NWFest 09

[RlCHARD CRANlUM]

Well we have NWFest locked down to June 25th-28th in Naches. We’ll use the same camp ground as last year. What we need to do now is put together a list of volunteers for some positions. Yell if you are willing to help with anything.

We need a trail coordinator, trail leaders, tech inspector/s, welcome wagon, raffle coordinator, maybe a judge or judges for the sweat suit campfire dance contest? I’m sure I’ve left something out, so speak up or PM me.

Ken

[NW-ZJ-SCOTT]

I'll volunteer to be a tech inspector for my rig! :-):eyes:

[2xtreme]

Ken,
I would be more than willing to do any of the below:
Trail Coordinator
Trail Leader
Tech Inspector

Michael

[JBweld]

In for Tech Inspector.

[Muddy Beast]

I dont mind helping...but I'm not sure what I could help with.
Not capible enough to lead, don't know the trails, no nothing about raffles, REALLY do NOT want to judge anything after daylight, and who trust me to inspect anything?

haha
~Scott

[Ba-Riedo]

I'll give a hand with the tech inspections and trail coordination. Now that I know just about everything that Naches can screw up on a jeep. :D

-Alex

[Metal Thrasher]

Special Master Agent of Retention & Tasting for the Alchohol & Liquor Enforcement Comission


Or welcome & orientation if that is needed.

[Blkxjkrawler]

I'd be willing to help with tech, or sweatsuit pants dance judging.
-Ryan

[IXNAYXJ]

Ken,

I'm in for anything, except the sweat-suit smelling contest, or whatever the hell you were prattling on about. PM me if you feel like it, I've got some ideas for you and general info about the area.

-----Matt-----

[XJourney]

I also volunteer for Trail leader and a Tech inspector

[Atownatheist]

This may be a bit early... but outta curiosity, what kinda minimum requirements are we lookin at for the trails?

I wouldn't mind joining (assuming I can meet the requirements) if its cool with you guys...

[CanMan]

Min. of 31's for the slightly harder trails.

1 TAD would be a big plus.

Of course the other regular requirements.

[Smittty9785]

i should definately have my rig done by then

[Ba-Riedo]

This may be a bit early... but outta curiosity, what kinda minimum requirements are we lookin at for the trails?

I wouldn't mind joining (assuming I can meet the requirements) if its cool with you guys...

Ryan you can join us at any time on any trail, if they are harder you can ride with me.

-Alex

[TORX]

Ken and Rod, if you guys need any local help with planning let me know. I'll lend a hand wherever it's needed.

[Avanteone]

I had already volunteered myself and crew for tech. inspection, but if y'all want it, go ahead. :) I'll stick to doing what I seem to do best, and that's cooking y'all dinner Saturday!

[Avanteone]

I'll give a hand with the tech inspections -Alex

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there! You gonna have Matt help you? :dunno::laugh3:

I think anyone who had their ass handed to them on the trail and had to have others help them put their junk back together is automatically disqualified from being eligible for tech. inspector.

[vortex]

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there! You gonna have Matt help you? :dunno::laugh3:

I think anyone who had their ass handed to them on the trail and had to have others help them put their junk back together is automatically disqualified from being eligible for tech. inspector.


Would you like some ice for that :flame: :roflmao:

-PJ-

[noutlawjeeper]

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!



I thought the same thing when I read it too. I can see it now, 40 overheated jeeps with broken leafs and Doug about to kill them all with frustration. :roflmao:

[Ba-Riedo]

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there! You gonna have Matt help you? :dunno::laugh3:

I think anyone who had their ass handed to them on the trail and had to have others help them put their junk back together is automatically disqualified from being eligible for tech. inspector.

:laugh: Matt and I will get everything zip tied together, don't worry about it.

-Alex

[Metal Thrasher]

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there! You gonna have Matt help you? :dunno::laugh3:

I think anyone who had their ass handed to them on the trail and had to have others help them put their junk back together is automatically disqualified from being eligible for tech. inspector.


Curious: What specific things would be inspected?
For Autocross racing we pretty much look at wheel bearings and brakes. A cursory inspection under the hood for battery hold down, fluid caps and any glaring problems. Wheel bearings are the most common failure to pass reason - too loose. It would be great to get a hot list posted with the hopes that no one fails inspection.

[Avanteone]

Curious: What specific things would be inspected?
For Autocross racing we pretty much look at wheel bearings and brakes. A cursory inspection under the hood for battery hold down, fluid caps and any glaring problems. Wheel bearings are the most common failure to pass reason - too loose. It would be great to get a hot list posted with the hopes that no one fails inspection.

It's gonna be hard to detect any cooling system issues, but maybe at least look to see no fluid leaks, bad fan clutch, etc. I would say a quick list of what needs to be looked at would include:

Battery hold down/cables
Major slop in tie rod ends, track bar bushings, etc.
Ball joints/wheel bearings
Play in any u-joints, driveline or axles
Brake pedal doesn't go down to floor
Fr. and Rr. recovery points
Functioning lights
Fire Extinguisher and recovery strap on board

With at least two guys, this shouldn't take longer than 5 minutes per vehicle, and it's all just common sense and basic safety stuff.

My $.02

John

[CanMan]

It's gonna be hard to detect any cooling system issues, but maybe at least look to see no fluid leaks, bad fan clutch, etc. I would say a quick list of what needs to be looked at would include:

Battery hold down/cables
Major slop in tie rod ends, track bar bushings, etc.
Ball joints/wheel bearings
Play in any u-joints, driveline or axles
Brake pedal doesn't go down to floor
Fr. and Rr. recovery points
Functioning lights
Fire Extinguisher and recovery strap on board

With at least two guys, this shouldn't take longer than 5 minutes per vehicle, and it's all just common sense and basic safety stuff.

My $.02

John

Ill be doing tech inspection this year, and will make up a checklist for each rig. If your junk isnt up to par, better get it there. ;)


:D

[Metal Thrasher]

It's gonna be hard to detect any cooling system issues, but maybe at least look to see no fluid leaks, bad fan clutch, etc. I would say a quick list of what needs to be looked at would include:

Battery hold down/cables
Major slop in tie rod ends, track bar bushings, etc.
Ball joints/wheel bearings
Play in any u-joints, driveline or axles
Brake pedal doesn't go down to floor
Fr. and Rr. recovery points
Functioning lights
Fire Extinguisher and recovery strap on board

With at least two guys, this shouldn't take longer than 5 minutes per vehicle, and it's all just common sense and basic safety stuff.

My $.02

John

Thank you! I noticed on PNW you mention parking brakes as well. I have a nasty rear man seal leak. If Eli is going under I'll be sure to over fill it.

[GinisKratos]

Ill be doing tech inspection this year, and will make up a checklist for each rig. If your junk isnt up to par, better get it there. ;)


:D

If you can get this list of your out as soon as possable that would be great =) I did fine last year, but I really really dont want to be "that guy".. but just in case, I'll be being my wing nuts and a file ;)

Ed

[CanMan]

Here is a quick list. I may add or remove a few between now and then.

Battery hold down/cables

No bungie cords, rope, duct tape, ect. will be accepted

Major slop in tie rod ends, track bar bushings, etc.
Ball joints/wheel bearings
Play in any u-joints, driveline or axles

Replace your worn parts before wheeling, wether at NWfest or otherwise!

Brake pedal doesn't go down to floor

Dont even bother showing up if it goes to the floor. There are lots of hills, and we dont need loss of brakes.

Functioning lights

There are public roads and forest service roads, and you can be ticketed.

Fire Extinguisher

There have been a few fires, and you should have one in every vehicle IMO!

First aid kit

They come in handy! Just something you need incase you get lost from the group and get injured.

Adequate spare tire, jack and lug wrench.

If you dont have these, make friends with someone who will lend you theirs. Please make sure the spare matches the size of the rest of the tires.

Safety belts for driver and any current passenger.

They should be worn at all times. Stuff can happen on and off the trails. If you need the extra room to look, tuck it under your left armpit.

Adequate attachment points in the front and rear of the vehicle. Acceptable forms of attachment points:
-Tow hooks of OEM or greater integrity
-D-Rings
-Shackle/Clevis
-Hitch(either front or/and rear)

(All Items must be mounted in a manner to provide adequate strength and integrity)

You will need at the minimum of 1 tow point. 2 are highly reccomended.

Adequate spare parts(axle shafts, tie rods, electrical, ect..)

I know not everyone can afford spare parts, but make friends with someone who has the spares that you dont, and see if you can borrow them for those 'oops' moments.

[Bruno™]

:laugh: Matt and I will get everything zip tied together, don't worry about it.

-Alex

Ill bring the duct tape.



Sounds like things are coming together good. I would love to volunteer, but find myself not qualified :D. I could help cook FWIW, haha.

-Lyle

[falcon1235]

2 bungee cords is a battery tie down right ? JK and bring 25 gallons of water for the guy behind you that over heats 240 times like last year i wont point any fingers you know who you are ;o) you wouldn't think a radiator cap could cause that many problems... i had a great time last year i will be there for sure again this year

[Atownatheist]

Thanks for the invite Alex. I should be ok though. Ive got my 31 mud terrains, and ive disconected the sway bars. Plus im rolling the fenders and welding the rear end up here in hopefully less than a week

[Mc2KXJ]

I'll help out with the welcome wagon. It will be nice to help point people in the right direction to help them feel welcome and comfortable with the regulars.

[mojojojo]

i am going to organize a few fun games n things for the lil ones and the big kids as well. I will try and incorporate it into the dinner raffle night so everyone is there and can participate.

[Metal Thrasher]

I'll help out with the welcome wagon. It will be nice to help point people in the right direction to help them feel welcome and comfortable with the regulars.


And accept their beer donations? :cheers:

[CanMan]

http://www.naxja.org/forum/images/icons/icon4.gif Underage drinking will not be tolerated this year! A bunch of adults can't be responsible for a few that choose to get out of control. Plus if a Ranger or Police officer decides to pop in, you wouldnt want to get a ticket! Sorry, but NAXJA cant take the blame for a minor drinking. http://www.naxja.org/forum/images/icons/icon4.gif

[Mc2KXJ]

Good edit, Eli.

[CanMan]

Good edit, Eli.

Yea, John said something about contridicting myself, guess I should of changed it last night when I reread it.

All good now.

Too bad for Alex.

:D :D

[XJCasper]

If we have an excuse to get some work done at John's shop? Would he be ok with doing a pre Naches inspection at his shop for us that are short on time or less mechanically inclined?


Thanks
Jason

[Avanteone]

I'll take care of anybody who's not interested or capable of prepping or inspecting their own rigs.

John

[98CherokeeSport]

if i can get my locker put in and some more armor by then i may just have to head over there.

[Ba-Riedo]

if i can get my locker put in and some more armor by then i may just have to head over there.

Not all the trails will require lockers, only the more difficult ones.

The most important thing to have are rock rails and tow points. Even if you don't have those things you can come hangout and meet people and hitch rides on some of the built rigs if you wanna see the harder stuff.

-Alex

[Bruno™]

Even if you don't have those things you can come hangout and meet people and hitch rides on some of the built rigs if you wanna see the harder stuff.

-Alex

X2. Be like me last year and leave your Jeep in the driveway and let the beating be given to someone elses rig. :D

-Lyle

[Muddy Beast]

X2. Be like me last year and leave your Jeep in the driveway and let the beating be given to someone elses rig. :D

-Lyle

A.K.A. Inverted leafs. :roflmao:

~Scott

[XJ_ranger]

Functioning lights

There are public roads and forest service roads, and you can be ticketed.

what if you're towing? :eyes:

is this place a 'base camp' and drive to the trails kind of deal? :(

is taking a not-street-legal rig here more than a slight annoyance? :anon:

what if I plead with the cops and tell them that its legal in kalifornia? :confused1

[Avanteone]

is this place a 'base camp' and drive to the trails kind of deal? :(

is taking a not-street-legal rig here more than a slight annoyance? :anon:

what if I plead with the cops and tell them that its legal in kalifornia? :confused1


How far from street legal is your rig? Is it licensed at all or strictly ORV tags? You can get away with a LOT up there if you're pleasant. Yes, we have a basecamp and drive to the trails. A few of the trails are less than a mile from camp. Depending on how you want to get to the rocks, you can drive 3-4 miles on the highway and then up a FS road.

John

[CanMan]

what if you're towing? :eyes:

is this place a 'base camp' and drive to the trails kind of deal? :(

is taking a not-street-legal rig here more than a slight annoyance? :anon:

what if I plead with the cops and tell them that its legal in kalifornia? :confused1

I think you'll be fine at Naches.

Other places in the state, not so much.

[XJ_ranger]

How far from street legal is your rig? Is it licensed at all or strictly ORV tags? You can get away with a LOT up there if you're pleasant. Yes, we have a basecamp and drive to the trails. A few of the trails are less than a mile from camp. Depending on how you want to get to the rocks, you can drive 3-4 miles on the highway and then up a FS road.

John

kinda far...?

http://www.therideracing.com/images/Jeep/Shop11808/stp85533.jpg

3-4 miles shouldnt be a problem as long as the po-po isnt looking...

[Avanteone]

kinda far...?


3-4 miles shouldnt be a problem as long as the po-po isnt looking...

Does it have license plates?

[XJ_ranger]

Does it have license plates?

I have plates with tags from 2006 :confused1

Its a green sticker in CA which is the same registration as a quad... I dont know what Washington has for that program, but it'll likely have that same registration in WA once I get up there.

[IXNAYXJ]

I have plates with tags from 2006 :confused1

Its a green sticker in CA which is the same registration as a quad... I dont know what Washington has for that program, but it'll likely have that same registration in WA once I get up there.WA doesn't have a similar program, alas. I'm really not sure what your options are. Because you're transfering it from another state you'll have to get an emissions check (at least) in order to get plates, maybe even a WSP inspection. You should be okay at Naches, but we'll be creative about how to get you back and forth on the roads.

-----Matt-----

[fubar XJ]

Naches is definitely more lenient than other trails systems here as far as legality goes. Just make sure your green sticker is current, it shows that you at least made an attempt at legality of some sort. You should also consider some sort of flares/flaps system, even if it's something you take off for the trail. That is, if you're planning on getting WA plates.

[Avanteone]

WA doesn't have a similar program

Sounds like the same thing as our ORV registration to me.

[XJCasper]

Some Counties do not have Emission Testing. To get WA Plates a WSP inspection is needed.

For up to Three (I think) days, Trip Permits are available. If I remember the price has been jacked up.

[RlCHARD CRANlUM]

Okay it looks like we have a fair amount of help to get it done. We do need more volunteers for trail leaders though. So if you know the Naches area please speak up. Keep in mind we may want a few runs for the more daily driver types of rigs too.

I see nobody wants anything to do with the raffle (aside from winning the stuff). That's no problem, but seeing as I've never been beyond the buying raffle tickets stage, I'll take any help I can get. So hit me with any potential contacts for raffle swag, or any ideas you may have.

Ken

[2xtreme]

Ken,

I will put a list of trails together for each day and will ask for trail leaders at that time, I would guess about 3 trails per day (mild, medium, difficult) would be good with the size of group (this may change as we get closer and know who is coming).

Michael

[Mc2KXJ]

Good looking out, Michael.

[XJourney]

Ken,

I will put a list of trails together for each day and will ask for trail leaders at that time, I would guess about 3 trails per day (mild, medium, difficult) would be good with the size of group (this may change as we get closer and know who is coming).

Michael


Another option would be to choose a number of trail leaders that know the area and ask them to submit a list of trail that they would like to see run for the difficulty they would like to lead.

Depending if my wife and daughter go I would volunteer to lead the easy or the moderate run.

Also we probably need one (1) easy trail run, two or three moderate trail runs, and one or two hard trails per day. All of this depends on the number of people that come. I like groups of 8 or less.

What do you guys think??

[RlCHARD CRANlUM]

Groups of 8 or less sound great to me. Does anyone have a count for vehicles/people who attended in 08?

[Mc2KXJ]

Another option would be to choose a number of trail leaders that know the area and ask them to submit a list of trail that they would like to see run for the difficulty they would like to lead.

Depending if my wife and daughter go I would volunteer to lead the easy or the moderate run.

Also we probably need one (1) easy trail run, two or three moderate trail runs, and one or two hard trails per day. All of this depends on the number of people that come. I like groups of 8 or less.

What do you guys think??


100% on board with that.

[XJourney]

Groups of 8 or less sound great to me. Does anyone have a count for vehicles/people who attended in 08?

LOTS

[CanMan]

It was close to 40.

[Mc2KXJ]

It was close to 40.

That's it? It felt like at least 60.

[RlCHARD CRANlUM]

It was close to 40.

Yeah I counted 30 that I remember, and 75 people from the dinner RSVP thread. My memory sucks, so I'm going with a minimum of 40.

[CanMan]

I was going to say about 80 we had at dinner.

That puts 2 per rig, close enough.

:D

[2xtreme]

My intention was the following:
1. Put a list of trails together by difficulty.
2. Put a tentative schedule of the trails by day (several trails per day of various difficulty).
3. Then let people sign up for leading specific trails.
4. Some trails will be limited to 8 - 10 rigs, others won't have the same limit (the more difficult the trail the less rigs).

There are several reasons for doing it this way.
1. I want people to have input into what trails are available.
2. I want people to have an idea of what trails they would like to run each day.
3. I want trail leaders to be able to schedule their planed run's around what is available.


I hope to have a list of trails ready for editing soon.
Once it is edited I will put a shedule up for input.
Once the schedule is decided upon I will get trail leaders for each trail/day.

Michael

[Muddy Beast]

Michael, just a thought...when you make the list, it might be nice to define what exactly the easy, medium, and hard trails include. Maybe what the typical vehicle would look like for that (lockers, tires, lift, armor, etc.), and what the drive capabilities should be/experience (maybe run comparison examples from other wheeling spots like 311 at Evans and sac-up at Reiter would be similar so if you can do those you can probably do this, so people know better who haven't wheeled there), and trail damage that is to be expected/accepted (Example: "OK/accepting with broken glass, dents, scratched." Or "Daily driver, wants to prevent all damage possible, not prepared for body damage").

For example, I would consider myself and my rig capable of medium difficulty trails. Reason for that mainly being, I went on the first easy trail run at the PNWJeep M&G, and I felt I wasted trail time...it was that easy (dirt roads basically), and I knew I could run a majority of popular trails there with a tug here and there from going there a week prior. Most of the rigs on that run (with shotmobile ZJ leading) were stockers or people who had never been off road, so it tells me there is an easy "trail" rating, then just easy.

Just a little $0.02

~Scott

[XJourney]

Here is a GREAT source for trail difficulty along a short write w/ maps and GPS data

Naches is under "Manastash Ridge/ Kaner Flat"

http://www.nwjeepn.com/WAtrails.htm

HTH Scott

Michael don't forget to include a Epic run for those who are prepared. ;)

[2xtreme]

Michael don't forget to include a Epic run for those who are prepared. ;)

Han's,
It's already in the works! There will be something for everyone ;)

Scott,
There will be reasonable descriptions of trails, and a variety for everything from Stock to Buggy.

Michael

[Muddy Beast]

HTH Scott


...:read:....
What is this "HTH"?

:dunno:

Thanks for the map links. Just a little thought for people who have this as their first NWFest, I know if it was mine I would have appreciated it.

Scott,
There will be reasonable descriptions of trails, and a variety for everything from Stock to Buggy.

Michael

Good to know, thanks! (it'll probably be my first time driving on Naches trails)

~Scott

[Ba-Riedo]

Hope This Helps

I am down for some epicness.:thumbup:

-Alex

[2xtreme]

...:read:....
What is this "HTH"?

:dunno:

~Scott

P.S. Thanks for the map links. Just a little thought for people who have this as their first NWFest, I know if it was mine I would have appreciated it.

HTH = Hope That Helps

I appreciate the input Scott.
Michael

[Muddy Beast]

Hope This Helps

I am down for some epicness.:thumbup:

-Alex

Ohhhh....thanks. :cheers:

~Scott

[XJourney]

Hope This Helps

I am down for some epicness.:thumbup:

-Alex

NO
!!!1 :)

[Ba-Riedo]

NO
!!!1 :)

:roflmao:

My radiator works now.

-Alex

[Metal Thrasher]

:roflmao:

My radiator works now.

-Alex

Epic Tragedy

Epic Disaster

Epic Tale Of Woe

Epic Failure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-oDf_iKkdk

and of course: Epic Hike Back To Camp

[RlCHARD CRANlUM]

So here's what we are looking at so far.

Trail coordinator - Michael

Trail leaders - Michael, Matt and Hans. We need more folks here. I've only been to Naches once, so if anyone wants to step up please do.

Tech inspectors - Michael, Jeremy, Alex, Ryan, Hans, and Eli. If we inspect as they come in, or something similar then a couple of guys should be able to handle it. If we wait until a certain time, then the more the merrier.

Dinner - John wins that one.

Welcome wagon - Rod, Eli and Rich. I'm thinking the welcome wagon could handle liability waivers and registration.

The_Big_E (Eric) brought up, and volunteered to coordinate any first aid needs that may arise. So any brain surgeons or trauma docs get a hold of him if you are willing to do any trail side human repair.

I'm working on raffle prizes, so if anyone has a line on prizes let me know.

Only 163 days to go...

[Mc2KXJ]

Welcome wagon - Rod, Eli and Rich. I'm thinking the welcome wagon could handle liability waivers and registration.

The_Big_E (Eric) brought up, and volunteered to coordinate any first aid needs that may arise. So any brain surgeons or trauma docs get a hold of him if you are willing to do any trail side human repair.

...

I'm cool with that.

In addition, I am current on all my first aid crap so I can lend a hand with any trail side human repair.

Rich

[Ba-Riedo]

I can get my dad to make up a huge first aid kit with everything in a ER trauma room, if the Wang and Sean show up we will be set.

Also for some prizes from Master-Pull you can contact me closer on to the spring. ;)

And can I be put down to inspect winchlines only? :D

-Alex

[2xtreme]

[QUOTE=RlCHARD CRANlUM;244211152]Trail leaders - Michael, Matt and Hans. We need more folks here. I've only been to Naches once, so if anyone wants to step up please do.

Tech inspectors - Michael, Jeremy, Alex, Ryan, Hans, and Eli. If we inspect as they come in, or something similar then a couple of guys should be able to handle it. If we wait until a certain time, then the more the merrier.

I'm working on raffle prizes, so if anyone has a line on prizes let me know.
QUOTE]

A couple of updates on my end.
1. Final list of organized trails is being Pre-Inspected as we speak. Expect the entire list up before the end of this week, with most of the detail including start times for each trip and requirements. There is a total of about 12 formal trail rides over the 3 days (Fri-Sun).

2. I planned no formal trail rides on Thursday (people showing up). Friday there will be several trail rides planned starting late morning so people could still show up Friday morning and make a trail ride if they are early enough. The EPIC trail ride will start EARLY Friday morning for the lucky few who get to be involved (this will be a very limited group, and will be the trail ride that all future NW Fest trail rides will be compared with party1:). Saturday rides will start reasonably early so that none of the groups miss John's fabulous dinner this year :shhh:. Sunday there will be several short run's for those who want to wheel all weekend.

3. I assumed that I would not let people sign up for trails till they have arrived at camp and have been through inspection (also provides some motivation to get inspected). As a side note, I don't think you want more than a few people responsible for tech, and probably don't need more than a few.

3. With 12 trail rides I will need 12 trail leaders (some might offer to do more than 1). I want to get the trail list up and formal ASAP so that I can get trail leaders assigned to each trail ride. I expect trail leaders to be prepared with maps, and exceptional trail skills with regard to communication, repair, recovery, etc. I will go through this with each trail leader as they sign up for particular trails.

4. I know that several of us have complete Trauma Kits in our Jeep's. For anyone who doesn't it is a good idea to consider at the minimum a VERY good first aid kit. I would think we want at least 1 Trauma kit in each group on the trail at a minimum.

Michael

[2xtreme]

And can I be put down to inspect winchlines only? :D
-Alex

I know you can't inspect coolant systems or rear leaf springs ;)
In the process of putting the trail list together I re-evaluated how long each trail should take and with the help of some old research data I found that what should have taken at a maximum of 3hrs(good conservative estimate) took us 6hrs (plus missing an incredible dinner and raffle:rattle:). :peace:

:D
Michael

[Ba-Riedo]

I know you can't inspect coolant systems or rear leaf springs ;)
In the process of putting the trail list together I re-evaluated how long each trail should take and with the help of some old research data I found that what should have taken at a maximum of 3hrs(good conservative estimate) took us 6hrs (plus missing an incredible dinner and raffle:rattle:). :peace:

:D
Michael

So what your really saying is that you never want to get rid of that old cable on your winch?:confused1

-Alex

[Mc2KXJ]

I can get my dad to make up a huge first aid kit with everything in a ER trauma room, if the Wang and Sean show up we will be set.

Also for some prizes from Master-Pull you can contact me closer on to the spring. ;)

And can I be put down to inspect winchlines only? :D

-Alex


Good lookin out, David Archuleta. Now get your dad to start putting together a Jimi Kit (Percocet, vicodin, oxycodone) just in case I gets a headache!!! :greensmok

[Ba-Riedo]

Good lookin out, David Archuleta. Now get your dad to start putting together a Jimi Kit (Percocet, vicodin, oxycodone) just in case I gets a headache!!! :greensmok

:roll:

Nice try, but no drugs will be in my kit, just lots of bandages. Well that is unless you can show me a prescription...:D

-Alex

[2xtreme]

So what your really saying is that you never want to get rid of that old cable on your winch?:confused1

-Alex

No, what I am saying is that as the trail leader I take full responsibility for the length of time it took us to get back to camp, missing dinner, raffle, etc. What I am wondering is why my new line hasn't shown up in the mail yet. :worship:

In reality Alex, I think that run probably taught the whole group a lot of good lessons; We stayed together well, we had all of the spare parts needed, we had all of the experience needed, we SLOWLY learned how to communicate as a group, we learned what the scout motto really means when they say "Be Prepared" (I hope :nono:), and we all made it back to camp safely and in good spirits.
Michael

[Avanteone]

Feel free to put me down as a trail leader. I'm thinking a run Saturday running DIRECTLY up to the rocks via the quickest route (mostly logging roads) for those interested in getting to the rocks with minimal delay. This will also get me back to camp in plenty of time to get dinner going Sat. evening.

J

[2xtreme]

Feel free to put me down as a trail leader. I'm thinking a run Saturday running DIRECTLY up to the rocks via the quickest route (mostly logging roads) for those interested in getting to the rocks with minimal delay. This will also get me back to camp in plenty of time to get dinner going Sat. evening.

J

John,
I assumed that Sat Dinner would be at 6:00PM? I have all trail run's back by 4:00PM that evening to make sure everyone has time to "freshen up" before dinner ;)

Would you prefer to run directly up 1708 or do you want to add Lower/Upper Woodpecker on the way up? What time do you want to be back to be prepared for dinner? And how many people will you need help from for Dinner?

I will modify or add a run specifically with this in mind for you to lead.
Michael

[Muddy Beast]

Hey Michael, what are the requirements looking like for the Epic run? I just assume it will leave me out (usually epicness involved lockers) but I'm curious. :)

~Scott

[Mc2KXJ]

Hey Michael, what are the requirements looking like for the Epic run? I just assume it will leave me out (usually epicness involved lockers) but I'm curious. :)

~Scott

An "epic run" means no one named Scott is allowed on the trail.

[Ba-Riedo]

An "epic run" means no one named Scott is allowed on the trail.

Unless Frary is the last name. ;)

-Alex

[Mc2KXJ]

True dat!!!

[Muddy Beast]

An "epic run" means no one named Scott is allowed on the trail.

:bawl:
Man Rich...with all that we've been through, this is how you treat me! I mean, you almost died that day the guy infront of me slammed on the brakes! :looney:

~Scott

[Avanteone]

John,
I assumed that Sat Dinner would be at 6:00PM? I have all trail run's back by 4:00PM that evening to make sure everyone has time to "freshen up" before dinner ;)

Would you prefer to run directly up 1708 or do you want to add Lower/Upper Woodpecker on the way up? What time do you want to be back to be prepared for dinner? And how many people will you need help from for Dinner?

I will modify or add a run specifically with this in mind for you to lead.
Michael

Yeah, if we plan on dinner at 6, I'd like to be back by 3 or so probably. I'd probably run 1706 and at LEAST upper woodpecker, only cuz it's about the same amount of time as taking the road. I figure if we leave by 9, 2 hours to the rocks, would leave us at least 3 hours to play, then head back. I don't know that I'd need much help for dinner, a couple of guys to help setup. I'll just grab Eli or a couple of my club guys that show up, no biggie.

John

[2xtreme]

Yeah, if we plan on dinner at 6, I'd like to be back by 3 or so probably. I'd probably run 1706 and at LEAST upper woodpecker, only cuz it's about the same amount of time as taking the road. I figure if we leave by 9, 2 hours to the rocks, would leave us at least 3 hours to play, then head back. I don't know that I'd need much help for dinner, a couple of guys to help setup. I'll just grab Eli or a couple of my club guys that show up, no biggie.

John

Your on. It is on the schedule.
Michael

[2xtreme]

Hey Michael, what are the requirements looking like for the Epic run? I just assume it will leave me out (usually epicness involved lockers) but I'm curious. :)

~Scott

The formal requirements will come out with the schedule later this week. This "epicness" has more to do with skills and operating as a team than it does with lockers, big tires, etc. Currently I am thinking 1 TAD will be required.

Michael

[fubar XJ]

I will volunteer to be a trail leader. That will involve folks having a "no whining" attitude and coming prepared, hopefully the tech inspection will take care of most of that.

We should also hold a drivers' meeting prior to each group departure, or at least a general one Friday and Saturday mornings.

[2xtreme]

I will volunteer to be a trail leader. That will involve folks having a "no whining" attitude and coming prepared, hopefully the tech inspection will take care of most of that.

We should also hold a drivers' meeting prior to each group departure, or at least a general one Friday and Saturday mornings.

I planned on talking with each trail leader extensively before the event about the trails they are leading and expectations for the group.

I agree that each trail leader should have a drivers meeting before each trail ride to include the group and what is expected.
Some of the things that might want to be discussed:
1. Recovery points of each vehicle
2. Equipment on and in each vehicle
3. First Aid equipment and training in each vehicle
4. CB Channel
5. Expected communication (perticularly between the leader and last in the group)
6. Order of vehicles
7. Time restrictions for return
8. Expected trail etiquitte
9. Winching etiquitte and safety
10. Not loosing the person in front or behind you.

I like your idea Doug,
I am not sure when we could have a "general" drivers meeting other than maybe Friday night or Saturday morning. Maybe I should put something up on line before the event?

Michael

[Ba-Riedo]

3. First Air equipment and training in each vehicle


Oh yea?:spin1:

-Alex

[Bruno™]

All this organization is getting me pumped up! I too think that is a great idea on Doug's part. Possibly have the trail leaders gather up the people in their group and discuss with them what is going on, after Michael has given the leaders the larger, main talk. Kind of a spread-the-word type of deal. That way we dont have to mess with a giant crowd of anxious wheelers and one speaker.

John: Is the route you plan to take to the Funny Rocks the same trail(s) that the whole gang of us took up last year? I would love to run that stuff in my rig, whether I man up at the rocks or not. I enjoyed watching the rigs playing up there last year, and apart from everything else Naches has to offer, Id like to spend an afternoon getting back up there.

-Lyle

[IXNAYXJ]

.

John: Is the route you plan to take to the Funny Rocks the same trail(s) that the whole gang of us took up last year? I would love to run that stuff in my rig, whether I man up at the rocks or not. I enjoyed watching the rigs playing up there last year, and apart from everything else Naches has to offer, Id like to spend an afternoon getting back up there.

-LyleYes and no. The road actually leads higher up, closer to the rocks. We'll bypass that trail and continue on the road.

I also really enjoy watching rigs play on the rocks, taking lines that my rig/I won't do. There are plenty of places for rigs like yours to play up there, however.

-----Matt-----

[Mc2KXJ]

All this organization is getting me pumped up!
-Lyle


X2. I'm like a giddy little school girl.:loveu:

[Muddy Beast]

All this organization is getting me pumped up! I too think that is a great idea on Doug's part. Possibly have the trail leaders gather up the people in their group and discuss with them what is going on, after Michael has given the leaders the larger, main talk. Kind of a spread-the-word type of deal. That way we dont have to mess with a giant crowd of anxious wheelers and one speaker.

John: Is the route you plan to take to the Funny Rocks the same trail(s) that the whole gang of us took up last year? I would love to run that stuff in my rig, whether I man up at the rocks or not. I enjoyed watching the rigs playing up there last year, and apart from everything else Naches has to offer, Id like to spend an afternoon getting back up there.

-Lyle

And you didn't get to see the moon rocks (I think that was it, right?)...those were crazy.

~Scott

[RlCHARD CRANlUM]

If anyone has a sample letter I can base raffle begging requests off of I'd appreciate it.

[2xtreme]

Lets talk details!

Below is a list of the formal trail run's that I have established. I have tried to provide a variety of trails for a variety of different groups with as much diversity in the trails as possible. I have tried to provide the details with each trail run as far as limited number of people time expectations, etc. Ultimately this will be up to the leadership of the group leader who will take responsibility for the group and how it proceeds.

My expectation was that you could sign up for trails after arriving and going through tech inspection. If there are any significant concerns with this please let me know and we will deal with that on an individual basis.

I would like to put names of trail leaders with each trail ride as soon as possible (some have already been designated)so that I can work with each of these leaders with regard to maps, GPS data, expectations and time restrictions. Please let me know which trails you may or may not like to lead and I will begin to coordinate all of the details together.

Start times and time expectations have been established to get each group conservatively through each of the sections of trails. If there are significant issues along the way the trail leaders will establish any deviations that might need to occure for the safety of the group. I am making the assumption that Saturday's dinner will be at 6:00pm and I wanted every group back by 4:00pm to have time to assist, clean up, etc.

I do not want to dictate who or what vehicles are capable of running what trails, I would like to leave this up to the tail leaders since they are ultimately the ones who have the responsibility for the group. As a general rule the easy trails should be able to be completed by a stock XJ with little likelyhood of body damage. The moderate trails should be able to be completed with a 3+ inch lift/31" tires and minimum skid plates, certain obstacles will be more challenging than others and many are avoidable. body damage is always a factor, but not likely if care is taken. Hard trails should have 33" tires, good skid plates and at least 1 TAD. body damage is likely but not inevitable.

The "EPIC" run. This run is designed to be a mentally and pysically challenging run for the combined group. It will run the vast majority of the most difficult trails in the area in record time. What is most important about this run is that everyone has the understanding of the expectations of the group and can act in accordance with those expections, particularly with regard to trail etiquite, extraction techniques, trail communication, repair issues, etc. I think that 33" tires, 1 TAD would be required. But group trail experience is much more important. I hope this trail run will be a challenging understaking for everyone in the group and I hope that it provides a "base line" for all future NW Fest trail run's :scottm:

For those who are not familiar with the trail names/numbers I recommend a "Yakima County Recreation Guide" from the following resources:
Yakima County Shefiff's Office at 1 (800) 572-0490 or www.co.yakima.wa.us/sheriff
Naches Ranger District (509) 653-1400
Cle Elum Ranger District (509) 852-1100

The following website has all of the information on purchasing these maps.
http://www.yakimap.com/Products/ProductsORV.htm


Thursday, June 25th
No formal trail runs, I expect people will be arriving throughout the day and evening and this is a better time to unload, set up camp, meet and greet with others and you may obviously run trails on your own as you see fit.

Friday, June 26th
Easy Run, Leave at 11:00AM (3Hrs up to Rocks, 2Hrs back down)
1702, 1720, Bald Mt, C.J.R.s Hideout, Moon Rocks/Funny Rocks, Milk Lake, 1708
Moderate Run, Leave at 11:00AM (12 rig max) (4 Hrs up to Rocks, 2 Hrs back down)
1708, Lower Woodpecker, Upper Woodpecker, Summit to Moon Rocks/Funny Rocks, Milk Lake, 1708
Epic Run (leave at 8:00AM, 8 rigs max, 33’s and 1 TAD, Experience!!) 10 Hrs-12Hrs Hans/Michael to lead group
Kaner Flats, Shoestring, Tripod Flats, Buck Meadows, Quartz Mt., Wells Meadow, Manastash Ridge, String (Rocks), Tipover, Upper Woodpecker, Lower Woodpecker.
Raven’s Roost Night Run (Leave 1hr, and 2hr’s before Sunset)
Main road for stock vehicles, Powerline (900) for modified

Saturday, June 27th
Easy Run (Leave at 9:00AM) Hans to lead group
1708, Milk Lake, Summit to Moon Rocks/Funny Rocks, 670 down to 1720.
Hard/Moderate 1 (Leave at 9:00AM, will be back by 3:00PM) (12 rig max)
1708, Upper Woodpecker, Moon Rocks/Funny Rocks (several hours of play), Upper Woodpecker, Lower Woodpecker, 1708 John to lead group
Moderate Run 2 (Leave at 9:30AM) (12 rig max)
1706, 1600 (Little Bald Mt), Mud Springs (696), Saw Mill Flats (1600)
Hard Run 1 (Leave at 8:30AM) (10 rig max) (4Hrs up to Rocks, 2 Hrs back down)
Kaner Flats, Manastash Ridge, String, Tipover, Tripod Flats, Summit, Moon Rocks/Funny Rocks, Upper Woodpecker, Lower Woodpecker, 1708.
Hard Run 2 Will add this run if we need more run's (Leave at 9:00AM) (12 rig max) (3Hrs up to Rocks, 3.5Hrs back down)
1708, Lower Woodpecker, Upper Woodpecker, Summit, Moon Rocks/Runny Rocks, Tripod Flats, Shoestring, Kaner Flats

Sunday, June 28th
Easy Run
Naches Trail (684) up to Naches Pass and return (not open on West Side yet)
Moderate Run
Power Line Trail up to Raven’s Roost (900) and return.
Hard Run Michael to lead group
Saw Mill Flats (1600), Lower Clover Springs (697), Upper Clover Springs (1605 4w696)

[Ba-Riedo]

Good job Michael.

-Alex

[fubar XJ]

I want in on the epic run.:)

And yes, nice job putting some trails, times, difficulty ratings, etc. together. It should help things run smoother.

[CanMan]

:thumbup:

[Mc2KXJ]

Great work, Michael.

[WaXJ_Skier]

Call "in" on the Epic run

[CanMan]

Call "in" on the Epic run

+1.

[Ba-Riedo]

+1.

+2...:shhh:

-Alex

[CanMan]

You'll break again.

:looser:

:shhh:

:D

[2xtreme]

The Epic run list of attendee's will be sorted out closer to time.
I do want to know who is interested (and can guarantee being there Thursday evening checked in, tech completed, etc) but we won't solidify the list until we get closer to the date.

I have not decided how it will be decided yet entirely, but I have several ideas :laugh:

Michael

[fubar XJ]

If we have too many people wanting in, break it into two "epic" groups running the same route. Group 2 leaves camp 45 minutes later.

[Metal Thrasher]

The Epic run list of attendee's will be sorted out closer to time.
I do want to know who is interested (and can guarantee being there Thursday evening checked in, tech completed, etc) but we won't solidify the list until we get closer to the date.

I have not decided how it will be decided yet entirely, but I have several ideas :laugh:

Michael

:scottm: Cash? Or historic example? :gee:

If we have too many people wanting in, break it into two "epic" groups running the same route. Group 2 leaves camp 45 minutes later.

One forward one runs it backwards?

[fubar XJ]

I wasn't thinking that, but that would work too. Depends on the difference in "epicness" between running the route from the opposite direction. Some trails suck backwards, some are okay.

[2xtreme]

If we have too many people wanting in, break it into two "epic" groups running the same route. Group 2 leaves camp 45 minutes later.

I have considered this. And I would have two groups, 1 running backwards from the other. Although some of these trails are more challenging in one direction from the other, they are all doable in either direction and both Han's and I have done each of them in both directions in the past. *IF* we decide to do it this way, we may also make it a competition;)

We will work this all out as we get closer to time.
Michael

[Metal Thrasher]

I have considered this. And I would have two groups, 1 running backwards from the other. Although some of these trails are more challenging in one direction from the other, they are all doable in either direction and both Han's and I have done each of them in both directions in the past. *IF* we decide to do it this way, we may also make it a competition;)

We will work this all out as we get closer to time.
Michael

Dibs on the group that doesn't include Alex! :cheers:

[IXNAYXJ]

Dibs on the group that doesn't include Alex! :cheers:Oooo, burn!

(I call dibs too)

-----Matt-----

[Muddy Beast]

Nice stuff, thanks Michael! I'm looking forward to wheeling Naches. Hopefully I'll be locked F/R by then with 33's. :)

~Scott

[RlCHARD CRANlUM]

Great job Michael, thanks.

[Ba-Riedo]

Oooo, burn!

(I call dibs too)

-----Matt-----

Tool, that is all.

-Alex

[Bruno™]

Sweet deal Michael. Im really looking forward to this trip!

In for the Hard runs....FWIW. :D

-Lyle

[Bruno™]

Nice stuff, thanks Michael! I'm looking forward to wheeling Naches. Hopefully I'll be locked F/R by then with 33's. :)

~Scott

Hurry up and sell your bike, do a rear axle build, and get some big boy tires under that Jeep of yours. :D

-Lyle

P.S. I may just have my 8.25 locked by then. Ive got other things on my to do list before that though...

[TORX]

Friday, June 26th
Easy Run, Leave at 11:00AM (3Hrs up to Rocks, 2Hrs back down)
1702, 1720, Bald Mt, C.J.R.s Hideout, Moon Rocks/Funny Rocks, Milk Lake, 1708
Moderate Run, Leave at 11:00AM (12 rig max) (4 Hrs up to Rocks, 2 Hrs back down)
1708, Lower Woodpecker, Upper Woodpecker, Summit to Moon Rocks/Funny Rocks, Milk Lake, 1708
Epic Run (leave at 8:00AM, 8 rigs max, 33’s and 1 TAD, Experience!!) 10 Hrs-12Hrs Hans/Michael to lead group
Kaner Flats, Shoestring, Tripod Flats, Buck Meadows, Quartz Mt., Wells Meadow, Manastash Ridge, String (Rocks), Tipover, Upper Woodpecker, Lower Woodpecker.
Raven’s Roost Night Run (Leave 1hr, and 2hr’s before Sunset)
Main road for stock vehicles, Powerline (900) for modified


It seems like another hard run might need to be added for Friday. Maybe run Kaner Flats, and then spend a couple hours at the rocks.

With only 8 spots open for the epic run, I foresee a lot of people and rigs looking for something laid back/challenging to do. Maybe an unofficial run can get organized on Friday morning.

Also, has anyone checked into getting a NWF Forum set up?

[Ba-Riedo]

Also we should start thinking about tech demos when and where. We had talked about doing some stuff last year but it never really worked out.

I think that the best time would be saturday night before dinner or between dinner and the raffle. Master Pull would be prepared to do some demos on proper winching technique using tree savers and snatch blocks.

-Alex

[RlCHARD CRANlUM]

Also, has anyone checked into getting a NWF Forum set up?

I'm waiting to hear back if they need more information before it gets done.

[IXNAYXJ]

Also we should start thinking about tech demos when and where.I could do an Intro to Zip-Ties 101 class...?

-----Matt-----

[Ba-Riedo]

I could do an Intro to Zip-Ties 101 class...?

-----Matt-----

I have actually been waiting very patiently for this class for over a year now, can I have some more information?

-Alex

[IXNAYXJ]

I have actually been waiting very patiently for this class for over a year now, can I have some more information?I can send you the "Getting Started" handbook if you want. Paypal me the first easy payment of $47.99 to get started on the first leg of your journey to becoming a Certified Zip-Tie Master Tech.

-----Matt-----

[Ba-Riedo]

I can send you the "Getting Started" handbook if you want. Paypal me the first easy payment of $47.99 to get started on the first leg of your journey to becoming a Certified Zip-Tie Master Tech.

-----Matt-----

Trade ya for some rope...:laugh3:

-Alex

[rooneypower]

I can send you the "Getting Started" handbook if you want. Paypal me the first easy payment of $47.99 to get started on the first leg of your journey to becoming a Certified Zip-Tie Master Tech.

-----Matt-----


:laugh3::laugh3::laugh3:

hahahahahahahaha But Matt, no special offers?

Keil

[mojojojo]

Also we should start thinking about tech demos when and where. We had talked about doing some stuff last year but it never really worked out.

I think that the best time would be saturday night before dinner or between dinner and the raffle. Master Pull would be prepared to do some demos on proper winching technique using tree savers and snatch blocks.

-Alex


FYI..... i am planning some games / competition type things for that night after the dinner / raffle for kids of all ages

:wave:

[XJCasper]

I think I have to wait for...


Gorilla Tape 103

[IXNAYXJ]

I think I have to wait for...


Gorilla Tape 103That's part of the course material.

-----Matt-----

[juniorXJ]

FYI..... i am planning some games / competition type things for that night after the dinner / raffle for kids of all ages

:wave:

what about that teeter toter thing you drive on and balance? or you can take 4 6x6 chunks of wood and place them in front of all 4 tires and try to park on top the the 6x6 chunks of wood. ill come up with more later.

[fubar XJ]

My after dinner games will involve distilled beverages. I haven't decided yet about tech requirements, but most of you will be welcome to play.

[Avanteone]

My after dinner games will involve distilled beverages. I haven't decided yet about tech requirements, but most of you will be welcome to play.

How about a dance-off, Doug? :roflmao:

[fubar XJ]

Sure, you provide the booze, I'll provide the moves.;)

[Mc2KXJ]

FYI..... i am planning some games / competition type things for that night after the dinner / raffle for kids of all ages

:wave:


What do you think of a mini-crawler event for the R/C guys? I don't have one, but I know heaps of guys on here do and I'm sure it would be a blast to watch after a few cocktails.

[IXNAYXJ]

Sure, you provide the booze, I'll provide the moves.;)Sounds like cheap entertainment to me. :shhh:

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j160/ixnayxj/CIMG5930.jpg

-----Matt-----

[JBweld]

^
Hoe. Lee. Crap.

That picture is blinding me from sheer awesomeness.

[CanMan]

You've never seen it?

You missed out on some good times.

:laugh:

[Ba-Riedo]

You've never seen it?

You missed out on some good times.

:laugh:

Yeah more like epic times...:party:

-Alex

[2xtreme]

Also we should start thinking about tech demos when and where. We had talked about doing some stuff last year but it never really worked out.

I think that the best time would be saturday night before dinner or between dinner and the raffle. Master Pull would be prepared to do some demos on proper winching technique using tree savers and snatch blocks.

-Alex

Unless someone else can think of a better time, I agree Alex. I can add a tire repair demo right before or after yours also. I will plan on keeping it to 45 minutes max.
Michael

[fubar XJ]

^
Hoe. Lee. Crap.

That picture is blinding me from sheer awesomeness.

Eh, I don't look drunk enough.

I'll do it up right next time.

[XJ_ranger]

The Epic run list of attendee's will be sorted out closer to time.
I do want to know who is interested (and can guarantee being there Thursday evening checked in, tech completed, etc) but we won't solidify the list until we get closer to the date.


I'm interested, but not 'quite' a part of the 'team' yet - maybe we'll have more time to wheel together before then?


and I want to be in Alex's group - with my Nikon d60, I want as much footage of Master Pull products attached to white jeeps as possible to post up :D :D

[juniorXJ]

woohoo i wount be the only one with a nikon. D60 here too.

[bean8104]

2 bungee cords is a battery tie down right ? JK and bring 25 gallons of water for the guy behind you that over heats 240 times like last year i wont point any fingers you know who you are ;o) you wouldn't think a radiator cap could cause that many problems... i had a great time last year i will be there for sure again this year

wasnt it Alex that overheated 240 times and and then tried to removed his leaf springs while driving....

[fubar XJ]

wasnt it Alex that overheated 240 times and and then tried to removed his leaf springs while driving....


My love for Alex grew exponentially as that run wore on. After awhile we were singing Kum-Ba-Ya while holding hands. I really wanted to hug him up somethin' fierce by the end there.

[Ba-Riedo]

My love for Alex grew exponentially as that run wore on. After awhile we were singing Kum-Ba-Ya while holding hands. I really wanted to hug him up somethin' fierce by the end there.

:shhh:

I remember something slightly different.

-Alex

[thethinginthewoods]

Sounds like cheap entertainment to me. :shhh:

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j160/ixnayxj/CIMG5930.jpg

-----Matt-----

amazing, an absolute classic!

[fubar XJ]

The only way to improve upon it is if I were standing in the fire with my underwear pulled over my head.


I tend to set the bar high.

[Mc2KXJ]

That's a pretty high bar. :)

[IXNAYXJ]

That's a pretty high bar. :)Either way, I'm pretty sure a bar had something to do with it.

http://www.hamiltonsdc.com/graphics/upstairs%20bar.jpg

-----Matt-----

[thethinginthewoods]

Ha ha ha!