Obama's Freudian slip?

[ECKSJAY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qotHTtr30I

Decide for yourselves. ;)

[ehall]

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[ECKSJAY]

Ha, they pulled it...that's why. party1:

He was in an interview saying, "John McCain hasn't questioned my Muslim faith.."

Interviewer says, "Your Christian faith?"

He says, "Yeah, my Christian faith..."

[JohnJohn]

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/07/obama-verbal-slip-fuels-his-critics/

I refuse to turn my TV to ABC so I had to read about it. :D

[RockMonkey]

The original link worked for me, just now.

[Mudderoy]

I saw it too. I'm sure he was just tired and thinking about something else, but it is funny. Let's see if the media makes anything of it. I doubt they will, I mean even the interviewer HELPED him with his answer.

I think that means more than Osama's slip. Wait, I just did it too! I said Osama. I must think Obama is the debil! :yelclap:

[ECKSJAY]

:viking:

http://algraffix.nstemp.com/obama_osama.jpg

[JohnJohn]

:viking:

http://algraffix.nstemp.com/obama_osama.jpg

That's fake right? CNN made that mistake? seriously? DUDE. LOL :roflmao:

[ECKSJAY]

That's fake right? CNN made that mistake? seriously? DUDE. LOL :roflmao:

:shhh:

CNN Apologizes for Mistaken Headline

Tuesday, January 2, 2007

(01-02) 13:10 PST New York (AP) --

CNN apologized Tuesday for mistakenly promoting a story on the search for Osama bin Laden with the headline "Where's Obama?"

A spokesman for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama said the apology was accepted.

The blunder came Monday evening on Wolf Blitzer's news show "The Situation Room." Both Soledad O'Brien and Blitzer offered separate apologies during CNN's morning show Tuesday.

CNN called it a "bad typographical error" by its graphics department.

"We want to apologize for that bad typo," Blitzer said. "We also want to apologize personally to Sen. Barack Obama. I'm going to be making a call to him later this morning to offer my personal apology."

Tommy Vieto, Obama's press secretary, said he appreciated the bloggers and activists who brought the error to light so quickly and helped make sure it was corrected.

"Though I'd note that the `s' and `b' keys aren't all that close to each other, I assume it was just an unfortunate mistake, and don't think there was any truly malicious intent," Vieto said.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/01/02/entertainment/e114217S82.DTL

[CanMan]

I'm sure he was just tired and thinking about something else....

Im sure he's just an idiot.

I DO NOT want a president that is tired and has other things on his mind. :doh:

[ECKSJAY]

Im sure he's just an idiot.

I DO NOT want a president that is tired and has other things on his mind. :doh:

Like hiding his true religion. :clap:

9/11 wasn't enough for some people, it seems. :doh:

[CanMan]

He'll want to start flying the Air Force One himself soon.

[ECKSJAY]

He'll want to start flying the Air Force One himself soon.

Dirka dirka. :clap:

I wanna go hunting with the GILF. :dunce: I should invite her to a West Texas dove hunt. :owl:

[kujito]

Here's an expanded version of that interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpoAVAA1F30&feature=related). Helps to keep things in the original context.

[ECKSJAY]

Here's an expanded version of that interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpoAVAA1F30&feature=related). Helps to keep things in the original context.

A slip is a slip. All the original interview shows is that he's not 'tired'. The stammering when cornered said it all.

:thumbdn:

[kujito]

I think it was exactly what he meant to say, but got interrupted by the interviewer. He was agreeing that McCain had not personally and publicly said that he was a Muslim. Maybe he is/was/whatever. Just saying that it comes across (at least to me) differently when viewed in the larger context of the interview.
Don't worry about my vote. While I'm trying to keep an open mind for the next few weeks, I'm starting that it would take something really HUGE for him to get my vote.

[JNickel101]

Don't worry about my vote. While I'm trying to keep an open mind for the next few weeks, I'm starting that it would take something really HUGE for him to get my vote.

Like being kidnapped by men with black hoods on, weilding AKs and kitana swords/machetes, putting you on your knees in front of a camera and proceeding to ask you who you're going to vote for while holding said weapons to your throat?

Oh damn....did I go too far? :shhh:

[kujito]

I don't know if that would work or not. Usually my response to violence and threats is reciprocal violence or sarcasm. I'd probably reply that I was voting for "Ya momma". Then I'd have no more worries.

BTW. Nice to see that you made it back stateside, even if you did end up in NM. lol
Nothin' like tradin sand for sand huh?

[JNickel101]

Yep, well, the funny thing is, I was in New Mexico for 4 years before I went to the OTHER desert....now I'm back here...for now :)

At least I'm close to a lot of good wheeling in Las Cruces/Alamogordo/Cloudcroft/Ruidoso....

[Steve_Moore]

He'll want to start flying the Air Force One himself soon.
I bet he's already using Microsoft Flight Sim 10 to practice! :D

[Hammered]

YOU WANT THE TRUTH?


http://incogman.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/ucanthandlethetruth.jpg

[kujito]

Yep, well, the funny thing is, I was in New Mexico for 4 years before I went to the OTHER desert....now I'm back here...for now :)
At least I'm close to a lot of good wheeling in Las Cruces/Alamogordo/Cloudcroft/Ruidoso....
Just in time for the green chiles too! :yelclap: YUM!! There's a butt ton of "Hatch" chile roasting stands around here, but most of it comes from Pueblo, CO. pisses me off

[k.smith904]

you people are so gullible, do you not know that Obama's name used to be Barry? It was changed to a MUSLIM NAME, because he attended a MUSLIM SCHOOL!

It simply amazes me that the entire nation can continue to look over that fact. Do you really want a guy who lies about his religion to be in the White House?

Vote Obama 08! The Audacity of Hype!

[ECKSJAY]

you people are so gullible, do you not know that Obama's name used to be Barry? It was changed to a MUSLIM NAME, because he attended a MUSLIM SCHOOL!

It simply amazes me that the entire nation can continue to look over that fact. Do you really want a guy who lies about his religion to be in the White House?

Vote Obama 08! The Audacity of Hype!


lol, it's in his book "Dreams From My Father"...he came to the US on a scholarship and wanted to fit in, so he went by 'Barry'. LMAO, it wasn't until he went back to Kenya that he decided that he would go by his birth name, which was the same as his Father's.

lol@arguing for the sake of argument

[Darky]

you people are so gullible, do you not know that Obama's name used to be Barry? It was changed to a MUSLIM NAME, because he attended a MUSLIM SCHOOL!

It simply amazes me that the entire nation can continue to look over that fact. Do you really want a guy who lies about his religion to be in the White House?

Vote Obama 08! The Audacity of Hype!
That son of a gun! Oh wait, you're wrong.

[fscrig75]

lol, it's in his book "Dreams From My Father"...he came to the US on a scholarship and wanted to fit in, so he went by 'Barry'. LMAO, it wasn't until he went back to Kenya that he decided that he would go by his birth name, which was the same as his Father's.

lol@arguing for the sake of argument

Actually his dad came to America on a Scholarship. Obama moved back to Hawaii to live with his grandparents instead of living in India with his mother and step-father and step-sister.
I think he said that he went by Barry to just get by easier than trying to explain a name like Barrack.

[ECKSJAY]

Actually his dad came to America on a Scholarship. Obama moved back to Hawaii to live with his grandparents instead of living in India with his mother and step-father and step-sister.
I think he said that he went by Barry to just get by easier than trying to explain a name like Barrack.

Yeah I buggered the scholarship part...but everything else is correct. ;) He had a fondness of his Father (who impregnated an 18yo white agnostic woman out of wedlock, oddly enough) and his African heritage, so he 'proudly' went by his birth name again. Funny that he never really speaks of his white heritage. :dunno:

[Bent]

Bla bla bla bla...is he dead yet?

[fscrig75]

..... Funny that he never really speaks of his white heritage. :dunno:

Yea I often wonder that too, espically since his mothers side did all of the raising. But I'll give him credit he is walking a fine line with being both black and white. Could you imagine if his white grandmother was on CNN all the time and no one ever heard from his black grandmother. He would be getting killed about how he isn't black enough, whatever the f*ck that means.
He is kinda damned if does, damned if he doesn't.
But like I said I like the way he has handled himself in regards to race.

[red91]

He would be getting killed about how he isn't black enough, whatever the f*ck that means.

But like I said I like the way he has handled himself in regards to race.


1.) He's not. :D

2.) If you were in Vegas gambling, would you play your best move right off the bat or save it till you knew it would help you win ??


He still has " that " card up his sleeve.

[JNickel101]

x2...you never hear the word "half" used when describing his race/ethnicity. And isn't his dad's heratige actually like 90% Arabic, not African?

EDIT: nevermind, he's "Luo Union" or something like that....

[fscrig75]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama,_Sr
Here is some stuff on his dad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham
And here is some stuff on his mom.

[ECKSJAY]

x2...you never hear the word "half" used when describing his race/ethnicity. And isn't his dad's heratige actually like 90% Arabic, not African?

EDIT: nevermind, he's "Luo Union" or something like that....

Quack quack ;)

[norcal420]

Like hiding his true religion. :clap:

9/11 wasn't enough for some people, it seems. :doh:

I find it hiliarious you're concerned about what religion he 'belongs' to. as if there's any difference between a christian, a jew, insert any theist, or a muslim. they're all idiots. :confused1

[ECKSJAY]

I find it hiliarious you're concerned about what religion he 'belongs' to. as if there's any difference between a christian, a jew, insert any theist, or a muslim. they're all idiots. :confused1

Last I checked it wasn't Jews or Christians who flew airplanes into our buildings. ;)

Dirka?

[norcal420]

Last I checked it wasn't Jews or Christians who flew airplanes into our buildings. ;)

Dirka?

last time i checked muslims weren't bombing abortion clinics. :looser:

[jforse]

Last I checked it wasn't Jews or Christians who flew airplanes into our buildings. ;)

Dirka?


Clumping an entire religion into a stereotype is just not right. It is like the tree huggers clumping every OHV into a group that likes to go out run through wetlands and through trees.

I have a few friends that are Muslims. Are they terrorists? Hell no. Thats the beauty of this country everyone can speak there mind have there own thoughts and religion.

[ECKSJAY]

last time i checked muslims weren't bombing abortion clinics. :looser:

last time *I* checked, thousands of people were killed in abortion clinic bombings. :explosion

[ECKSJAY]

Clumping an entire religion into a stereotype is just not right.

Thats the beauty of this country everyone can speak there mind have there own thoughts and religion.

In the same post, even. :laugh::patriot:

[Darky]

last time i checked muslims weren't bombing abortion clinics. :looser:
Actually, I'd bet there are some out there. Muslims share the same views on abortion as we do and they seem to have a propensity for blowing themselves and/or others up to make a point.

P.S. When was the last abortion clinic bombed by a "Christian"? None recently as far as I can recall.

[norcal420]

Actually, I'd bet there are some out there. Muslims share the same views on abortion as we do and they seem to have a propensity for blowing themselves and/or others up to make a point.

don't lump me (or millions of others) in with your idiocy.

P.S. When was the last abortion clinic bombed by a "Christian"? None recently as far as I can recall.

oh, we're only referencing the years since 9/11? is that really how myopic you and phil are? bummer, guess i can't mention the examples of christianity murdering thousands of innocents.

don't stop believing... :patriot:

[Darky]

don't lump me (or millions of others) in with your idiocy.



oh, we're only referencing the years since 9/11? is that really how myopic you and phil are? bummer, guess i can't mention the examples of christianity murdering thousands of innocents.

don't stop believing... :patriot:
See, people like you are a part of the problem today. Someone has a differing viewpoint and you decide they're obviously idiots because they disagree. Grow up.

BTW, if you open your mind to the rest of the world, Muslim extremists are blowing themselves up, along with as many infidels as they can find, on a pretty regular basis. Now, again I ask, when's the last time you heard of someone claiming to be Christian blowing anything up?

[buschwhaked]

I know it's a little dated, but these guys weren't angels. Not really "blowing themselves up" unless you count artillery fire and alleyway mass executions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalangist

I do think the current problem for the US lies with Muslim extremists, but no religion has a clean history.

[kujito]

P.S. When was the last abortion clinic bombed by a "Christian"? None recently as far as I can recall.

All of these shitbags are self-proclaimed "Christians" :shhh:. Are these events recent enough?

Paul Ross Evans, 27 arrested on April 27, 2007 AD as a suspect after an explosive device was found at the Austin Women's Health Center abortion mill...

Peter James Knight: Peter entered the Fertility Control Clinic in East Melbourne on July 16, 2001 and killed the abortion clinic security guard Steven Rogers and shot him in the chest. When arrested Peter had a handwritten note that read, “We regret to advise that as a result of a fatal accident involving some members of staff, we have been forced to cancel all appointments today.” After his arrest, Knight wrote, “There will not be an abortionist in Melbourne left deathless.”

David Robert McMenemey: On September 11, 2006 AD, David doused his car with gasoline and drove it through the glass doors of Edgerton Women’s Health Center in Davenport, Iowa...

EDIT: Look into "Christian Identity". Here's a little bit,
"Perhaps the most chilling manifestation of Identity terrorism can be found in the concept of the Phineas Priesthood, set forth by Richard Kelly Hoskins in his 1990 book Vigilantes of Christendom. The Priesthood is based on the concept of the obscure Biblical character Phinehas, an Israelite who used a spear to slay a "race-mixing" fellow Israelite and the Midianite woman with whom he had sex. Hoskins conjured up the idea of an elite class of "Phineas Priests," self-anointed warriors who would use extreme measures to attack race-mixers, gays, or abortionists, among other targets."
Muslims are not the only ones capable of extreme violence in the name of their religion.

[Darky]

Like I said, Christians have a history as well. But recent damage, and most frequent attacks have been put forth by one particular religion. That's the only reason it makes any difference. Also, if there is no difference, why would he allegedly attempt to hide it.

[Darky]

I'm not trying to get into a pissing match. I could go online and find plenty of Muslims who've blown themselves up and taken out many more than 1 or 2 people with them. I don't condone bombings of anything by any religion, they're all terrorist actions. I could probably find examples of members of most religions out there killing someone for their beliefs.

[buschwhaked]

Like I said, Christians have a history as well. But recent damage, and most frequent attacks have been put forth by one particular religion. That's the only reason it makes any difference. Also, if there is no difference, why would he allegedly attempt to hide it.

It's more about the range of history we are talking about. In the last decade, Muslims, last hundred...thousand? I don't really know the ratios here but it doesn't matter. It's extremism that is the enemy, of any religion. Muslim extremism is the current flavor and we have to deal with it appropriately, blind of religion. Abortion clinic bombings are wrong, McVay was wrong, Osama Bin Laden is wrong, the Unabomber was wrong, and the list goes on. To me, it's middle of the road with this and all forms of extremism should be fought with the best of our available resources.

To blanket one group puts us all at danger and exposes the range of our vision. Profiling someone at the airport is counter productive. The enemy will adapt. Ever seen Chechan Muslims? Red hair, look like Joe Irishman. In Iraq we made the mistake of only focusing on males of a certain age range for suicide bombers. The enemy realized this and started using women and the mentally ill.

Anyway, thats just my take on the issue. It's never black and white.

[kujito]

Not trying to 'out piss' anyone, but you did ask the questions.
Now, again I ask, when's the last time you heard of someone claiming to be Christian blowing anything up?
See my last.

[kujito]

I couldn't really give a rat's ass if Obama's a Muslim or not, I don't believe that it should preclude him from becoming President(but it would). As it's almost impossible to find any objective reporting on anything on either of the candidates, I/We will have to make up our own minds after sifting through what is available. I also think that people may be reading a bit much into this interview stumble. Is it revealing/condemning? Maybe. Will it cost him votes? Yes. Should it? Maybe. Isn't that the point of this discussion?

[muduck18]

Read the Bible - Speak to a pastor or priest or the friggen pope.
Read the Kuran - Speak to a Muslim , Sahib,Muezzin,Caliph,Imam,Mullah,Mujtahid, ... leader...
Then come back here and have a sensible comparasin of these two reli.. ways of life...

just like with Bill Clinton, It was not so much the issue of the sex, it was the issue that the President can stand up in front of the nation and say "I didn't do it" then its prooven that he did it. and he has to say "oh yeah thats what you were asking about"
If he is truely lying about it we are in for some problems if he gets elected.
If obama is a Muslim hu rah for muslims... if he is a 'christian' then great. our nation was founded with the pretents that people are free to practice what ever religion.
But We as people should make sure that our leaders are honest and good representations of us and the U.S.

[JNickel101]

All of these shitbags are self-proclaimed "Christians" :shhh:. Are these events recent enough?

Paul Ross Evans, 27 arrested on April 27, 2007 AD as a suspect after an explosive device was found at the Austin Women's Health Center abortion mill...

Peter James Knight: Peter entered the Fertility Control Clinic in East Melbourne on July 16, 2001 and killed the abortion clinic security guard Steven Rogers and shot him in the chest. When arrested Peter had a handwritten note that read, “We regret to advise that as a result of a fatal accident involving some members of staff, we have been forced to cancel all appointments today.” After his arrest, Knight wrote, “There will not be an abortionist in Melbourne left deathless.”

David Robert McMenemey: On September 11, 2006 AD, David doused his car with gasoline and drove it through the glass doors of Edgerton Women’s Health Center in Davenport, Iowa...

EDIT: Look into "Christian Identity". Here's a little bit,
"Perhaps the most chilling manifestation of Identity terrorism can be found in the concept of the Phineas Priesthood, set forth by Richard Kelly Hoskins in his 1990 book Vigilantes of Christendom. The Priesthood is based on the concept of the obscure Biblical character Phinehas, an Israelite who used a spear to slay a "race-mixing" fellow Israelite and the Midianite woman with whom he had sex. Hoskins conjured up the idea of an elite class of "Phineas Priests," self-anointed warriors who would use extreme measures to attack race-mixers, gays, or abortionists, among other targets."
Muslims are not the only ones capable of extreme violence in the name of their religion.


So you named 3 fanatical so called "Christian" extremists, targeting one or two people...while there are thousands of Muslims practicing this extremism on a daily basis, targeting thousands or millions.

Yeah...that's the same.

[buschwhaked]

So you named 3 fanatical so called "Christian" extremists, targeting one or two people...while there are thousands of Muslims practicing this extremism on a daily basis, targeting thousands or millions.

Yeah...that's the same.

You really don't think extremism no matter the religion is not the same? That Christian extremism isn't capable of inflicting the same kind of horror that the current Muslim extremists are? That Muslim extremist are the most active currently but extremists of other religions aren't capable of wreaking their level of devastation either in the past or the future?

[Darky]

Read the Bible - Speak to a pastor or priest or the friggen pope.
Read the Kuran - Speak to a Muslim , Sahib,Muezzin,Caliph,Imam,Mullah,Mujtahid, ... leader...
Then come back here and have a sensible comparasin of these two reli.. ways of life...

just like with Bill Clinton, It was not so much the issue of the sex, it was the issue that the President can stand up in front of the nation and say "I didn't do it" then its prooven that he did it. and he has to say "oh yeah thats what you were asking about"
If he is truely lying about it we are in for some problems if he gets elected.
If obama is a Muslim hu rah for muslims... if he is a 'christian' then great. our nation was founded with the pretents that people are free to practice what ever religion.
But We as people should make sure that our leaders are honest and good representations of us and the U.S.
He makes a very good point. If Obama is found to be lying, it's not a very good start. However, that's a big if. Also, look at the differences between what happens in a Muslim run gov't vs a Buddhist (at least I think that's what Tibet is) or a secular (albeit Christian majority) gov't. Muslim gov't brings about Shari'a law where a young girl is stoned to death for talking to a boy, little kids get their arms broken for thievery, etc. Not saying this is indicative of all Muslims, but if you look at the percentages, Muslims seems to be the better bet for losing their minds...;)

[JNickel101]

Extremism is the same - but you cant compare abortion clinic bombings (BTW, when was the last time you heard about one of those? Someone named what, 3, in the last decade?) to what fanatical Muslims are doing on a daily basis.....I just think comparing them, almost "justifying" them by saying "well, Christians have done it too..." is dead wrong.

I do agree with your post above though - we can't "target" a specific look because they are adapting.

Jeez...I think that's two things we've agreed on in the past 2-3 days. Cats sleeping with dogs, up is down....

:D

[norcal420]

See, people like you are a part of the problem today. Someone has a differing viewpoint and you decide they're obviously idiots because they disagree. Grow up.

They're not idiots because they disagree with me. They're idiots for believing in god.

BTW, if you open your mind to the rest of the world, Muslim extremists are blowing themselves up, along with as many infidels as they can find, on a pretty regular basis. Now, again I ask, when's the last time you heard of someone claiming to be Christian blowing anything up?

Your definition of extremism is their god's will.

Just as christians have murdered millions of innocents (crusades, northern ireland, abortion clinics, inquisition) - the muslims are trying to duplicate those efforts via a similar tired, obsolete, outdated mythology. It does none of us any good.

Don't stop, believing... hold on to that feeling. :patriot:

[jforse]

In the same post, even. :laugh::patriot:



My point which obviously didn't come out right. Wat I was trying to say is that not all Muslims are terrorists, there are good Muslims, and I didn't agree with your statement.



BUT


The beauty of our country is you can have your opinion and I can have mine. We can debate them in this public forum peacefully and respectfully.

[ECKSJAY]

They're not idiots because they disagree with me. They're idiots for believing in god.

That's funny. We agree. :D

[muduck18]

They're not idiots because they disagree with me. They're idiots for believing in god.

You realize that you are essentially saying that the majority of people for the past 2000 years are idiots. And if by chance you are wrong in your supposition you have damned yourself to hell…

I dare ask... what do you believe in?
Aside from the pretentious concept that you are somehow able to determine your fate by choosing not to believe in something.

[fscrig75]

You realize that you are essentially saying that the majority of people for the past 2000 years are idiots. And if by chance you are wrong in your supposition you have damned yourself to hell…

I'm an atheist, but I don't believe that those of you who choose to believe in which ever God you worship are idiots. People believe what they want to make themselves comfortable with what they don't understand.
Where we came from, where you go when you die, aliens etc...

Were Christians crazy back in the day? Yes

Are Muslims crazy in todays world? Yes, if you don't think so just check out the news reports about the bombing in Yeman today.

IMO thats the biggest problem, Christians, for the most part, have given up that pyscho logic of bombings and what not, while the Muslims continue to blow things up. They seem incapable of accepting other people, even though their Gods are pretty much the same person.

Get over it move on.

As for Obama, he is Christian. Did he attend a Muslim school? Yes, but it was for like 3-4 years and he was 7 years old at the time. So as much as I would like to believe that he is some super sleeper agent for the Muslim extremists, the fact is he isn't.

[kujito]

So you named 3 fanatical so called "Christian" extremists, targeting one or two people...
The bomb that Evans built was 2 pounds of nails with explosive powder and a propane tank. Estimated 100 foot blast/casualty radius.
Those are just a few examples, there are more.
I'm not justifying any of it, just answering Darky's questions. Muslims are the terrorist flavor du jour, but not alone in their tactics by any stretch of imagination.

[Rod Knee]

Well, back to ther original question, I think if you look at the context of Obama's statement, he was apparently refering to his *proported* Musim faith, or at least he could very well have been. I only watched it once because I don't really care what his religion is. I'm more put off by that racist church he belonged to for 20 years. I'm even more concerned about potentially having a VP who thinks we went into Iraq on a mission from God. So things kinda balance out for me.

If you want something substantive to chew on, that would be Obama's reluctance at developing America's energy resources or, did I mention it, having a VP that invokes God in justifying questions of war and peace.

[muduck18]

did I mention it, having a VP that invokes God in justifying questions of war and peace.

Why does God bother you so much?

[JNickel101]

The bomb that Evans built was 2 pounds of nails with explosive powder and a propane tank. Estimated 100 foot blast/casualty radius.
Those are just a few examples, there are more.
I'm not justifying any of it, just answering Darky's questions. Muslims are the terrorist flavor du jour, but not alone in their tactics by any stretch of imagination.


And educate me on what worldwide terrorist organization Mr Evans was a member of?

[JNickel101]

Why does God bother you so much?

Why does the lack of one bother you so much? God fearing?

[muduck18]

Why does the lack of one bother you so much?

Because without a god mankind is useless, without purpose or structure.


God fearing?

Please explain, is this a question for me; or are you using the question mark to end a pointless sentance?

[JNickel101]

#1 That's your opinion. I am very useful and I have great purpose and structure to my life, without the need to have a "god" to "serve".

#2 You seem to be a God fearing person. Those people make me laugh.

[muduck18]

#1 That's your opinion. I am very useful and I have great purpose and structure to my life, without the need to have a "god" to "serve".


The structure your life is built around, like it or not, is based on morals. The morals that make up the society that we live in are based on Christian heritage, et. the teachings of Jesus, and the laws of the old testament. Simply living in our society you are protected by the societal acceptance of a god.
In a world without those morals… atheism would be chaos…

If 'God fearing' people make you laugh
Then maybe you don't understand what the term means...

[fscrig75]

Because without a god mankind is useless, without purpose or structure.


How exactly is mankind worthless? I try to live a good life, not always successful, but for the most part a good life.
Yes a lot of the basic rules that people live their life by came from teachings of the bible/koran/tora etc.. But remember those books in the begining were all written by man. Man is greedy and 90% of the time looks out for himself and his friends/family.
Look at L. Ron Hubard, he created some off the wall religion, he's got followers all over the place.

Religion helps you understand what you can't understand. Some people need that some people don't.

No one is going to win this arguement, you believe in God, I don't. I'm not going to change your opinion, and your not going to change my opinion. When we die, either you will be right or I will be right.

[fscrig75]

atheism would be chaos…

Actually that would be Anarchy.

[fscrig75]

So if aliens exist, and they don't look like us, humans. Who then did God create in his image?

[kujito]

And educate me on what worldwide terrorist organization Mr Evans was a member of?
Army of God. That Knight guy is in Australia, so I'd say they have a pretty wide reach.

[JNickel101]

The structure your life is built around, like it or not, is based on morals. The morals that make up the society that we live in are based on Christian heritage, et. the teachings of Jesus, and the laws of the old testament. Simply living in our society you are protected by the societal acceptance of a god.
In a world without those morals… atheism would be chaos…

If 'God fearing' people make you laugh
Then maybe you don't understand what the term means...

I think its funny because people fear the wrath of God. Kinda like a kid fearing being spanked by his parents.

But if you're not doing anything wrong, and if you're being a good person, with no reason to be punished by an otherwise "fair" God, then what do you have to fear.

I don't need to believe in a Jewish Zombie to have good morals and to be a good person - to realize the difference between right and wrong.

So you're saying that prior to ~2000 years ago, the world was in chaos because Christianity had not been invented yet?

:roflmao:

[JNickel101]

Army of God. That Knight guy is in Australia, so I'd say they have a pretty wide reach.


With thousands of members, in nearly every country in the world?

I'm not trying to be a smartass, just never read much on it. Did a quick google search and holy crap, what a bunch of nutjobs. Doesn't appear to be a very large organization, just very fanatical and active.

[Rod Knee]

Why does God bother you so much?

God doesn't much bother me, I don't even know that she exists. What scares me is people that invoke God to sanctify their own wordly agenda.

[kujito]

Yup. Seriously messed up. They've been classified as terrorists by the FBI.
I was never trying to equate them statistically with the Muslims. Just their justifications for the extreme tactics. And to show that "Christians" do blow stuff up as was asked.
Wiki quote
Army of God (AOG) is a right wing pro-life organization that sanctions the use of force to combat abortion in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States). In 2001, at the height of the United States anthrax scare, more than 170 abortion clinics and doctors offices in 14 states received letters containing white powder and the message "You have been exposed to anthrax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthrax). We are going to kill all of you. Army of God, Virginia DARE Chapter."[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God#cite_note-0) HBO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HBO) produced a documentary on the Army Of God entitled Soldiers In The Army Of God.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God#cite_note-1) The anthrax incidents have resulted in their being mentioned among terrorist organizations at the FBI.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God#cite_note-2)

AOG supports the Second Defensive Action Statement, as produced by the Defenders of the Defenders of Life (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Defenders_of_the_Defenders_of_Life&action=edit&redlink=1), which reads:[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God#cite_note-3)

We the undersigned, declare the justice of taking all Godly action necessary, including the use of force, to defend innocent human life (born and unborn). We proclaim that whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child.
We declare and affirm that if in fact Paul Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Jennings_Hill) did kill or wound abortionist John Britton, and accomplices James Barrett and Mrs. Barrett, his actions are morally justified if they were necessary for the purpose of defending innocent human life. Under these conditions, Paul Hill should be acquitted of all charges against him.
Hill was head of a precursor organization called Defensive Action (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Defensive_Action&action=edit&redlink=1), which issued signed statements to members of Congress in the early 1990s expressing similar sentiments about "killing the killers". In 2000, The Army of God has promoted an annual White Rose Banquet in Washington D.C. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_D.C.) from 1991 through at least 2003, for supporters of the Defensive Action Statement.[ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God#cite_note-4)

[ECKSJAY]

I think its funny because people fear the wrath of God. Kinda like a kid fearing being spanked by his parents.

But if you're not doing anything wrong, and if you're being a good person, with no reason to be punished by an otherwise "fair" God, then what do you have to fear.

I don't need to believe in a Jewish Zombie to have good morals and to be a good person - to realize the difference between right and wrong.

So you're saying that prior to ~2000 years ago, the world was in chaos because Christianity had not been invented yet?

:roflmao:

:clap:

Nun: You don't believe in God because of Alice in Wonderland?

Loki: No, "Through the Looking Glass". That poem, "The Walrus and the Carpenter" that's an indictment of organized religion. The walrus, with his girth and his good nature, he obviously represents either Buddha, or... or with his tusk, the Hindu elephant god, Lord Ganesha. That takes care of your Eastern religions. Now the carpenter, which is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ, who was raised a carpenter's son, he represents the Western religions. Now in the poem, what do they do... what do they do? They... They dupe all these oysters into following them and then proceed to shuck and devour the helpless creatures en masse. I don't know what that says to you, but to me it says that following these faiths based on mythological figures ensure the destruction of one's inner-being. Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions... by inhibiting our decisions, out of... out of fear of some... some intangible parent figure who... who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says... and says, "Do it - Do it and I'll fawkin' spank you. "

[Darky]

I think its funny because people fear the wrath of God. Kinda like a kid fearing being spanked by his parents.

But if you're not doing anything wrong, and if you're being a good person, with no reason to be punished by an otherwise "fair" God, then what do you have to fear.

I don't need to believe in a Jewish Zombie to have good morals and to be a good person - to realize the difference between right and wrong.

So you're saying that prior to ~2000 years ago, the world was in chaos because Christianity had not been invented yet?

:roflmao:
As much as I like discussing religious views and whatnot (I actually like to hear where others are coming from, rather than just assuming someone to be beneath me because of a difference in beliefs), I think I'll make a final statement and then leave it be in this one. Unless someone puts forth a truly interesting argument and/or truly has a question.

Christianity is not a religion where you go to church get called a sinner and then go home and sit in the corner scared that God's going to zap you because you're a sinner. If you only obey His word out of fear, that's not what God is looking for. In fact, generally the word for fear in the original texts when referring to "fearing God" isn't about fright, it's about reverence. Being a Christian means coming to acknowledge and accept that we can't live up to His standards and as such can't know Him. However, Jesus was sent to bridge the gap and pay our debt. Outside of Jesus there is no way for us to be pleasing to God.
As far as not doing anything wrong, have you ever looked at a hot chick and thought of the things you'd like to do to her? Ever looked at someone's XJ on here and said, Damn, wish that was mine? Ever cuss, take the Lord's name in vain, etc? Then you've sinned. Doesn't make you better or worse than anyone, we're all at the same level. Some, unfortunately make it easy for people to call Christians stuck up, but then non-believers can do the same. Look at Phil and Norcal's opinion of those who believe in God. Do I think it would be cool if we all believed in Him? Absolutely, but we don't. And that's fine by me. We all make up our minds based on our experience, and if you believe different from me, ok. For your sake, I hope I'm wrong. But you'll never convince me of that in this life, just like I'll not convince any of you. So, seriously, let's leave the name calling out of this. Or at least, have a good reason. For example, norcal420 strikes me as an idiot simply because his mind is so closed and small that he can't accept the idea of others believing differently than him and needs to resort to calling you an idiot. See how that works? :D

Oh yeah, and prior to Christianity was Judaism, which Christianity is essentially the fulfillment of their prophecy for a Messiah. That literally is the same God. Just the Jews don't believe Messiah has come whereas Christians believe Jesus to be the Messiah.

[muduck18]

As much as I like discussing religious views and whatnot (I actually like to hear where others are coming from, rather than just assuming someone to be beneath me because of a difference in beliefs)

x2

[Tom R.]

Very well said, Darky!

I would suggest one thing to anyone discussing specific doctrines: learn something about them first. I don't mind a friendly and spirited (pun) debate, but it's impossible if you don't have even a rudimentary understanding of the subject.

[norcal420]

That's funny. We agree. :D

inconceivable! ;)

[norcal420]

The structure your life is built around, like it or not, is based on morals. The morals that make up the society that we live in are based on Christian heritage, et. the teachings of Jesus, and the laws of the old testament.

LOL xeleventybillion

what about the myriad of other societies which were not based on christian heritage? are you actually claiming their immorality by default?

[BPB]

Lets set our beliefs aside and get back to hating obama, osama, whatever you want to call him.!!!!!

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/bholland85/l_58ccc92de6b570627ebda4936819e211.jpg


On another note, Obama's religouse background may hamper our finding terrorist. I guarantee that he is against profiling, in this war against terrorism, it is a must, it sucks, but it is.

[red91]

Just the Jews don't believe Messiah has come whereas Christians believe Jesus to be the Messiah.


This is the equivalent of saying since the majority of our prison population is black they must all be a problem.

Blanket statements about religion don't work. MANY MANY Jews of that era recognized him for who he was through prophecy.


Even this jew knows that... and I'm not the only one.

[muduck18]

i'm essentially saying people are idiots. ESPECIALLY those that believe in jesus christ as lord and savior, or 72 virgins upon suicide bombings or separating your milk and meat.

and your hell doesn't scare me one bit. your god is weak. he's got nothing on me.


i certainly don't believe in fate. i believe in the soul, the c o c k, the p u s s y, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

People believe what they want to make themselves comfortable with what they don't understand.

Some people use religion to explain things they don't understand.
others get defensive and call people names.

what about the myriad of other societies which were not based on christian heritage? are you actually claiming their immorality by default?

That was an example of how people can justify the belief that a god does not exist, because said god has molded the society into morality rather than the people into morality.
If one person in 1000 is an atheist, and 999 are Christians and they are all living on a democratic/republic island. The atheist would not have any choice but to live with the laws and 'morals' of the 999. because the majority of that society has setup laws and has imposed these laws on anyone who wishes to live in society.

As far as the "myriad" of other societies... Most societies not based on the Christian heritage recognize deity(ies) of some sort, sun gods, earth gods, rain god... etc. there is many times an understanding that the people of earth are insignificant in perspective to the world and universe, not in all cases... but a society void of Christian heritage does not make it void of God.

As this is not a religion thread, I am sorry I opened this can of worms... It seems that I am able to deal with a leader that does not believe in a God easier than it is for a person who doesn't believe in a God to respect the belief and the ability to act based on said beliefs while still in looking out for the best interest of the country.
I Think that disregarding her because of her belief in God is a mistake.

What scares me is people that invoke God to sanctify their own wordly agenda.
I agree with that statement, that there is a fine line between doing what is right because one believes that is what God wants, and doing what someone wants and using Gods name to further thier purpose...

[JNickel101]

As much as I like discussing religious views and whatnot (I actually like to hear where others are coming from, rather than just assuming someone to be beneath me because of a difference in beliefs), I think I'll make a final statement and then leave it be in this one. Unless someone puts forth a truly interesting argument and/or truly has a question.

Christianity is not a religion where you go to church get called a sinner and then go home and sit in the corner scared that God's going to zap you because you're a sinner. If you only obey His word out of fear, that's not what God is looking for. In fact, generally the word for fear in the original texts when referring to "fearing God" isn't about fright, it's about reverence. Being a Christian means coming to acknowledge and accept that we can't live up to His standards and as such can't know Him. However, Jesus was sent to bridge the gap and pay our debt. Outside of Jesus there is no way for us to be pleasing to God.
As far as not doing anything wrong, have you ever looked at a hot chick and thought of the things you'd like to do to her? Ever looked at someone's XJ on here and said, Damn, wish that was mine? Ever cuss, take the Lord's name in vain, etc? Then you've sinned. Doesn't make you better or worse than anyone, we're all at the same level. Some, unfortunately make it easy for people to call Christians stuck up, but then non-believers can do the same. Look at Phil and Norcal's opinion of those who believe in God. Do I think it would be cool if we all believed in Him? Absolutely, but we don't. And that's fine by me. We all make up our minds based on our experience, and if you believe different from me, ok. For your sake, I hope I'm wrong. But you'll never convince me of that in this life, just like I'll not convince any of you. So, seriously, let's leave the name calling out of this. Or at least, have a good reason. For example, norcal420 strikes me as an idiot simply because his mind is so closed and small that he can't accept the idea of others believing differently than him and needs to resort to calling you an idiot. See how that works? :D

Oh yeah, and prior to Christianity was Judaism, which Christianity is essentially the fulfillment of their prophecy for a Messiah. That literally is the same God. Just the Jews don't believe Messiah has come whereas Christians believe Jesus to be the Messiah.


I know that Judaism preceeded Christianity - but SOMEONE made a blanket statement saying that CHRISTIANITY (not organized religion as a whole) is responisble for MY moral behavior. That's the only thing I take issue with.

I dont think anyone is an idiot for their religious beliefs (well, except the fanatical, crazy, extremist types - but I think that is mental illness, not religion talking). I just personally don't need that type of validation to live my life every day and be a good person. I do find humor in religion though, and sometimes it baffles me the way some people think...

Oh and Dogma is a fantastic movie....

[norcal420]

For example, norcal420 strikes me as an idiot simply because his mind is so closed and small that he can't accept the idea of others believing differently than him and needs to resort to calling you an idiot. See how that works? :D


kudos on missing the point. twice. :rotflmao:

[GSequoia]

Even this jew knows that... and I'm not the only one.

Jews for Jesus?


By the way Scott, I call bullshit here. If you were around then and in that 'hood you'd have been following Brian, not Jesus.

[GSequoia]

Norcal,

Knock off the name calling and religious baiting. It is not acceptable to say that somebody is an idiot because they don't have the same beliefs you do.


This is coming as a moderator of the forum.

Thank you ,
G. Sequoia Armstrong

[norcal420]

Official moderator message noted, but you too miss the point.

I am not calling people idiots because they disagree. They are idiots for believing in fairy tales. That is an easily defensible position.

Norcal,

Knock off the name calling and religious baiting. It is not acceptable to say that somebody is an idiot because they don't have the same beliefs you do.


This is coming as a moderator of the forum.

Thank you ,
G. Sequoia Armstrong

[ECKSJAY]

Official moderator message noted, but you too miss the point.

I am not calling people idiots because they disagree. They are idiots for believing in fairy tales. That is an easily defensible position.

Maybe let them live happily ever after then. :D:D:D

[Darky]

This is the equivalent of saying since the majority of our prison population is black they must all be a problem.

Blanket statements about religion don't work. MANY MANY Jews of that era recognized him for who he was through prophecy.


Even this jew knows that... and I'm not the only one.
Yeah, and there's Jews today who believe Jesus to be the prophesied Messiah, IIRC, they are the Messianic Jews. But the Jewish religion as a whole did not buy into Jesus as the prophesied king of the Jews. But you know that. ;)

[Darky]

I know that Judaism preceeded Christianity - but SOMEONE made a blanket statement saying that CHRISTIANITY (not organized religion as a whole) is responisble for MY moral behavior. That's the only thing I take issue with.

I dont think anyone is an idiot for their religious beliefs (well, except the fanatical, crazy, extremist types - but I think that is mental illness, not religion talking). I just personally don't need that type of validation to live my life every day and be a good person. I do find humor in religion though, and sometimes it baffles me the way some people think...

Oh and Dogma is a fantastic movie....
See, I gots no problem with that. :D
Norcal, I have no problem that you don't believe in religion, but many people do. If you can't help but insult people for their belief in what you believe to be a fairy tale, then don't say anything bout it. I tend to stay out of evolution discussions for that reason. To me, it's foolishness, and every bit as much a leap of faith as any religion, yet so many claim it as fact. To each their own, I guess.

EDIT: Oh, yeah, and Nickel, I thought Dogma was hilarious too. Blasphemous though it may have been...:D:D

[fscrig75]

Official moderator message noted, but you too miss the point.

I am not calling people idiots because they disagree. They are idiots for believing in fairy tales. That is an easily defensible position.

I have the same opinion you do about religion, but I have no issue or think people are idiots for having faith in what they believe.
You can't prove 100% that their God does not exist, and they can not prove 100% that their God does exist.
People like yourself are the main reasons that most people can not stand atheists.
You call people idiots for believing in some form of God, your also probably the type that gets pissed that a church puts up a nativity display at christmas, hell you probably get pissed its called christmas, or that God is in our national anthem, and the pledge.
The history of our nation is wrapped in religion. It is how it is and its never going to change, and it should NEVER change.
I'll bet you get pissed off when people say that your going to Hell because you don't believe in their God. So how exactly do you think they feel when you tell them they are idiots for believing in their God.
If someone says something to you for being an atheist by all means tear them a new one, but don't lump everyone into the same boat.

[JNickel101]

EDIT: Oh, yeah, and Nickel, I thought Dogma was hilarious too. Blasphemous though it may have been...:D:D

Only to Catholics :D

[norcal420]

Norcal, I have no problem that you don't believe in religion, but many people do. If you can't help but insult people for their belief in what you believe to be a fairy tale, then don't say anything bout it. I tend to stay out of evolution discussions for that reason. To me, it's foolishness, and every bit as much a leap of faith as any religion, yet so many claim it as fact. To each their own, I guess.


I'm hesitant to respond because of the mod warning, so I'll be brief. This was a religious OT discussion, the whole point is to post your thoughts/opinons and add to the discussion. People didn't like me tone - fine. However I am free to add my insight as I see fit just as you choose to avoid certain topics.

[norcal420]

I have the same opinion you do about religion, but I have no issue or think people are idiots for having faith in what they believe.

So you don't have the same opinion.

You can't prove 100% that their God does not exist, and they can not prove 100% that their God does exist.

With proper terms, we can prove a god, any god, doesn't exist or is unworthy of deification.

The rest of your post is ..... well.... let's just say sorta, kinda, not really on par. :looney:

[GSequoia]

Saying "I don't believe in (your/any) god" is fine, in fact I agree with you. Saying everybody who does is a fawking moron is not aceptable and never will be.

I'm a cry leniant moderator, please do not test my patience.

[msrorysddad]

hey Darky what's up? I believe that people who do not believe in a God are truly strong. To put your faith in a from goo to you type of evolutionary wonder have a stronger faith than either Jews Muslims, or Christians. To put your faith in a religion that dates back to before we as humans could write well or wipe with paper, or a religion that branches from it, Muslims first with Ishmael, then with Christianity with Isaac, both from Abraham, as it is told. Takes very little true faith, to see lineage believed to be true by three separate religions, fought over and argued about for ages now is relatively easy for the simple minded. To on the other hand take pieces of skullcap, and shards of bone and make up a story about how mankind evolved from the primordial ooze takes true faith. To stand before a group and proclaim them all idiots for a simple belief takes true faith. I for one feel to be named an idiot by such wise and learned individuals to be a true honor. For them to believe that such simple minded individuals even deserve so much as to be chastised for their "fairy tale beliefs" shows me, that I too can strive to become so intelligent as to pass judgement over others for their ignorance, to become so rude as to believe that my beliefs are correct and all others are merely deluded fools whom some day may reach a higher level of mental awareness as I. Now that gives me pause sir Darky, now that gives me pause, my brother. Love ya'll

[msrorysddad]

oh back to the subject, Biden's got a way worse case of foot in mouth disease. I do not believe Obama to be a Muslim, just one of those whom uses religion to gain something, you see how quickly he dumped the "reverend Wright". By the way to scream about how horrid America is "God damn America" and to own the vehicles, home, and other worldly goods is a grand example of using religion for self enrichment. Back to the subject, I'm gonna vote for the gun totin chick and the Geezer. I actually vote for Allan Keyes, I'm such a backwoods redneck. :doh:

[JNickel101]

hey Darky what's up? I believe that people who do not believe in a God are truly strong. To put your faith in a from goo to you type of evolutionary wonder have a stronger faith than either Jews Muslims, or Christians. To put your faith in a religion that dates back to before we as humans could write well or wipe with paper, or a religion that branches from it, Muslims first with Ishmael, then with Christianity with Isaac, both from Abraham, as it is told. Takes very little true faith, to see lineage believed to be true by three separate religions, fought over and argued about for ages now is relatively easy for the simple minded. To on the other hand take pieces of skullcap, and shards of bone and make up a story about how mankind evolved from the primordial ooze takes true faith. To stand before a group and proclaim them all idiots for a simple belief takes true faith. I for one feel to be named an idiot by such wise and learned individuals to be a true honor. For them to believe that such simple minded individuals even deserve so much as to be chastised for their "fairy tale beliefs" shows me, that I too can strive to become so intelligent as to pass judgement over others for their ignorance, to become so rude as to believe that my beliefs are correct and all others are merely deluded fools whom some day may reach a higher level of mental awareness as I. Now that gives me pause sir Darky, now that gives me pause, my brother. Love ya'll

My head hurts from attempting to read this....

[red91]

Jews for Jesus?


By the way Scott, I call bullshit here. If you were around then and in that 'hood you'd have been following Brian, not Jesus.


Brian was god...someone made a mistake.


And what the hell does all this religion crap have to do with an election anyhow?

I WANT MY TOASTER !!!!

[muduck18]

Brian was god...someone made a mistake.


And what the hell does all this religion crap have to do with an election anyhow?

I WANT MY TOASTER !!!!

ok, I am looking to capitalize on this one... You need a toaster... we will give you a toaster. its our breakfast stimulus plan...
We can call it a stimulus pre-tax return.
its simple really. just fill out a 1040ez if you are taking standard deductions.
a 1040w if you are self employed.
and a standard 1040 if you drink water.
Attach a NT1102 (Thats a 'New Toaster' 110v 2 slot)
make sure you fill in section c to select what color you want.
Mail it before midnight on April 16th (although I might suggest 5pm because the PO actually closes at 5 but no one is there after 4:20)
And then we will be sending toasters out according to the last four digits of you SSN.

And we will give you plenty of notice so that bread companies can get their advertisement ready to fill your toaster with as much bread as it can hold as soon as, or before you get your toaster.:twak:

[msrorysddad]

Hey guys. I can't handle it. I'm disenfranchised. I cannot afford bread. So the toaster leaves me with very little recourse other than to riot in the streets. I will be holding my own private riot in the street Thursday the twenty fifth. I will be holding free bread for the people signs, and will have plenty of hippies to back me up.

[ECKSJAY]

Hey guys. I can't handle it. I'm disenfranchised. I cannot afford bread. So the toaster leaves me with very little recourse other than to riot in the streets. I will be holding my own private riot in the street Thursday the twenty fifth. I will be holding free bread for the people signs, and will have plenty of hippies to back me up.

Get off your lazy ass and grow your own wheat. Use your mill to grind your own flour. ;)

[JNickel101]

I tried building my own mill, hippy environmentalists protested and filed injunctions with the court that forced me to stop. Then one of them laid down in front of my backhoe and...long story short, I'm being sued for his injuries even though he was trespassing on my property.

Thanks to the donkey party....

[ECKSJAY]

I tried building my own mill, hippy environmentalists protested and filed injunctions with the court that forced me to stop. Then one of them laid down in front of my backhoe and...long story short, I'm being sued for his injuries even though he was trespassing on my property.

Thanks to the donkey party....

You did it all wrong. You left witnesses. :)

[JNickel101]

You did it all wrong. You left witnesses. :)

LOL...well, I'm still looking for some "real" friends who live close by - ya know, to help me hide the bodies....

[kujito]

I'm not close by, but I got a guy in Cruces who could help you out. He's discreet and knows the lay o the land real good.:shhh::skull1::shhh:

[JNickel101]

awesome....

[msrorysddad]

I wanna grow my own wheat, and grain, use my still to make fuel to power my xj as I eat red meat (from only innocent lookin cows) on the way to J's to bury some Hippies. Oh, and to play in Taos in the mountains.

[JNickel101]

Ah, the American Dream.....

[ECKSJAY]

I wanna grow my own wheat, and grain, use my still to make fuel to power my xj as I eat red meat (from only innocent lookin cows) on the way to J's to bury some Hippies. Oh, and to play in Taos in the mountains.


Get your grain mill now before you can't find them. ;)

[muduck18]

Grain Mills cause polution... Um we are going to out law them...
and FYI the use of home made still's are known by the state of california to cause Drunken Children Syndrome in young adults.

[msrorysddad]

we have just totally lost the topic of this thread in our silly rants. So I propose someone dig up the dirt on Obama's illegal use of a whiskey still. The Freudian slip he makes when drunk, while working on a law to outlaw mills, and grain, unless owned by the members of the elite wealthy class that he seems so willing to embrace, and whom so willingly embrace him. Power to the wealthy!!

[ECKSJAY]

Grain Mills cause polution... Um we are going to out law them...


Gobs of pollution there, genius. :looser:

http://www.italianhomecooking.com/images/wheatgrainmill.jpg

[JNickel101]

Yeah, I was sure scratching my head at that one too.....

[ECKSJAY]

Yeah, I was sure scratching my head at that one too.....

I know what HE meant...but he didn't know what I meant. :shhh:

[kujito]

I'm way too lazy to use that thing. I was thinking about jacking up the heep and mounting a rim with no tire. Connect a belt from the rim to a pully on the mill. Let the idling heep to all the work.

[muduck18]

Grain Mills cause polution... Um we are going to out law them...
and FYI the use of home made still's are known by the state of california to cause Drunken Children Syndrome in young adults.

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(it was meant to be a humorous use of sarcasm)

[ECKSJAY]

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Sarcasm is stating the opposite of an intended meaning especially in order to sneeringly, slyly, jest or mock a person, situation or thing. It is strongly associated with irony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony), with some definitions classifying it as a type of verbal irony intended to insult or wound. Sarcasm can also be used in a humorous or jesting way depending on the intent of the person speaking.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm#cite_note-0)[2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm#cite_note-1)

(it was meant to be a humorous use of sarcasm)



back·ped·al (bkpdl)
intr.v. back·ped·aled or back·ped·alled, back·ped·al·ing or back·ped·al·ling, back·ped·als
1. To move the pedals of a bicycle or similar vehicle backward, especially to apply a brake.
2. To move backward by taking short quick steps, as in boxing or football.
3. To retreat or withdraw from a position or attitude: The senator later backpedaled on the issue.

:looser:

[muduck18]

I'm way too lazy to use that thing. I was thinking about jacking up the heep and mounting a rim with no tire. Connect a belt from the rim to a pully on the mill. Let the idling heep to all the work.

I wish I was lying when I say... We did that with a lawn mower and a tomato juicer for my mom... she had my dad and I making tomato juice and it was taking too much work.. so a pulley, jack, large belt and the lawn mower fixed it....
wow, I am an actual redneck now that I think about it.

[kujito]

Did it work? If so, what's the problem, aside from the redneck part?

[BPB]

back to obama.......

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/bholland85/salute.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/bholland85/obama_osama.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/bholland85/Barack-Obama-Bling-Bling--25322.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/bholland85/OsamaObama.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/bholland85/obama6-full.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/bholland85/l_e6210a998d8c1ed95e330033e66f0574.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/bholland85/l_ee73826d3baeabe5747b29dee3a2aaf6.jpg

[muduck18]

Did it work? If so, what's the problem, aside from the redneck part?
It worked like a charm. and eventually led to letting my mom do it her self... So it did more than we really expected...

[Darky]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/bholland85/l_e6210a998d8c1ed95e330033e66f0574.jpg

That one goes a bit too far...the rest, while stupid and out there were still funny...:)

[red91]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/bholland85/l_e6210a998d8c1ed95e330033e66f0574.jpg

That one goes a bit too far...the rest, while stupid and out there were still funny...:)


Agreed. Curious George has more experience in his community if you watch the cartoons, or read the books.

[Darky]

Agreed. Curious George has more experience in his community if you watch the cartoons, or read the books.
Damn right. That and he's always looking for the better way to do something, that's why he's so curious.