racing a accord

[xj9687]

i hope this is in the right section so i guess it will get moved if its not...i have a fairly stock 1996 with a 4.0, aw4 and 4wd. i have a open cone filter i would put on, high flow cat, flowmaster 40, synthetic oil...thats about it for performance...my friend with a 97 accord 4 door with the 2.2 wants to race me so i was wondering do you think i would even hold my own or would it blow me away. all he has done to it is a intake. i think that it would be damn close just wondering for you take and any suggestions to run faster cuz im sure every tenth would help...i also have destinatino mt's with about 40% tread left but they grip the dry road really well and im sure i wouldn't spin at all with the 3.55's so thanks for any input.

[xj9687]

i also forgot to mention an accell tune up kit with brass tips and connections.

[Menzenski]

Get rid of all unnecessary weight. Spare tire, rear seat, front passenger seat, anything you can lose. Run with a quarter-tank of gas or less.

[streetpirate]

if you know how to drive, the cherokee should be 1/2 to a full second faster in the quarter.

accord - 2855lbs and 130hp +5 for intake is 16.1sec in quarter

cherokee - 3500lbs and 190hp +10 for mods is 15.1 in the quarter.

dont manually shift the aw4, the stall speed is about 2k, so hold the brakes and hold the rpms just under 2000, and when the light turns green just floor it and point it straight

[95meangreen]

You will smoke his ass i raced my friends 97 both stock i even had a roof rack at the time. I smoked him he ended up buying a XJ a month later now he wins my jeep is heavy

[XJhabitat]

hondas are known for their good fuel economy NOT being fast

[scorpio_vette]

you didn't mention what size tires you are running. if they're stock size, it'd be ok. if they're bigger you'll have a problem. if they're smaller, you'll have a little more power.

if you had a manual, you'd be able to rip alot harder and faster. my manual jeep outruns my automatic without a problem.

and definitely loose all the weight. take out the seat,spare,anything that's not bolted in. take out that folder with 300 cd's in it, etc..etc..etc.... some of the small stuff doesn't seem like much, but it adds up. supposedly for every 100# you loose, you gain almost 1/10th or something like that. and try to run with about 1/4 tank of gas.

[BrettM]

you'll probably take him up to 60 or 70mph

[CanMan]

Hondas are slow, weak ass cars. A friend of mine put a H22 in his, $4k later, and now runs a 15.1 in the quarter. :laugh2: :laugh2:

Go with 4.10 gears, you'll do good.

[XJhabitat]

i beat one in my jeep and im on 31s... COMMON thats when you know you need to rethink ur ricer career

[hotrodXJ]

When my 93 xj was still stock (4.0/ax15/231/8.25), I beat a buddy in a camaro (v8 auto) without trouble at all. Of course my jeep was running as perfect as it could with 100k on the clock.

[Beej]

I think you'll have him by a second and a half as is. Consider a few more performance upgrades and hand him his ass instead...

:D

[BBeach]

if you know how to drive, the cherokee should be 1/2 to a full second faster in the quarter.

accord - 2855lbs and 130hp +5 for intake is 16.1sec in quarter

cherokee - 3500lbs and 190hp +10 for mods is 15.1 in the quarter.

dont manually shift the aw4, the stall speed is about 2k, so hold the brakes and hold the rpms just under 2000, and when the light turns green just floor it and point it straight
Well my friend has a 1994 accord with the 2.2 and the 5 speed. Same engine, generation, etc. Ive got about the same setup with a few more things than you in my jeep. I went to the dragstrip and ended up with high 16's and he got low 17's. Its different on the street because i can launch in 2 wheel and not have to worry about spinning. Im not sure where you came up with the 15.1 in the quarter for the jeep though. My time was a lot slower. BTW, on the street i would only beat him by a car or two but ask him to go for a roll from around 30, one of the advantages of having an automatic, you'll kick down to first and he would most likely start in second giving you a quick one car jump.

[IslanderOffRoad]

if you know how to drive, the cherokee should be 1/2 to a full second faster in the quarter.

accord - 2855lbs and 130hp +5 for intake is 16.1sec in quarter

cherokee - 3500lbs and 190hp +10 for mods is 15.1 in the quarter.

dont manually shift the aw4, the stall speed is about 2k, so hold the brakes and hold the rpms just under 2000, and when the light turns green just floor it and point it straight

15.1 for a cherokee sounds super optimistic to me.

[OT]

i hope this is in the right section so i guess it will get moved if its not...i have a fairly stock 1996 with a 4.0, aw4 and 4wd. i have a open cone filter i would put on, high flow cat, flowmaster 40, synthetic oil...thats about it for performance...my friend with a 97 accord 4 door with the 2.2 wants to race me so i was wondering do you think i would even hold my own or would it blow me away. all he has done to it is a intake. i think that it would be damn close just wondering for you take and any suggestions to run faster cuz im sure every tenth would help...i also have destinatino mt's with about 40% tread left but they grip the dry road really well and im sure i wouldn't spin at all with the 3.55's so thanks for any input.
Search for, read, and apply ALL of Dr. Dyno's posts, and you'll likely hand turboed Honda, owners their asses, as well.

[Dr. Dyno]

15.1 for a cherokee sounds super optimistic to me.

Agree. A stock XJ is capable of low 16's. Add 10hp worth of mods and you might do high 15's, but definitely NOT 15.1.
I only managed a 14.98 after I'd done a whole raft of mods on my old 4.0 and that was with weight reduction. My best with the 4.6 stroker and the same weight reduction is 14.24.

[shortxjdoug]

Search for, read, and apply ALL of Dr. Dyno's posts, and you'll likely hand turboed Honda, owners their asses, as well.


haha not some of the turbo hondas i've worked on.................. :D

[Dr. Dyno]

haha not some of the turbo hondas i've worked on.................. :D

Agree. I know there are some crazy fast Hondas out there that would definitely hand me my ass, but I wonder how much money would have gone into them to make them that fast. I only put $1500 into my stroker.

[goodburbon]

Agree. I know there are some crazy fast Hondas out there that would definitely hand me my ass, but I wonder how much money would have gone into them to make them that fast. I only put $1500 into my stroker.

speaking of which, did you see the golen stroker dyno results in JP magazine?

[streetpirate]

The times i gave were from a calculator only based on power to weight ratio.
http://www.mymopar.com/tools.htm

down in the calculators section.

i raced a 2.0 camry and had 4 cars on him by the time i hit 65

[BBeach]

The times i gave were from a calculator only based on power to weight ratio.
http://www.mymopar.com/tools.htm

down in the calculators section.

i raced a 2.0 camry and had 4 cars on him by the time i hit 65
You're better off using some of the calculators on dino's site ( http://www.jeep4.0performance.4mg.com/calculators.html ). Ive tried them with the track conditions and such and it was very accurate. Theres quite a difference between a 15.1 and a 16.1 if you ask me. Also, does he have the 5 speed manual or the 4 speed auto because another one of my friends has the 4 speed auto with a flowmaster and it isnt too quick. It really depends on the driver though especially when racing with a stick.

[IslanderOffRoad]

The times i gave were from a calculator only based on power to weight ratio.
http://www.mymopar.com/tools.htm

down in the calculators section.

i raced a 2.0 camry and had 4 cars on him by the time i hit 65

Calculators are a joke.

That one doesn't take aerodynamics into account, and frankly a cherokee is about as aerodynamic as a barn. if you were in a vehicle with the same power/weight and a slippery body, 15.1 would happen, but not in a cherokee.

the only real way to get a quarter mile time or to compare the performance of two vehicles is to go to the track and race. Of course then you have lots of fun variables like temperature, altitude, humidity, etc.

[BBeach]

Calculators are a joke.

That one doesn't take aerodynamics into account, and frankly a cherokee is about as aerodynamic as a barn. if you were in a vehicle with the same power/weight and a slippery body, 15.1 would happen, but not in a cherokee.

the only real way to get a quarter mile time or to compare the performance of two vehicles is to go to the track and race. Of course then you have lots of fun variables like temperature, altitude, humidity, etc.
Well if you looked at the calculators in the link i had to dinos site would realize that they do take into account just about every variable including tire width, tire height, rwd/fwd/awd, weight distribution, etc. Its really cool and you can see the effects of giving it more power or changing gearing, tires, etc.

[IslanderOffRoad]

Well if you looked at the calculators in the link i had to dinos site would realize that they do take into account just about every variable including tire width, tire height, rwd/fwd/awd, weight distribution, etc. Its really cool and you can see the effects of giving it more power or changing gearing, tires, etc.

If its that accurate its a good starting point, but I don't like relying on calculators.. I've done them plenty of times and saw very different results on the track.

Calculators are bench racing. Bench racing sucks, real racing is more fun.

Just race the guy, who cares if you lose, its still fun.

[N20Jeep]

cherokee - 3500lbs and 190hp +10 for mods is 15.1 in the quarter.


i dont see that happening

[N20Jeep]

Search for, read, and apply ALL of Dr. Dyno's posts, and you'll likely hand turboed Honda, owners their asses, as well.
dont see that happening either.....

maybe turbo SOHC hondas on only 6-7psi....

[N20Jeep]

Calculators are a joke.

That one doesn't take aerodynamics into account, and frankly a cherokee is about as aerodynamic as a barn. if you were in a vehicle with the same power/weight and a slippery body, 15.1 would happen, but not in a cherokee.

the only real way to get a quarter mile time or to compare the performance of two vehicles is to go to the track and race. Of course then you have lots of fun variables like temperature, altitude, humidity, etc.

+1...go to the track...

dyno/track calculators are hardly ever accurate...

they MAY give you a good base to go by....but do not take into account aerodynamics, driver skill, powerband ect

[Beej]

+1...go to the track...

dyno/track calculators are hardly ever accurate...

they MAY give you a good base to go by....but do not take into account aerodynamics, driver skill, powerband ect Ever get your custom turbo setup going?

[Atl XJ]

When my 93 xj was still stock (4.0/ax15/231/8.25), I beat a buddy in a camaro (v8 auto) without trouble at all. Of course my jeep was running as perfect as it could with 100k on the clock.
That must have been a really beat down Camaro.

[Atl XJ]

i dont see that happening
No chit, mine, stock height and 235s, ran a 15.6 with a lot more mods to it. Maybe a 2wd/5 speed.

[Dr. Dyno]

speaking of which, did you see the golen stroker dyno results in JP magazine?

Yup.
268hp @ 4900rpm, 324lbft @ 3900rpm at the crank
172hp @ 4200rpm, 224lbft @ 3500rpm at the rear wheels

I find it hard to believe that 96hp/100lbft could be lost through the drivetrain. Something doesn't jive here and I think the engine wasn't optimally tuned when they ran it on the chassis dyno.

[N20Jeep]

Ever get your custom turbo setup going?

nope...but a member on Jeepforum is building a set of Turbomanifolds for the 4.0.....and im getting one of the first....:D

[BBeach]

+1...go to the track...

dyno/track calculators are hardly ever accurate...

they MAY give you a good base to go by....but do not take into account aerodynamics, driver skill, powerband ect
The cartest2000 i think did factor in aerodynamic drag, shift times, tires spinning, etc. As far as powerband, you can put in the horsepower for certain rpms. Trust me, its much more accurate than I would have thought. But in any case, its much more fun just to go out to the dragstrip than to sit on a compuer plugging in numbers. :speepin:

[deesiexj]

i raced a buddy, his accord vtec 5 speed manual vs. my 4.0 liter AW4. i'm all stock and i handed it to him, beat him till around 55-60 mph, then had to lock up the brakes, cuz i spotted a cop! ;)

[Hellbent]

fwiw-running an '87 2dr renix 4.0, tb spacer, 5.0 ford injectors, rusty old flowmaster, 5sp w/ 31's & 4.10's - being in socal means numerous hondas, most with requisite buzzbomb 5" exhaust tip and always wanting to race everyone. have ended up next to these goons at stoplights more times than i can count....by third gear they're just a distant memory.