Where's the Beef ???

[cds36]

Oh there it is......

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f91/cds36/Otr%20Steering/6479188536_ORIG.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f91/cds36/Otr%20Steering/IMG_0732.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f91/cds36/Otr%20Steering/IMG_0736.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f91/cds36/Otr%20Steering/IMG_0737.jpg

And there too .....

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f91/cds36/Otr%20Steering/IMG_0742.jpg

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u309/hellbilly86/Craigs%20Jeep/IMG_0743.jpg

[Jays siik xj]

NICE!!!

I was actually about to start my Crossover steering too... Whered you get ur Heim joints?

[Jump This]

Damn sexy!

[GrimmJeeper]

HEY! i know that driveway :eyes:


:D lookin good home slice!

mono leafs huh? you must have some stiff ass shocks!

[swbooking]

Looks good but, how come you didnt just go OTK with the steering?

[crazyjim]

Nice man... What'd the custom steering set ya back? Billy? Inquiring minds want to know!

[tcm glx]

Ohhhh that is some good stuff right there!

[Ryno XJ]

Very nice!

[jeeperjohn]

Damn, now I have to clean the drool off my keyboard!

[Ryno XJ]

Damn, now I have to clean the drool off my keyboard!

Are you sure that is drool?????:wierd:

[swbooking]

Are you sure that is drool?????:wierd:
EEEEEWWWW...

Now that is disgusting.

[Andy Steiner]

Looks good but, how come you didnt just go OTK with the steering?

Why bother on a 2WD? The steering is above the axle tube.

[swbooking]

Shit, truthfully i didnt pay attention that it was 2wd. I see your point.

[bcmaxx]

HEY! i know that driveway :eyes:


:D lookin good home slice!

mono leafs huh? you must have some stiff ass shocks!
yeah, whats with one leaf?

[crazyjim]

yeah, whats with one leaf?
Suspension travel test I'm assuming.

[cds36]

Suspension travel test I'm assuming.

Ding Ding

That would be right !!

[cracker]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f91/cds36/Otr%20Steering/IMG_0736.jpg

Even as a prerunner, the available range for the rod end at the pitman arm will bind before the limit strap tops out when the passenger side unloads. Look at the angle it sits at just being static. This binding will put unwanted force on the rod end bolt and the steering box/sector shaft.

2 options. Replace the rod end at the pitman arm with a 1 ton TRE which provides more usable range OR bring the drag link up higher with another knuckle (like a WJ set up) so it has more available range. Doing a WJ set up and lifting the track bar bracket will also increase the roll center making it slightly more stable.

[Monkey55]

Looks "BEEFY" Craig... Your rig is coming along.

Is there ever an end?? :dunno:


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[cal]

I'm with cracker.

That has to change or you're in trouble. You probably won't get more than 4 or 5 inches of droop before the steering maxes out, and if you're LUCKY, you'll only break a bolt or rod end. If you're unlikely, a sector shaft or rip the box off of the frame.

And hopefully its offroad when it happens. ;)

[cracker]

This would be another solution but not optimal. I would think there might be too much leverage on the sterring box/sector shaft. Keep in mind track bar and drag link need to be parallel and similar in length. You would also need to make sure the pitman arm does not hit the tie rod under compression.

http://www.off-road.com/trucks4x4/data/articlestandard/dodge/102007/409687/Pitman_arm_2_l.jpg

[crazyjim]

Steering makes absolutely no sense to me.

[cds36]

Steering makes absolutely no sense to me.


That make 2 of us Jim lol

[cracker]

That make 2 of us Jim lol

Go outside, unbolt your drag link at the knuckle, take a pic of where it hangs being unbolted (next to the knuckl).

That would be your MAXIMUM dropout on your passenger side (before binding).

Post it up when you are done.

[besthaticouldo]

yes...none of this makes sense. i am so lost

all i know is those tubes are freaking HUGE compared to mine...lol

[crazyjim]

Go outside, unbolt your drag link at the knuckle, take a pic of where it hangs being unbolted (next to the knuckl).

That would be your MAXIMUM dropout on your passenger side (before binding).

Post it up when you are done.
Ohhhhh I get it. Basically what you're saying is, the heim on the pitman is already extended pretty far out, or twisted pretty far, so any droop out of the passenger side would just bind it.

[cracker]

Ohhhhh I get it. Basically what you're saying is, the heim on the pitman is already extended pretty far out, or twisted pretty far, so any droop out of the passenger side would just bind it.

;)

Yes. You nailed it on the head.

The same issue comes up (for the 4wd models) with the front drive line. The CV only extends SO far as it binds quite easily as well.

[RWKHausSupply]

well one other option that gains about 7 more degree's of angle EDIT...

Sorry its 1" to 9/16" bolt = 36deg where as a 7/8" to 9/16 bolt (high mis bushings basically)- 32deg

SO maybe look in to that option if you only have 7/8 hiems on those two locations?

[Phil]

Even as a prerunner, the available range for the rod end at the pitman arm will bind before the limit strap tops out when the passenger side unloads. Look at the angle it sits at just being static. This binding will put unwanted force on the rod end bolt and the steering box/sector shaft.

2 options. Replace the rod end at the pitman arm with a 1 ton TRE which provides more usable range OR bring the drag link up higher with another knuckle (like a WJ set up) so it has more available range. Doing a WJ set up and lifting the track bar bracket will also increase the roll center making it slightly more stable.

Avery, what would be wrong with putting a couple bends in the drag link, in this application?

[cracker]

Avery, what would be wrong with putting a couple bends in the drag link, in this application?

Nothing is wrong with that either other than the drag link he is using now might be too short after the bends. The bend at the knuckle end of the drag link may get close to the tie rod when articulated but as a pre-reunner it may not be an issue.

There is a couple of different ways of skinning that cat for sure as I was thinking about them as I was eating lunch. :cheers:

[cal]

Avery, what would be wrong with putting a couple bends in the drag link, in this application?


You'd have to add an adjuster sleeve, or unbolt the steering to adjust it.. (and the maybe too short thing)

[jeeperjohn]

How about twisting the draglink end of the pitman arm about 15* or so to straighten out the bearing soo it will droop more before binding?

[cal]

How about twisting the draglink end of the pitman arm about 15* or so to straighten out the bearing soo it will droop more before binding?

You still need to address the knuckle end.. are you going to twist that one too?

You weren't far off though, people do that.

This is from Bulletproof Steering. You're gonna pay about $300 for one.

http://bulletproofsteering.com/img361.gif

[jeeperjohn]

You still need to address the knuckle end.. are you going to twist that one too?

You weren't far off though, people do that.

This is from Bulletproof Steering. You're gonna pay about $300 for one.
Good point. High misalignment spacers would help though.

[GrimmJeeper]

Good point. High misalignment spacers would help though.
i thought thats what he has now, high misalignment rod ends:huh:

[hellbilly04]

do you really think i was stuip enough to not cycle the front end & make sure the heims didn't bind, The picture is misleading. Yes I could of done OTK but why it's 2WD

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f91/cds36/Otr%20Steering/IMG_0736.jpg

Even as a prerunner, the available range for the rod end at the pitman arm will bind before the limit strap tops out when the passenger side unloads. Look at the angle it sits at just being static. This binding will put unwanted force on the rod end bolt and the steering box/sector shaft.

2 options. Replace the rod end at the pitman arm with a 1 ton TRE which provides more usable range OR bring the drag link up higher with another knuckle (like a WJ set up) so it has more available range. Doing a WJ set up and lifting the track bar bracket will also increase the roll center making it slightly more stable.

[cal]

do you really think i was stuip enough to not cycle the front end & make sure the heims didn't bind, The picture is misleading. Yes I could of done OTK but why it's 2WD


No one here is calling you stupid ;) We're just a bunch of shit talking webwheelers.

=)

[cracker]

No one here is calling you stupid ;) We're just a bunch of shit talking webwheelers.

=)

Yeah. We have no real world experience and spend hours and hours online spreading :bs:

[Phil]

You'd have to add an adjuster sleeve, or unbolt the steering to adjust it.. (and the maybe too short thing)

How often do you really have to adjust it though? I'd say I haven't adjusted mine in a couple years. What's an extra 20 minutes to unbolt it?