shoot them hot and leave plastic residue in the chamber, if it gets bad enough extracting can be a real pain. The best method I've found is to unlatch the bolt and use a wooden stick down the barrel. But seriously, you have to shoot a bunch of rounds without any sort of cool down to accomplish this. Trying to pound the stock on the ground to extract the case, can strip (notch) the cartirdge rim and possibly damage the extractor.
Cheap practice shells, the old style with wax (or some sort of) impregnated paper casing can also cause the same thing, for the same reasons.
But heck reasonable cleaning is a part of normal use. A brass chamber brush in an electric drill dipped in solvent will clean up the chamber quick. A light coat of Break Free (or other quality high temp. lubricant) in the chamber willl help keep the residue from building up in the first place.

This it what I bought for my son as a campers companion and home defense. The only mod we did to his, was to install an short double sided dagger type bayonet.

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[Ralph]

He's not kidding about the 870 jamming. My dad had an 870 wingmaster. That thing would jam farily often with the chamber closed, and required the 2 handed beating to extract the shell. It needed to go to the gunsmith, but got stolen before we got around to it. One of my best friends in college had one and he nicknamed his the jammamatic. Same issue.

My newer 870 express magnum 20 ga jammed the same way several times when firing 3" shells, never had a problem with 2.75" and after a few hundred rounds through it began to shoot 3" reliably. I don't know what it is about the 870, but I haven't had good luck with them. I had an old Sears Roebuck 2.75" only gun that got stolen at the same time as my dads 870, that thing never gave me a single problem, I think it was made by mossberg.

Wow, that's the first I've heard of that with the 870. I've never owned one. I've had a Mossberg model 500 12ga for about 20 years. I've never had any problem with it.

I wanted to know where he go his information about AR-15 and Glocks jamming and blowing up. I had heard that the early AR-15's had problems. I'm talking about when they were first issued in Vietnam. I haven't heard any issue with the Glocks. There are standard problems people experience, but most can be attributed to improper cleaning, lubrication or cheap aftermarket magazines.

[ZJeepX]

He's not kidding about the 870 jamming. My dad had an 870 wingmaster. That thing would jam farily often with the chamber closed, and required the 2 handed beating to extract the shell. It needed to go to the gunsmith, but got stolen before we got around to it. One of my best friends in college had one and he nicknamed his the jammamatic. Same issue.

My newer 870 express magnum 20 ga jammed the same way several times when firing 3" shells, never had a problem with 2.75" and after a few hundred rounds through it began to shoot 3" reliably. I don't know what it is about the 870, but I haven't had good luck with them. I had an old Sears Roebuck 2.75" only gun that got stolen at the same time as my dads 870, that thing never gave me a single problem, I think it was made by mossberg.

Maybe I just got lucky but I have never had my Wingmaster jam and I bought it used from a Pawn shop about 7 years ago.

[goodburbon]

That gun never saw more than 10 shells in an outing, and was cleaned after every outing so plastic in the barrel is doubtful, and yes a few times the extractor ripped the brass. It was stolen when I was 14 or 15. Otherwise I would have investigated the cause further. As I stated, my 20ga runs fine now, but those first few duck hunts were a nightmare of 3" jams.

[kdailey4315]

We can buy guns at pawn shops in California?

[ZJeepX]

We can buy guns at pawn shops in California?

Haha we used to be able to i dont know anymore.