$300K charger

[87manche]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-1970-Dodge-Charger-Special-Edition-Hemi-One-Owner_W0QQitemZ200022858404QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6199 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

crazy.

[jeepinxj01]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Charger-1970-Dodge-Charger-Special-Edition-Hemi-One-Owner_W0QQitemZ200022858404QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6199 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

crazy.


Holy expensive car batman.

[scoobyxj]

Definitly in good shape, but not worth 300k. Maybe it was a typeo.

[Ramsey]

He looks kinda nutty and says its only 1 of 8, I doubt its a typo. Just way overpriced.

[RCman]

That's just nuts... yet a very sweet car.

[mrrbby]

I like it, but no way I would pay that much, even if I had the money. Probably a bargain...seen what a 1971 Hemi 'Cuda convertible goes for now?:shocked: How about a rust bucket winged car? It sucks if you are trying to buy one, but it's nice if you are trying to unload yours.

[87manche]

well I'd have to see the proff that it was one of 8.

[shortxjdoug]

thats a big hemi............

[IXNAYXJ]

well I'd have to see the proff that it was one of 8.The fender tag does say that it's a Hemi car, and the car is VERY stangely equipped, so it's not impossible that there were only 8. I'd insist on seeing some Galen Govier certification, however, before forking over $300,000. The price seems at least twice what it should be for this basically uninspiring car. The fact that it's unrestored is a double-edged sword, too.

The "E74" in the bottom left shows it as an original Hemi car. Whether that's authentic is another question, though. The "EF8" shows it to be "Ivy Green Metallic," so that's right too. Could be a real survivor.

http://i7.ebayimg.com/03/i/08/37/3a/7e_12.JPG



-----Matt-----

[TheWarWagon]

The "E74" in the bottom left shows it as an original Hemi car. Whether that's authentic is another question, though.


The mounting screw on the right looks a little suspect. It's a fair bit cleaner than the other screw, or the entire tag.....

[YELLAHEEP]

The fender tag does say that it's a Hemi car, and the car is VERY stangely equipped, so it's not impossible that there were only 8. I'd insist on seeing some Galen Govier certification, however, before forking over $300,000. The price seems at least twice what it should be for this basically uninspiring car. The fact that it's unrestored is a double-edged sword, too.

The "E74" in the bottom left shows it as an original Hemi car. Whether that's authentic is another question, though. The "EF8" shows it to be "Ivy Green Metallic," so that's right too. Could be a real survivor.

http://i7.ebayimg.com/03/i/08/37/3a/7e_12.JPG



-----Matt-----

Certainly something to watch. But I doubt there's someone waiting until the last minute to throw that $300K bid.

Looking at the listing and how brief it is, makes me think that maybe someone knew about this car and when he couldn't afford to buy it (maybe the old coot has kept up on his Mopar values) he offered to "broker" it and take a commission.

I'm also curious about the philips head screws holding on the ID tag. I thought that by the 70's those were riveted on and the fact that the paint ISN'T on the heads of the screws also has me wondering.....

But the engine does look like it's been in there for all 47K miles and untouched........ gawd awful color of green though..... I'm diggin' the Iacocca-era wire hubcaps too.

He should get it professionally detailed, then consign it with Barrett-Jackson.

[Beej]

I gotta wonder if its in original condition. Where's the racing stripe? Only the base Charger came without the racing stripe and all base Chargers came with the bench front seat. This one's obviously an R/T and so should have the stripe. Also, with only 40000 original miles, it sure is rusty under the hood. They made 10,337 R/T's in 1970, I find it hard to believe there were only eight made in any particular flavour. This baby needs provenance...

[MogifiedXJ]

I don't know I saw a convertible hemi cuda go for somewhere around 5 million I think, but I'm sure it was alot nicer and more documented than this car. Cars with hemis bring alot of money...now $300,000 for that car maybe but I really don't know. It looks rough but Its still worth as much as someone is willing to pay.

[JohnX]

I like it, but no way I would pay that much, even if I had the money. Probably a bargain...seen what a 1971 Hemi 'Cuda convertible goes for now?:shocked: How about a rust bucket winged car? It sucks if you are trying to buy one, but it's nice if you are trying to unload yours.
Been watching Barrett Jackson again?

You know thats fake, right? A freind of mine goes to those on a VERY regular basis...he is a "bidder". He hasn't got any money to his name, but I have seen him bid over a million dollars on a car. B-J Auctions is a TV program, they pay him to sit their and bid on vehicles to jack up the price just because it makes for good ratings. He never actually has to buy the cars he wins. Some of the auctioning is real, but most is just for the show.

Hope I didn't spoil it for you.

[streetpirate]

Certainly something to watch. But I doubt there's someone waiting until the last minute to throw that $300K bid.

Looking at the listing and how brief it is, makes me think that maybe someone knew about this car and when he couldn't afford to buy it (maybe the old coot has kept up on his Mopar values) he offered to "broker" it and take a commission.

I'm also curious about the philips head screws holding on the ID tag. I thought that by the 70's those were riveted on and the fact that the paint ISN'T on the heads of the screws also has me wondering.....

But the engine does look like it's been in there for all 47K miles and untouched........ gawd awful color of green though..... I'm diggin' the Iacocca-era wire hubcaps too.

He should get it professionally detailed, then consign it with Barrett-Jackson.


the method in which the fender tags were attached depended on the assembly plant. some had two rivets and were put on before paint, some had one rivet and were bent up for paint, then bent back down and screwed down(so one screw unpainted), and some had two screws, which WERE usually painted.





why do i know that?

[CanMan]

I think the tag is off another car, possibly not this one. Factory cars from the '60s came with their cowl tags rivited on. At least Chevrolets were, probably most GM cars from that era too. That one has some sheet metal type screws holding it on, easy for removal, or replacement. It is also more cleaner than its surroundings, weather they cleaned it off for the photo or not. Its hard to say what Dodge did back then, but Im lead to believe the tag doesn't go with the car. We'll see.


From my '66 Chevelle.
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n187/12GaugeXJ/100_2492.jpg

From the old mans '67 Camaro.
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n187/12GaugeXJ/100_2504.jpg

[TheWarWagon]

Oh boy oh boy oh boy, I can just TASTE this thing blowing up in his face. It will make the news....

[GSequoia]

Off of my '66 Mustangs tags are riveted on...

Real rivets, not pop rivets.

[badbowtie87]

Ive been into old muscle cars since i was 15 and i have yet to see any vin # plate held on with screws. I have a friend who is a mopar nut and none of his cars or his dads cars have screws on the tag, they are riveted. This old boy is gonna be shit up a creek if he tried to fraud someone on this deal LOL

[IXNAYXJ]

Been watching Barrett Jackson again?

You know thats fake, right? A freind of mine goes to those on a VERY regular basis...he is a "bidder". He hasn't got any money to his name, but I have seen him bid over a million dollars on a car. B-J Auctions is a TV program, they pay him to sit their and bid on vehicles to jack up the price just because it makes for good ratings. He never actually has to buy the cars he wins. Some of the auctioning is real, but most is just for the show.

Hope I didn't spoil it for you.SPOBI!!!

What are you smoking? Do you realize the B-J has been going on for over 30 years? It's only in the last few years that it's been televised. I can ASSURE you that the cars are bought and sold, and if your buddy is the high bidder when the gavel is struck, he's buying the car. To get a bidder's badge, you have to have funds available or financing arranged.

How could he go there "on a VERY regular basis" anyway? There's only a couple per year. Stop talking out of your ass.

I hope I didn't ruin it for you, but your buddy is full of shit.

-----Matt-----

[Beej]

Neighbor's 65 Rambler American has a riveted vin plate...

[IXNAYXJ]

I'm sure this will be mentioned in next month's Sports Car Market. Great magazine, BTW. Covers classic cars and related auctions...great writing. Not nearly as dry as it sounds. :D

-----Matt-----

[JohnX]

SPOBI!!!

What are you smoking? Do you realize the B-J has been going on for over 30 years? It's only in the last few years that it's been televised. I can ASSURE you that the cars are bought and sold, and if your buddy is the high bidder when the gavel is struck, he's buying the car. To get a bidder's badge, you have to have funds available or financing arranged.

How could he go there "on a VERY regular basis" anyway? There's only a couple per year. Stop talking out of your ass.

I hope I didn't ruin it for you, but your buddy is full of shit.

-----Matt-----
Okay what the effin point.

Believe what you want..I'll do the same.

[ECKSJAY]

That was exactly my point...It has only been televised for a couple years. In that time frame alone the "value" of cars has sudenly gone through the roof?

And if you read what I wrote you would see that I did say that cars are bought and sold.

Read between the lines...He works for B-J...he is at EVERY auction (very regular I'd say). They pay him to go and bid up items strictly for TV value. He doesn't have the money...It is his job(call him an actor if you like).

As for my buddy being full of shit...could be....but he really doesn't have any reason to lie to me or try to impress me. I've known him a long time and he just doesn't seem to be that kind of guy.


But then again...WTF do I know?
And if you tell me I'm talkin out my ass...Then I guess its okay to tell you to go XXXX yourself.

This will not end well for you.

[JohnX]

This will not end well for you.
This place used to be fun

[IXNAYXJ]

That was exactly my point...It has only been televised for a couple years. In that time frame alone the "value" of cars has sudenly gone through the roof?

And if you read what I wrote you would see that I did say that cars are bought and sold.

Read between the lines...He works for B-J...he is at EVERY auction (very regular I'd say). They pay him to go and bid up items strictly for TV value. He doesn't have the money...It is his job(call him an actor if you like).

As for my buddy being full of shit...could be....but he really doesn't have any reason to lie to me or try to impress me. I've known him a long time and he just doesn't seem to be that kind of guy.

And if you tell me I'm talkin out my ass...Then I guess its okay to tell you to go XXXX yourself.a) The collector car market is just now starting to rebound from 15 year slump...a slump that existed long before watching auctions on TV was a trend, and started rebounding long before the B-J was televised.

b) What you're talking about is fraud, and is well-documented and regulated in auction circles.

c) Why would Craig Jackson pay somebody to commit fraud on national TV when there are so many REAL people who bid the cars up to stupid prices all on their own? I do agree on one point: The values at B-J are a bubble...you'd be hard pressed to get the same money from the same cars at another venue...but even that's changing. And it's not due to your mysterious buddy who bids up cars on the behalf of Barrett-Jackson, that I promise you.

d) Which auction were you at while you watched him have the winning bid on million dollar cars? You realize that they have that on film, the transactions are traced by a bunch of indepentent sources (you know, to help determine future values based on previous sales...i.e. comps) and carefully scrutinized, right?

e) Take your foul language to the den...where you are about to be nominated for a special award. :D

But then again...WTF do I know?

Not much, apparently.

-----Matt-----

[XJ_ranger]

This place used to be fun
heather will change it for you





straight to the garbage can...


if anyone reposrts the post...

[IXNAYXJ]

straight to the den...:D

-----Matt-----

[JohnX]

heather will change it for you





straight to the garbage can...


if anyone reposrts the post...
too late

[mrrbby]

Ive been into old muscle cars since i was 15 and i have yet to see any vin # plate held on with screws. I have a friend who is a mopar nut and none of his cars or his dads cars have screws on the tag, they are riveted. This old boy is gonna be shit up a creek if he tried to fraud someone on this deal LOL

Vin # plates on Mopars (of that vintage) were riveted on with special rivets. Data plates, like the one pictured were attached with screws, usually painted. My 1971 slant six duster's data plate was attached like that. My vin # was riveted. My friend's family had several mopars sitting around, and the data plates on all of them were attached with painted screws, and the vin #' tag was riveted. Still, that data plate does look suspicious. Didn't see any pictures of the Vin # tag.

[XJ_ranger]

:D

-----Matt-----

no - no one moves threads...


they just get deleted...

[OT]

I move lots of threads.
Sometimes to the Den.


ps. Take it easy John.
Prove him wrong or move on.
I'm sure the bedrest has calmed you down.:thumbup:

[JohnX]

I move lots of threads.
Sometimes to the Den.


ps. Take it easy John.
Prove him wrong or move on.
I'm sure the bedrest has calmed you down.:thumbup:
Yep...were cool. He was right. I was wrong. Just having a bad day and realizing my friend was screwing with me and I didn't even think for a minute that he might be making it up. I get the dunce cap for that one. I had a chat with him today...He has been to B-J...once. Fawking liar.

[Beej]

Wait til he's almost passed out drunk and tap him on the nutsack...

:D

[GSequoia]

Wait til he's almost passed out drunk and tap him on the nutsack...

:D

Don't forget to slap his ass when you're done!

Just like all those baseball nancies.

[Ramsey]

Yep...were cool. He was right. I was wrong. Just having a bad day and realizing my friend was screwing with me and I didn't even think for a minute that he might be making it up. I get the dunce cap for that one. I had a chat with him today...He has been to B-J...once. Fawking liar.
:dunce:

at least you can admit it, now go kick his(your friend) ass

[sublime600]

how about a $69,000 charger limo :laugh3:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-5-7L-V8-HEMI-AUTO-LIMO-LEATHER-YELLOW-LIMOUSINE-DVD_W0QQitemZ290027894857QQihZ019QQcategoryZ6199QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[87manche]

sweet, they left the wing on it.